Oliver here

The title of this page is the section title created by Schizophrenic, for Talk:Rome Viharo, in response to a comment that was allegedly from Viharo (but that may have been an impersonation, I have not checked with Viharo). The edits creating this section were (much later) hidden, but not the content. (and archived)

Schizophrenic was responding to material copied onto the Talk page by a sysop, taken from the Saloon bar. That material included the real name of Schizophrenic. Before that, an IP edit was redacted, see the archive.

“[REDACTED]” there replaced “Oliver D. Smith”, except that the second reference in the first paragraph referred to “David1234” as the creator of the Rome Viharo article, which he was. That account was an AP sock, all right, but not Oliver; rather it was Darryl. For Darryl’s identity we have only circumstantial evidence, and the testimony of an admitted liar, his brother Oliver. That two brothers were involved, not simply one person, has caused massive confusion, thoroughly exploited by the brothers, for Oliver can then say that someone like Viharo — if that was Viharo — is “lying,” when he is merely mistaken, and the substance of his claims remains cogent. There was definitely harassment.

What Schizophrenic wrote:

Viharo has confused identities of two people, Tim Farley and Oliver Smith (i’m the latter). He thinks Farley is Manul from Wikipedia, when he isn’t. Secondly he thinks i’m Goblin Face/Dan Skeptic from Wikipedia, when i’m not. A lot of this confusion is down to the banned RW user and troll Michaeldsuarez (an ED sysop) posting misinformation about me. I’ve now blocked the libellous ED page he created using my name where he says i’m Goblin Face etc.

Viharo does speculate that Manul (formerly vzaak, who definitely harassed Viharo on Wikipedia, while Farley is alleged to have harassed him elsewhere — I have not verified this) is a sock of Farley. I rather doubt it, but the more reasonable suspicion is that there is off-wiki communication and cooperation between “skeptics.” That’s a long story. Goblin Face was Dan Skeptic, that’s open. However, Goblin Face was eventually checkusered as an AP sock, so if Viharo thinks they are “AP” he would have some substantial basis.

However, Wikipedia gave up attempting to distinguish the brothers, they are both defacto banned as AP. The ascription of this to MDS is classic AP smokescreen. Many, many people have figured this out (and some think that the brother story is fake, and Oliver just asserted that himself, that he had lied for years. Yeah, right. I find it highly implausible that all the activity I have tagged as AP is one person, it creates more mysteries than it resolves. I won’t say “impossible.” But that’s not my operating assumption. Two aspects of one person, possibly “schizophrenic,” or two persons who sometimes access the internet from the same location, makes little difference, in fact, since both are highly disruptive, but it can confuse the hell out of checkusers.

Defamation Complaint to Google https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12535607

See this page for a longer list of complaints. Smith also harasses by email, may have made harassing phone calls, files complaints with service providers and administrators, and is quite proud of the results — and misrepresents them.

Viharo was also involved in posting slander about me on my ED page, so its rather amusing to see him here moaning about “harassment”. Google has looked, seen the defamation, and taken action by blocking the page.

Google acts under a process that does not determine the fact of defamation. That action only blocks listing search results for users accessing Google from the UK (or maybe the EU).

As for the schizophrenia claim, it traces back to Encylopedia Dramatica (again Michaeldsuarez) which is not a reliable source at all; there’s other nonsense there such as i’m a holocaust denier or muslim extremist. I simply at first went along with it for a joke, hence I’ve used this name. Bizarrely though Viharo thinks its all genuine, and is now posting i’m “mentally ill” on his website, and Suarez who originated all of this misinformation and know he made it up – is now going around trying to portray me as a real schizoid.Schizophrenic (talk) 14:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

So Oliver went along with the “joke,” and then attacks others for repeating it. The account Schizophrenic’s contributions show many Oliver Smith interests, and this was long-term, unlikely to be an imposter. In fact, the admission of schizophrenia came from a comment by Atlantid, a well-known sock of Oliver (and he’s admitted that was him), and there have also been other clues, including quite erratic behavior.


Pretty much everything on the above link is false, e.g. “After I was banned on Wikipedia, this individual was also ‘David1234’ who created the Rational Wiki article on me” Yet. I never created Rome Viharo’s Rationalwiki entry; “David1234” is not me. He also accuses me of sending him a “threatening email”. I’ve never emailed Rome Viharo. The only source saying I do is Encylopedia Dramatica (tracing back specifically to michaeldsuarez who makes up these lies). Schizophrenic (talk) 15:32, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

David1234 would be Darryl Smith. Oliver is telling the truth on this point, but not the whole truth, and for others to become confused would be normal. I’ve known MDS for many years, he’s not a liar. Ever. I”ve disagreed with him, but he wasn’t lying.

But ED is a parody site, full of satire, not everything there is to be taken literally. The information that I and others have published, however, does not depend on MDS. The source for email to Rome Viharo would be Rome Viharo, obviously, not someone else.

A copy of the mail.

It appears that Viharo assumed that this mail would be from Oliver (“Atlantid”). I doubt it. Both brothers have been known to threaten retaliation for documentation, though, and Oliver admittedly harassed Joshua Connor Moon, by sending an email to his mother’s employer. The interest here would not be Oliver, but Darryl (“Goblin Face/Dan Skeptic”), but, then, Oliver becomes interested if he is named. I received similar threats from socks that originally were promoting the interests of Darryl L. Smith, but also defending his brother, claiming that “Anglo Pyramidologist” — i.e., Oliver — was not involved.

Retaliation through impersonation is very much a Smith brother activity.

The brothers have created a cloud of confusion and a web of deception. As well, they have been strangely protected by some. Why? I find that a question of substantial interest.

Some people keep and use attack dogs. Others are merely naive.

If not for the admission, which was difficult to find, Schizophrenic would have looked like many AP socks, and was, in fact, suspected from contributions. The strange revision-hiding more than  year later confirms the connection to Skeptical, who could be Oliver or Darryl, and Skeptical was already clearly an AP sock.

It was Skeptical who blocked me on RationalWiki for “doxxing” that was not doxxing, I did not name real names, only suspected accounts of being “AP.” RW users, and especially the Smith brothers, do that with others routinely (and they use real names in accusing suspected socks.)

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