Draft. If you are reading this on an archive site, be sure to check the original URL for updates, corrections, retractions, etc.LENR Forum trolling of Zeus46, joined by Alan Smith. I’m amazed at the research Zeus46 has obviously done, he must think I’m worth all that effort. I’m adding the More link before going on because the only importance that I see here, other than bringing up nostalgia for me, is how LENR fora attract really unpleasant people whom I have very little interest in ever meeting, and especially some moderators. However, there are others I’d love to spend time with. And some I have been blessed to meet in real life.
So Zeus46 wrote:
After I wrote a previous post, the notorious LENR outlaw, and self-proclaimed ‘King of the Trolls’ Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote two pompous articles where he felt the need to describe me as a “Troll” over 30 times.
Zeus 46 lies. His links don’t support what he claims. As an example, Zeus 46 called me the King of the Trolls, it was not “self-proclaimed.” The post he links under “self-proclaimed” was simply a list of those banned on LENR Forum, as of the date of compilation. “Troll” was not mentioned in it. As to the “30 times,” really it was one time, because that post is Blatant trolling continues to be allowed on lenr-forum and it has, at the beginning:
A couple of days ago I noticed a post from Zeus46, the second one below from a search of his Contributions since January 18. To be clear, this is all posts by Zeus46 from that period. These are not cherry-picked from a larger set. Conclusion (substantiated below): Lenr-forum moderation is tolerating trolling from some, including a moderator, and not from others. Here, the last six contributions of Zeus46 were trolling.
In fact, the post only contains the sequence “troll” 25 times, plus once in the title, and, since the definition of trolling was given (many usages) and Zeus46 was quoted (“King of the Trolls”), and the theme was evidence of trolling, mostly by Zeus46, what we are seeing is Zeus46 creating a false impression implying something reprehensible, attempting to provoke an angry response. Instead, I simply call trolls, trolls, when it becomes clear, as it has, and it’s totally obvious.
Well, praise from Caesar is praise indeed, but I respectfully decline this proffered “knighthood” as I am ultimately not worthy of place in his kingdom. Whilst we are somewhat similar in that we enjoy commenting on the foibles of others, I manage to do this without using offensive terms about peoples mental faculties, such as “idiot”, or “senile”.
Zeus46 is treating what I wrote as if it were an attempt to win an argument, a deliberate insult. It is not my wish to belabor that point, which is why I have not included the link on “senile,” and pointing to allegedly uncivil comment is, in fact, itself uncivil. In fact, I’ve known the fellow in question for years, and many of his old friends simply have stopped talking to him. I’d prefer, greatly, to see him restored to high function, which I think possible, under one condition: he’ll need to start listening to the many voices that have attempted to help him. There is more than one LENR figure facing advanced age and some decline of function. Me, as well. I am close to that man in age, and I can see decline of function in myself. It’s time to accept reality, my opinion. That does not mean “shut up, dry up, and blow away,” but it does mean developing some caution.
I notice that Zeus46 does not actually quote me in that “senile” matter, I assume because it wouldn’t look so offensive.
Indeed, my relative lack of trolling prestige can actually be quantified:
Number of websites and/or shady cults Zeus46 is known to be banned from: 0
Number of websites and/or shady cults Lomax is known to be banned from: 4*
That Zeus46 is not banned anywhere is unverifiable, and notice that Zeus46 does whatever he can — he goes to an extraordinary length — to inflate my “number.” He is comparing an open life, I’ve been active on-line since the mid 1980s, using real names, and engaging in controversial topics, for even longer, whereas WTF is “Zeus46”?
Zeus46’s asterisk refers to this:
* Some may consider a ban from a shady “cult” (sic) for trying to usurp the leader by “teaching without knowledge” as an early example of innate Napoleonic tendencies. I however, prefer not to draw a firm conclusion from this.
Far out. Rescued from the Internet Archive. Something I wrote long ago in a different context, was then used without my knowledge or permission by others to support an idea of the Murabitun as a “shady cult.” I found it, it’s here. Soc.religion.islam, where I was a moderator. Theoretically, I still am, if I’m correct. 1/30/97 was the posting date, more than twenty years ago.
While I did call it a cult, that was a technical term. I was never banned, I was told, “you must leave,” (and at that time the “Murabitun” did not exist as what arose later) and chose to follow the request; and later it was clear that I wasn’t “banned,” and that is explained in the story. “Teaching without knowledge” simply does not mean what Zeus46 thinks. There was no attempt to take the leader’s place, at all, I wouldn’t have dreamed of it. To be honest, I don’t know what Abd ul-Qadr meant when he said what I reported. (I have various theories, “teaching without knowledge” could describe my condition then, in more than one way.)
I was treated with kindness, and look back at what happened as an essential stage of my own education. In the end, I could visit him, if ever I have the opportunity, I’m confident I’d be welcome, if he is in a condition to receive visitors. He’s about 87. I’ve been privileged to know many very unusual people, and he was one, may God make it easy for him.
So where am I banned? Well, it’s almost certainly these: en.wikipedia.org, a formal “community ban,” based on advocating following Wikipedia policy wrt cold fusion. I was successful before the Arbitration Committee, and that was intolerable. I know how to be unbanned, and could probably pull it off, but … have never attempted it. I was done with the Wikipedia experiment; Wikipedia is an endless opportunity to push a boulder up a mountain so that it can roll down again. I’ve assisted others in navigating that mess, for fun and profit. I’m not banned on any other WMF wiki, but have generally abandoned working on WMF wikis. Except when I’m paid, which has happened. The largest exception: I still occasionally do some writing on en.wikiversity.org, which is the most open and most useful of the WMF family, at least in certain ways. “Fringe” is not deleted there, for starters, at least normally it is not.
Then there would be vortex-l. — a mailing list. There, I confronted a troll — or lunatic — causing substantial damage, and I’d been begging the owner to notice and handle it. His response, when he finally looked, was to shut vortex-l down — and so I started newvortex, which has been useful for various purposes. Most recently, this was used to host the Rossi v. Darden files until yahoo failures became intolerable and I moved to this blog, which works far, far better. There is nothing else like Rossi v. Darden docket and case files on the internet.
And then the Owner of vortex-l banned the troll and, citing DNFTT, me, because I’d been responding to the troll. Actually many members had been responding, so I suspect that his real issue with me was that I’d suggested he name some additional moderators. There were many competent people who would have taken the job. Basic and common: founders don’t want to surrender control, even if they no longer have time to actually manage their project.
And then, of course, LENR Forum. I have already described what happened there in detail. As is common with these things, being banned was a blessing. What Zeus46 may not have taken on board is that I declared a boycott of LENR Forum, and never violated it, and was then banned. So they banned someone who wasn’t posting. Cool, eh? Color me canary.
I believe he wants to bestow his highest troll honours upon me for my services in trying to improve his website. Surprisingly enough, he seems to agree with some of the points of the last “ABD watch” post. He mentions how some of “his friends” concur that his magnum dopii are bit on the lengthy side, and he also appears to agree that the inescapable biographical sign-off under each article is perhaps a little OTT.
I have always encountered those who dislike my style, particularly length. It is not uncommon for friends, even, to suggest I be more brief. (Lately, that has been shifting, by the way. However, there is an old friend who is one of the few people who actually understood what I was doing in my work with political systems. He was succinct, but, once, asked about this, he said that, yes, he says (at least some of what) Abd says, in fewer words, but it takes him three times as long. Mark Twain wrote something about that, and so did other writers. It is more work to be briefer, at least for some kinds of writers. And I’m already maxxed out! So I put in that work when polemic is called for. Usually it is not. I do pay attention to critique, even from straight-out enemies, I learned to do that many years ago (pre-internet). Enemies will tell us what our friends won’t, too often.
One definite improvement that he made to his website after reading my advice, was to add a topic heading called “LENR-forum admin”, so one can tally up exactly how lengthy are his bleatings about the hen-pecked moderation team here. It turns out that (so far) there are eight posts that refer to this subject… Which strangely enough is almost double those that come under the headings of both “LENR theory” and “Scientific Method” combined… ie. Once again, a mockery is made of the website’s strapline: “Supporting Low Energy Nuclear Reaction Research”. I hope those who he tapped up for funds knew what they were getting themselves into?
Nobody funded this site but me, using an old grant which has not run out. I write about what is in front of me, but the site is not just about me, and it’s open for others. Gradually, they are appearing, but so far, nobody has asked for author privileges. I expect that to change. If not, well, then I get to be the Cold Fusion Community, and those who don’t like it can go fly a kite. Zeus46 coined “Planet Lomax” for this place, claiming it was my St. Elba, a lonely place — part of his Napoleon trope. It’s not. Some good writers are showing up, and there is support. And until then, until a community exists to restrain me, I can collect whatever material interests me. As Zeus46 noticed, I’m increasing categories. He gives some numbers. What he doesn’t say is the full numbers. There are 91 published posts before this one. The topic of “Scientific Method” was created for some specific posts, even though many posts in some way touch on that topic. Maybe more posts could be tagged. The topic of LENR theory being sparse may reflect my opinion that most LENR theory is way premature. But there will be more, I’m sure.
Now without further ado… Here’s more highlights and/or lowlights from CFC.net:
Abd finally embraces the phrase “Planet-lomax.com”, possibly because it matches with the size of his ego, apparent to myself at least, after he compared himself to Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi and Malcolm X.
My ego is vast, larger than the observable universe. (Okay, smarty-pants, why? Well, it has no edge!) However, search the page he linked for Planet Lomax to see how Zeus distorts what is written. Troll, definitely, not even a shadow of doubt. So, what does this say about LENR Forum? We will see how the mods responded.
I read the “compare” claim and thought, WTF is he talking about? Okay, here is what I wrote:
Be aware that sticking your head up, someone may shoot at it. In my training, the saying was that if nobody is shooting at you, you are not doing anything worth wasting ammunition on. The people held up to us for inspiration were Martin Luther King, Jack Kennedy, Mahatma Gandhi, Malcolm X…. and then we notice that all of them were shot.
That was just a fact. Those examples were held up. Where did I “compare myself” to them? However, in fact, the training is designed to create people who do what they did. And they do. Someone like Zeus46 has no clue what is possible for human beings. “My training” doesn’t mean my own work with myself, I was actually trained in a program and for the first levels of it, I paid. The more advanced work is essentially free — except for the time it takes, which can be a lot.
In any case, once again, trolling. Misrepresenting what someone has written is classic trolling. He has to know he’s doing this, so … he’s lying.
I can only assume this orbit-velocity ego prevents him from admitting to his narcissistic tendencies – A prime example being his preference to blame his blog software for the continued omnipresence of his end-of-article personal puff-pieces.
Again, a simple description of what happened (I changed the theme from the initial one) is translated by this troll into one more proof of Abd’s bad behavior. I actually fixed this, it was simply a matter of placing the bio as a page and then linking to it, instead of using the profile bio. I would allow any other user to do this (and might require it, it really didn’t make sense to have a long bio at the end of every post!)
Abd’s first use of the F-word… On LENR-forum that word only been uttered 25 times (Ignoring ‘accidental’ misspellings of Fukushima). Unsurprisingly, the potty-mouthed Abd was responsible for 10 of these. Interestingly, the second-placed coprophone was Keieueue (3 times), then Pathoskeptic (2)… Which by an astounding coincidence, is the same as their given ‘order of merit’ in Abd’s ‘Troll Hall of Fame’. Who’d have thought?
Fascinating. He noticed. Coprophone? Making up new words? I value authenticity, and I communicate with people in their language. Nobody is forced to read what I write. Any problem with the neutral pages? I.e., the Rossi v. Darden case pages?
(Once gain, Zeus46 associates “troll” with “being banned” on LENR Forum. Obviously, he believes that only “trolls” are banned, and if someone is banned, they must be a troll.)
A turgid post correctly described by Abd as a “Blizzard of Blo(g)viation”… Possibly he meant that to describe LENR-forum, but LENR-forum is a forum. The only blog here is his.
JONP? E-Catworld? And it is actually the bloviation that was the subject.
Who was it who suggested blogviation? Waddyaknow? Zeus45. (The forums are often called “blogs” and they are similar to blogs in some ways.)
[one comment deleted for similar reasons to my not copying one linki above].
Finally, despite the below-shoulder-length hair visible on his avatar, and his oft-mentioned moderation duties on the famously Grateful Dead fan infested W.E.L.L. forum, Abd has previously denied his the use of hallucinogenic drugs…
Zeus45 has jumped to conclusions about what was written then. I have never denied having used various drugs. However, not in the contexts that were asserted, and not by that age, and last usage was over twenty years before the W.E.L.L. period. I was never a Grateful Dead fan, and don’t remember any such “infestation.” The Wikipedia article does mention the Dead. There were Conferences on many topics. So some Grateful Dead fans had a conference. This means? The W.E.L.L. was not characterized by either Grateful Dead fans nor drug users. I moderated the Islam conference there, but moved on to other activities, particularly Usenet, where I became a moderator of soc.religion.islam.
Which puts me at a loss to explain his confusion over the persona of the lame pastiche calling themselves “zeus45”. Indeed, The only “evidence” that Abd offers for his theory that Zeus45 and I are the same person, is that a fourth person (yes, really) had a comment referring to “planet-lomax.com” (population 1) deleted from said website. Apparently he thinks my subsequent use of the phase means I must have known about this first post. Which somehow suggests that all of us are really just one person. Unfortunately for Abd, I actually pinched it from an earlier, and apparently-now-deleted, comment on ego-out.
Zeus46 is clearly nasty as hell, and lies. Zeus45, maybe isn’t Zeus46, I was pretty sure in that post but I’m not going back over the evidence because …. it really doesn’t matter. Zeus46 lies, I’m sure of that, there have been many examples here. Zeus45 is not about to be banned here, but hasn’t commented
The real point here is that trolling is not only permitted on LENR Forum, but a moderator joins in.
Well, I am glad someone reads that stuff besides Rigel, saves me the bother. Denigrating others is just Abd’s way of ‘building a community’.
Alan Smith issued the ban on LENR Forum when I declared I was boycotting it. It was his arbitrary deletions of posts that led to that declaration, pending a resolution. That Smith was supported demonstrated to me that LENR Forum was a lost cause. Something is rotten at the core, confirming prior suspicions.
Basic lesson: communities that depend on an owner and administrators that are not open and transparent are risking the loss of all that they put in.
Smith accuses me of “denigrating others,” but commonly denigrated others, and here, he is supporting blatant, heavy trolling.
The Owner of LENR Forum has the right to do what he wants with it. At least the legal right. And I have the right to write “fuck.”