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(See below for open public confirmation by Oliver Smith of the basic information here. I have correspondence with Oliver Smith which I am publishing on a subpage under a claim of fair use. He used a previously-published gmail address.)
A post by mikemikev on Lolcow wiki, provided a screenshot, allegedly from another user, giving what appears to be some kind of directory listing.
- DARRYL L SMITH, [street redacted] RADLETT, WD7 8AU, Age: 27
- [name of apparent mother omitted],[street redacted], RADLETT, WD7 8AU, Age: 59
- [name of apparent father omitted], [street redacted], RADLETT, WD7 8AU, Age: 59
- [name of apparent older brother omitted], [street redacted], RADLETT, WD7 8AU, Age: 32
- OLIVER D SMITH, [street redacted] RADLETT, WD7 8AU, Age: 27
An account claiming to be mikemikev also recently wrote an article on Oliver D. Smith on Rightpedia, with the same information. Reading it generally, mikemikev is not lying. I probably would want to have little to do with him, due to his apparent politics, but Oliver D. Smith is a liar and intensely harasses his targets. He has certainly attempted that with me, for the crime of pointing out what he did on Wikipedia, Wikiversity, and the meta wiki. That full story has not yet been told. However:
Famously, “If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”
It fits perfectly.
And, in fact, Oliver D. Smith has now acknowledged being some of the AP socks, both in correspondence with me, and in a blog he started to attack Emil Kirkegaard. I thought of archiving it, but … it was already archived twice. Here is the latest.
In that blog post, he acknowledges the following:
Many people hold what I consider obsolete ideas about race. It is not my task to defend “racialists,” much less “racists,” and there is a distinction that can be made, even though racialism sometimes is used to justify racism. For years I wrote that “race” is a myth, (while population genetics is not, and this is a complex topic often difficult to discuss, like some other topics that come up.) I have no idea where these alleged racists or racialists stand, because it really isn’t my business. I’m concerned about impersonation and defamation, and in the latter case, AP socks made it very personal and have cause damage, particularly to Wikiversity, all in the name of revenge. RationalWiki has been used as a tool for retaliation, by the Smith brothers (with some possible collusion from others, that I consider “under investigation.”) Krom actually admitted his use of RationalWiki in his farewell edit there. His real politics are very different from the general politics of RationalWiki, but he, and his brother, found they could gain mileage there.
That had become obvious in my research (which both Oliver and Darryl have ridiculed as a “paranoid conspiracy theory”) But what account did he use? Krom? No. BenSteigmans, thus impersonating a favorite target. Favorite target of which brother? I don’t know. Oliver has denied being the one who impersonated Ben Steigmann on Wikipedia, blaming that activity on his brother (or, alternatively, claiming that this was some other troll, he was quite unclear), but here, in 2016, he was himself impersonating Steigmann. Oliver attacked Steigmann in his emails to me; my sense is that this was all coming from a major political grudge, not mere disagreement.
Kirkegaard and Fuerst were quickly permabanned from RationalWiki for disruption; Fuerst within a single month, while Kirkegaard in 3 months. In contrast, I’ve used RationalWiki for 6 years and have never been banned.
Like most what AP socks have claimed, this is quite misleading. RationalWiki does not ordinarily ban users, that takes a special discussion, called a “cooping.” There was no cooping for either Kirkegaard nor Feurst. So there is no “permaban.” What there is, is an “indef block”. I saw Kirkegaard attempting to defend himself on RationalWiki and I saw impersonation socks appearing. I’ve also seen AP socks create massive disruption that resulted in blocks of impersonated targets, and that has recently happened on Wikipedia, which I will be documenting and may file a checkuser request over.
Has Oliver ever been blocked? Well, it is difficult to tell, because there are so many accounts and each one may be one or the other brother, but right off the top, he has been blocked as an IP editor, 126.96.36.199
Oliver has claimed that I’m “permabanned” on RationalWiki, but … I was merely indefinitely blocked by one of the AP socks. He talks about that account:
This claim of knowing one of the socks “in person” has been common for AP, with accounts that were considered by checkuser to be the same person. A massive tissue of lies and confusion has been created, so when does it stop? How can one “easily verify” that Skeptical is not an AP sock? Skeptical does not have RW email enabled. As well, it might be his brother. Further, at the beginning of this, I thought it possible that there was a group of users who sometimes cooperated, “meat puppets.” However, what has been surprising is that, while others have supported AP socks, checkuser has detected most of them, when requested.
After Kirkegaard was exposed in news sources as a paedophile and neo-Nazi, for example The Guardian describes Kirkegaard a “weird far right paedophilia apologist” (see here), Evolve Politics and RT describe him as a “paedophile” and “Nazi”
What the “news sources” demonstrate is a totally sloppy reliance on the RationalWiki articles for “fact.” Kirkegaard has an apparent cause of action for several pieces in the Guardian. I have examined the claimed evidence for “paedophile,” and it is completely bogus. While “paedophile apologist” has slightly more support, it is also bogus. (Basically, that is an extremely hot topic, and there are simple truths, which if stated, can cause some to cry “pedophile apologist.” And I mean “truths.” Like the definition of “pedophile” or (British) “paedophile.”
I wrote what is below before this, and I had taken this page down. However, I am updating it with new information. Prior conclusions are largely confirmed. Oliver Smith has objected to some claims and I will note those, but his objections are largely based on “I am not my brother, and he’s created most of the socks.” The rest of us can be forgiven, I think, for lumping these trolls together as one, originally because of checkuser findings that would often confuse such. Both were disruptive, which is one reason why, after an initial attempt to protect one from blocks of the other, the Wikipedians gave up. In my view, unless a brother is fully honest — including what he knows about the other brother — he is responsible. What has been revealed is quite close cooperation.
Of course, the Smiths are not on trial. Not yet, anyway. Rather, I’m a journalist, and responsible to my readers for both accuracy and caution. First of all, is the information — which is not much better at this point than an anonymous tip — plausible? Does it fit what else we know?
The evidence shown below, in addition to much on the page supra, connects Oliver D. Smith, particularly, to the family of sockpuppets called “Anglo Pyramidologist.”
(And then the early socks, before anyone would have been motivated to impersonate them, acknowledged being brothers. I have no clue that Adam Smith has been involved in anything disruptive, nor the other family members. Just Oliver and Darryl.)
So then is the address given a present or former residence? Are Darryl and Oliver Smith brothers, possibly twin brothers? [Smith has acknowledged that Darryl is his twin brother.] For the purposes of my study, I am not attempting to strongly distinguish between the brothers. Oliver Smith is far more visible as an open identity, but it is entirely possible that the more viciously disruptive Smith is Darryl. That is mostly speculation at this point.
Oliver D. Smith has this Facebook page. (archive copy). It gives his birthdate as 22 April 1990. That would make him 27 years old in 2017. Of course, someone may have found that information and faked the directory entry. Smith has enemies, many of them (as he continues creating them). Sooner or later, such behavior will generate real-world blowback. But why would an enemy create a false lead? The known enemies would want to expose him, not create some fake target.
From Facebook: Education: University Of Roehampton, London Class of 2013. B.A. (Hons) Classical Civilization
The real Oliver D. Smith, if he is not Anglo Pyramidologist, must be aware of the claims. He’s not some shrinking violet who would merely hide. When a person is far better known as a internet troll than as the basic identity, and does nothing visible about it, something is off.
His Twitter account. Oliveratlantis is recent, Joined November 2017, Born in 1990, “Classicist and gamer.”
His blog points to a paper he wrote, published August 8, 2016, in a journal, Shim, a real peer-reviewed journal, though the paper (and perhaps the whole issue) was slightly askew from the general focus of the journal. It was a special issue on Atlantis. A comment from Smith on another blog. I may review this, because it shows that Smith understands the problem of considering “what most think,” when most are not experts.
I see one problem with the paper that connects with the internet style of Anglo Pyramidologist: his thesis is that Plato was a liar, when there are other possible interpretations that would still allow the story to be mythical. The paper is thus flawed by a lack of academic reserve. The paper, however, shows writing skill, aside from that problem.
This Wikipedia single-purpose-account, In an archive, is probably Smith. The account points to the special issue on the talk page for the Wikipedia Atlantis article. If I wanted to add a reference to a paper of mine on Wikipedia, I’d suggest it to a friend, who could do so, as long as the mention iteself was not disruptive. But that friend would not then edit the article, with the common Smith style of very many edits, each with a very small change (very visible on the Wikia articles he wrote, and the RationalWiki articles as well), because the friend would not be the expert on Atlantis, with high interest, I would. These edits emphasize Smith’s thesis and remove sourced material that might suggest the contrary. Other suspected Smith socks that edited that article, after Anglo Pyramidologist was blocked 30 May 2011:
- 188.8.131.52 just before block
- I looked through early 2013. That early socking was mild and not “disruptive socking,” my impression.
- https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/184.108.40.206 19 February 2015
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/220.127.116.11 IP is a bit of a stretch, but AP has used Talk Talk.
- In_the_springtime Probable. Nobody noticed (nor should they have). Last edit: 14 May 2015
- SolontheAthenian blocked as sock of Quack Hunter, i.e., Anglo Pyramidologist, see the SPI filing Something is missing , an archive for Bender235, mentioned in the SPI case. In the springtime was fresh at that point. However, AP uses different service providers (in addition to open proxies) so it might have been missed. Was this an impersonation sock? Or a disruptive brother? If so, by not openly addressing the problem, Smith leaves little for us but to assume it was not. Meanwhile AP socks — and fellow travellers — accuse others of a paranoid conspiracy theory for what has overwhelming evidence, and is the opposite of a conspiracy theory!
- JesusWater 10 June 2015, blocked as AP sock.
- 18.104.22.168 13 July 2015 (vandalism from possible related IP, not like AP but his brother might do it)
- Isambard_Kingdom. Nothing leapt out immediately from contributions, but then the retirement notice! I looked a little more and began to see possible AP interests. Before I decide this is to be set aside as unlikely, I’ll want to look further. Something spooked the user. “Isambard Kingdom” is not a named person. (If one does not wish to call attention to an account, it’s simple: stop editing. Sometimes retirement templates are placed to avoid investigations for policy violations — it has often worked. Then the user takes up the account later (it is trivial to “unretire,” or waits out the checkuser data retention period and starts a new account that cannot be connected with the old by checkuser. This listing is not a claim of editorial misbehavior.
- 22.214.171.124 Again a stretch but AP has used BT. The edit could be AP or the brother.
- 126.96.36.199 only adding and removing space.
- CritiasAtlantis blocked and confirmed as AP.
- JonathanJoshy blocked and confirmed as AP.
- Whitjr this user is noted for an interest in the occult only, for future examination. It should not be necessary to say this … but … not all users with some interest in Atlantis and another AP topic will be AP!
Oliver D. Smith is also administrator of the Atlantis Wikia
According to his bio on Atlantipedia, dated June, 2013, he “studied classics at Roehampton University and is currently studying archaeology at the Oxford Learning College.”
Verifying that address listing
On 192.com, I found listings for Oliver David Smith and Darryl Luke Smith both age range 26-30). I found a listing for [redacted, the apparent mother}. I didn’t want to spend what it would take to see the listings.
On findmypast.com, I searched the electoral register (up to 2014) and found that Oliver David Smith, from Radlett. voted in 2008 (when he would have turned 18, minimum voting age) to 2014. For Darryl Luke Smith, the voting was in 2009-2014. Either they are twins and Darryl didn’t vote that first year, or Darryl is not a twin, but a year younger. The other brother, [name redacted], first voted in 2003. So [the other brother],if he voted at first opportunity, would be five years older than Oliver, confirming the image data.
Whitepages.co.uk (which is shutting down, so an archive link) shows Darryl L Smith, Radlett, WD7 (the rest of the postal code isn’t shown, but one could presumably buy the data — and perhaps full address data — on 192.com) as voting 2009-2014.
At this point the preponderance of the evidence is that mikemikev was passing on a true image of some directory page. This is mostly useful at this point for supporting the IP information that shows geolocation data consistent with that residence.