Smith on Reddit

Subpage of anglo-pyramidologist — the Wikipedia SPI Investigation archive name for the Smith brothers.
This is a response I wrote to an obvious Smith sock on Reddit, TenchuHead. It was way too long for Reddit, so I’m putting it here. This would be, for anyone interested, a bit of an introduction to the level of disruption generated by the Smith brothers.
At this point I am not sure which Smith brother is TenchuHead. Sometimes it becomes clear.
(An obvious Oliver Smith sock on Encyclopedia Dramatica, Tenchu, was renamed BumChum.)

This is a response to this troll.

Notice how TenchuHead knows exactly what bio I am talking about. There are very few people who would. Oliver makes many claims. I have asked him for specifics, his answer has been “too much trouble.” Yes, indeed, he has been lying for so long that it would take a lot of work to clear it up. He’s tried, feebly, he tried to get his RW work deleted, because he is apparently being sued, but never admitted what would have actually led to deletion: telling the truth. Instead, he made up some story, but in the process admitted to what was already obvious: that he had been A, B, C and X, Y, Z. (he didn’t name them but admitted to originating articles that they originated, after claiming for more than a year that I was making it all up.
Again, if anyone wants to know, ask me, I’ll supply evidence.
What I give here is the tip of the iceberg. Don’t read it if not interested! This gets long.
Mikemikev does troll Smith, that’s also obvious. Oliver comes unglued rather easily. In any case, here is that bio: http://archive.is/HKZyR
There is analysis of the article there, the article itself is in the middle. Sources:
(What immediately follows was from my confusion, but it gives some background showing how the Smith brothers cover up history, so I’ve left it in place. The article was created by Schizophreniac, not Schizophrenic. But both were Oliver.)
Contributions history of Schizophrenic. 166 undeleted edits. Oliver interests, 100%. Edited January to August 2016.
User page. Oliver. (matches his description of himself on Encyclopedia Dramatica.)
There are deleted contributions. This was Oliver, clearly. This was not Mikemikev at all. Anyone familiar with both would know. Some contributions were deleted by Skeptical (Oliver, almost certainly) . From logs:
02:18, 31 October 2017 Skeptical (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Anthroscape (removing a whole page of doxing (enclopedia dramatica links etc))
02:14, 31 October 2017 Skeptical (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Human Phenotypes (Doxing: a whole load of doxing left on this page)
There are also hidden edit summaries and edits on Talk:RomeViharo. From Schizophrenic contributions:
15:32, 11 July 2016 (diff | hist) . . (+665)‎ . . Talk:Rome Viharo ‎ (edit summary removed)
14:49, 11 July 2016 (diff | hist) . . (+1,395)‎ . . Talk:Rome Viharo ‎ (edit summary removed)
and then for this page:
02:38, 31 October 2017 Skeptical (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page Talk:Rome Viharo: content hidden and edit summary hidden (Inappropriate comment or personal information: removing dox and possible impersonation)
02:37, 31 October 2017 Skeptical (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page Talk:Rome Viharo: content hidden and edit summary hidden (Inappropriate comment or personal information: removing dox & possible impersonation)
I have information that the edit summary was “Oliver here” and the content was Schizophrenic claiming to be Oliver Smith, in order make Rome Viharo wrong (which he was, by the way). Many have been confused by there being two Smith brothers. Any RatWiki sysop can verify this.
So then, fast forward to May, 2018
19:54, 2 May 2018 Debunking spiritualism (talk | contribs) blocked Schizophrenic (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled) (Harassment: Impersonation, not real “Oliver” now Abd using the impersonator on his blog: http://archive.is/ydies)
thanks to DS (Darryl Smith), a link can easily be found to the content on RatWiki, still. DS did attempt to hide it, but his flurry of revision deletions was reversed.
https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rome_Viharo&oldid=1699851#Oliver_here
That block came almost two years later, when the edits were discovered. DS attempted to cover this up by making many deletions and blocks, ending with crazy disruption and then a pretense that his account had been hacked (look at his contributions and logs).
Yet that sequence took days and began with many actions clearly supporting the Smith agenda. It was all falling apart by then, and they were becoming desperate. They blamed the mythical hacking on me, of course. There were other places where Oliver acknowledged that DS was his brother. DS had moved almost all his activity to Wikipedia, even before that, as the account that was Skeptic from Britain, until he was about to be whacked there, so he retired, pretending that he had been outed.
That was a device to harass a user who had argued with him, it was a lie (many troll socks appeared on blogs and made the accusation, almost certainly it was him pretending to out himself).
But Oliver on ED accused me of being SfB, so I looked. OMG! Darryl Smith, I would not have noticed. (Later, I saw that Oliver admitted that SfB was his brother.)
This was indeed Darryl and he became John66, still editing yesterday, same agenda as SfB, and obviously a Smith brother. Just not Oliver. (I’ve analysed the edit timings for DS, SfB, and John66, they fit like a glove, in addition to the duck test).
And I just realized that I was confused myself.  The bio was not written by “Schizophrenic,” who was very clearly Oliver, but by Schizophreniac. The only edit showing.
13:08, 9 Augus t 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+2)‎ . . British National Party ‎ (→‎Heydey of the BNP, 2006-2009: spelling)
That’s an Oliver interest. Very unlikely that Mikemikev would run such a long-term impersonation.
However, Schizophreniac also created an article later proposed for AfD by him, as Aeschylus (which is why I mentioned Aeschylus in that ED page)
22:26, 7 February 2019 Aeschylus (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page Julius Daugbjerg Bjerrekær: content hidden, edit summary hidden and username hidden (Inappropriate username: striking blocked fake account edit, alleged impersonation)
The revision showed, I understand (I do have help), Schizophreniac (Created page with “{{altrightnav|1}} ”’Julius Daugbjerg Bjerrekær”’ is an alt-right pseudoscientist associated with child-rape apologist Emil Kirkegaard who publishes in the OpenPsy…”)
This was Oliver, not Mikemikev, that is Oliver’s standard story about Kirkegaard.
10:30, 8 February 2019 Aeschylus (talk | contribs) deleted page Julius Daugbjerg Bjerrekær (AFD vote (please see RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Julius Daugbjerg Bjerrekær): consensus to delete this one)
Aeschylus created the AfD, claiming that Mikemikev created it (though it looked like nothing Mikemikev). He could not afford to wait for the normal AfD time, because an RW sysop might get curious and look. Why did this matter? Because Schizophreniac had another article, which he had put up as his last edit. It was immediately deleted. The Smith brothers can create articles outing anyone or about anyone, but if someone creates an article about them, or generally even mentions them, it will be immediately deleted.
Oliver D. Smith was salted long ago. But this article was not an attack article at all. It was simply, widely-known fact about Oliver, and specifically, how he sees himself.
18:58, 3 February 2019 GrammarCommie (talk | contribs) deleted page Oliver Smith (Harassment: content was: “{{enviro}} ”’Oliver D. Smith”’ (online aliases: ”’Atlantid”’, ”’Krom”’) is a far-right childfree move…”, and the only contributor was “Schizophreniac” ([[User talk:Schizophr…)
16:20, 4 February 2019 David Gerard (talk | contribs) changed block settings for Schizophreniac (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Harassment: no reason to preserve this username for future use)
Very unusual, for Gerard to intervene like that. Why? I won’t answer now.
The claim that the bio was wrong, made by the sock above:
Its not a bio of Smith you utter simpleton, but lies Mikemikev made up e.g. Smith has never been a (eco)fascist. Nothing on that bio was true. Seriously, seek mental help
This is a blatant lie, because the article does not claim that Smith was an ecofascist, it claims that an “influence” was one. It is full of accurate detail, contrary to the claim of “nothing … was true.” Oliver was Atlantid (former Metapedia admin) and Krom, openly admitted, in many places. He is an antinatalist, made a big point of that to me. And I could go on and on. This was Oliver on Oliver.
If you want to see an article that Mikemikev would write about Oliver, he wrote one: https://archive.li/H2CRW (Warning, I am not vouching for anything there. Questions, ask me!) But that was the real Mikemikev.) ”nuff said. Too much, probably, so sue me.

Update

The Reddit avalanche of throwaway socks continued. I just noticed these:

[deleted] April 11, 2019 13:58 GMT-4

You’re just repeating the same defamation and lies.

It is not defamation and it is definitely not lies. I would rather die than lie. But to err is human, to be sure.

Smith never owned the schizophrenic or schizophreniac accounts, both were Mikemikev.

This is a Smith claim, and probably incorrect as to both. The second account had few edits, and there is more discussion of that account below, but the Smiths use confusion of names to create what they think will be plausibility. Almost never do they point to actual evidence, just their own say-so, whether directly or by pointing to the articles they wrote, which is, by the way, abusing Google and it is quite what I was threatened with.

You also present zero evidence for the claim these are Smith, but abuse google traffic by spreading all this misinformation. Hence a web-engine search on this shows your misleading claim “Oliver admitted to being Schizophrenic” – an account he never owned, nor admitted to owning, but said the whole time it wasn’t him, but Mikemikev.

He doesn’t point to the alleged statement, but off the cuff, I would not have capitalized Schizophrenic, because I don’t know that Oliver admitted to being that account. No, Oliver admitted to schizophrenia in an edit with his Metapedia account, Atlantid, as he was retiring.

So what about the account, Schizophrenic? RationalWiki contributions.

Edited from 29 January to 20 September 2016. Admitted to being Oliver Smith, in an edit which was revision-deleted, either by Joris Enter or Skeptical, which was clearly Oliver.  I saved this quite some time ago. Even though it is dangerous to assign any credence to someone insane, insane people have periods of lucidity and often reveal the truth, which they may later deny. To understand reality takes more than knee-jerk reactions.

Oliver here

Viharo has confused identities of two people, Tim Farley and Oliver Smith (i’m the latter). He thinks Farley is Manul from Wikipedia, when he isn’t. Secondly he thinks i’m Goblin Face/Dan Skeptic from Wikipedia, when i’m not. A lot of this confusion is down to the banned RW user and troll Michaeldsuarez (an ED sysop) posting misinformation about me. I’ve now blocked the libellous ED page he created using my name where he says i’m Goblin Face etc.

Defamation Complaint to Google https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12535607

Viharo was also involved in posting slander about me on my ED page, so its rather amusing to see him here moaning about “harassment”. Google has looked, seen the defamation, and taken action by blocking the page.

As for the schizophrenia claim, it traces back to Encylopedia Dramatica (again Michaeldsuarez) which is not a reliable source at all; there’s other nonsense there such as i’m a holocaust denier or muslim extremist. I simply at first went along with it for a joke, hence I’ve used this name. Bizarrely though Viharo thinks its all genuine, and is now posting i’m “mentally ill” on his website, and Suarez who originated all of this misinformation and know he made it up – is now going around trying to portray me as a real schizoid.Schizophrenic (talk) 14:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

http://wikipediawehaveaproblem.com/2016/02/what-will-wikipedia-editor-goblin-faceatlantid-do-next/

Pretty much everything on the above link is false, e.g. “After I was banned on Wikipedia, this individual was also ‘David1234’ who created the Rational Wiki article on me” Yet. I never created Rome Viharo’s Rationalwiki entry; “David1234” is not me. He also accuses me of sending him a “threatening email”. I’ve never emailed Rome Viharo. The only source saying I do is Encylopedia Dramatica (tracing back specifically to michaeldsuarez who makes up these lies).Schizophrenic (talk) 15:32, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Oliver is often obsessed about people being “wrong,” and it leads him to blurt out the truth. One might say, poor impulse control. Viharo, like many, made mistakes in covering the Smith fiasco. Oliver was Atlantid, but Goblin Face (who was also Dan Skeptic) was his brother, Darryl L. Smith.

The Google blocks were (are?) effective in the U.K., but not in the U.S. (yes, google knows where your search comes from and follows local law, so to see a more complete search, one can use an open proxy — for Oliver, located in the U.S.)

Michael D. Suarez’s understanding of the situation also improved with time. He knows full well that there are two brothers. It is quite possible that Oliver had not emailed Rome Viharo at that time. (but he did later). It’s all quite complicated because of there being two brothers, who sometimes cooperate and who sometimes may not know what the other is doing.

But I have zero doubt that Schizophrenic was Oliver, and had this been an impersonation, the account would have been whacked quickly. It was blocked much later by Debunking spiritualism, May 2, 2018, in his flurry of deletions and blocks, whereupon DS retired, claiming his account had been hacked and, of course, that was blamed on me. The block, however, was based on my use of the Schizophrenic account record as evidence, it’s in the block log. So I would try to cover that up? What, are they crazy?

Yes, they are, and what is astonishing is that the RW sysops believed it. This is a fundamental problem with wikis. “Wiki” means “quick,” and if it takes more than two or three minutes to understand something, it’s a wall of text and we will just do whatever we think. Which follows in predictable tracks, and the Smiths learned to manipulate them.

Oliver was still lying here, or had forgotten what he had admitted and could have thought that it was “wrong.” I.e., he temporarily believed he was suffering from schizophrenia. But Michaeldsuarez was not lying.

Back to the Smith troll on Reddit:

How you sleep at night, I don’t know. You have no conscience and just lie all the time. And you’ve now created yet another article spreading falsehoods about Smith on your blog to abuse google.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abd_ul-Rahman_Lomax

I.e., abusing Google. I couldn’t make this up!

“One of his favorite methods of attack is to ‘weaponize’ Google searches, so if someone searches for a name then Lomax’s blog will show up with ad hominem and lies written about them.”

Search for Oliver D. Smith, there are three hits above this site. Again and again, Oliver has been invited to correct errors. Instead, for the most part (there are a few exceptions), he just cries “Lies!” Meanwhile, the RatWiki article on me is the number one hit, and any attempt to correct errors in it has been met with (1) immediate blocks, little response — though there have also been some exceptions — but, worse, a flurry of impersonation socks pretending to be me with phony threats and spamming material taken from me, to irritate RatWiki sysops. The purpose is to hide the real edits by me in a pile of impersonations. It appears to have worked. Nobody on RatWiki cared, at least so far. That may be changing. We’ll see.

And then, again on Reddit:

[deleted] 11 April 11 2019 13:58:18

[I had written:] And I just realized that I was confused myself. (to be continued) The bio was not written by “Schizophrenic,” who was very clearly Oliver but by Schizophreniac. The only edit showing.

13:08, 9 August 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+2)‎ . . British National Party ‎ (→‎Heydey of the BNP, 2006-2009:spelling)

That’s an Oliver interest

Its as if you’re deliberately confusing Mikemikev with Smith. BNP is Mikemikev’s interest, not Smith’s. Mikemikev is a member (or ex-member) of the BNP and also claims to vote for them. Smith has never been a member of the BNP and has never voted for them. Mikemikev still promotes Nick Griffin (the old BNP leader) and BNP on his Gab (as of Apr 2019). BNP is clearly Mike’s obsession. Why lie all the time?

There is someone lying in every post, all right, using a pile of throwaway accounts, which itself makes all this obvious.

BNP could be a Mikemikev interest, but was also, very clearly, an interest of Oliver Smith, see the edits of Schizophrenic (not Schizophreniac), who was Obvious Oliver and was open about it at one point, documented above.  See also Gorgonite (clear Oliver) and extensive edits by Atlantid (Oliver) to the BNP article on Metapedia.

How would this troll know what Oliver ever voted for? The trolls reveal far more than they realize, the truth comes out, whatever matters, and anyone can see if they look.

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