Mats Lewan continues to believe, long after the frauds of Andrea Rossi became crystal clear. From his blog, An Impossible Invention:
The moment of truth is getting close with launch on January 31st
“An Impossible Invention” is the title of Lewan’s book about Rossi and the “E-cat.” The reference is to the alleged impossibility of a device, an “energy catalyzer,” to generate heat from nickel and hydrogen. Lewan, a science journalist originally, was right, my opinion, to treat the “invention” as “possible,” not “impossible.” However, the problem isn’t impossibility, it is that Rossi was shown, by incontrovertible evidence in the trial, Rossi v. Darden, to have lied repeatedly. Case guide.
On January 31, 2019, inventor and entrepreneur Andrea Rossi will hold an online presentation on the commercial launch of his heating device, the E-Cat. Thereby, the moment of truth is approaching for the carbon free, clean, abundant, cheap, and compact energy source that could potentially replace coal, oil, gas, and nuclear, and also solve the global climate crisis.
This is fluff. The moment of truth passed long ago. Rossi claimed to have a 1 MW reactor ready for sale before the end of 2011. That reactor was actually purchased by Industrial Heat, for $1.5 million, and delivered in 2013. With that, and a payment of $10 million, Rossi also agreed to disclose whatever was needed to build the reactors, and to license the technology to Industrial heat, for regions covering half the planet. In addition, subject to a “guaranteed performance test,” IH was to pay Rossi $89 million more. Rossi remained free to market or use the technology independently in the other half of the world.
It appears that Lewan has refused or failed to read the evidence from that trial, consisting of documents, almost entirely unchallenged, plus depositions under oath. We can assume that the unchallenged evidence is authentic, there are detailed responses from both sides, in motions to dismiss and answers to those.
The trial began, the jury was seated, and opening arguments were made. It was obvious to me how this was going to go. Rossi’s claim for $89 million was going to be rejected, for many reasons, IH was not going to be able to recover their investment paid to Rossi (because of estoppel), but IH would be able to claim fraud from the “Doral test,” and be able to collect damages from Rossi and those who assisted him perpetrate the fraud.
Obviously, Lewan could dispute that, but not reasonably unless he actually looks at the evidence, evidence that I studied and documented intensely, in order to make it available.
Since I started reporting on Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat technology in 2011, he always told me that his main goal, and the only thing that would convince people about the controversial physical phenomenon it was built on, would be to put a working product on the market.
What is truly odd about Lewan is that he says this, but actually ignores it. There was an allegedly “working product” on the market in 2011, with a price of $1.5 million, and it was purchased by an eager customer, IH. The guaranteed performance test did not take place in a timely fashion. Rossi blames IH for that, but the evidence shows otherwise, but Rossi then convinced IH to allow the reactor to be installed in Florida for a sale of power to a “customer” he had found, and he argued that an independent customer would be more convincing as a demonstration than what IH had proposed, an installation in North Carolina in a related company.
And Rossi clearly represented that the customer was actually Johnson-Matthey, Rossi’s emails show how he then attempted to create plausible deniability. A jury would have seen right through that. The customer was, in fact, a company set up by Rossi’s attorney, Johnson, who was also the President of Leonardo Technologies, Rossi’s Florida company. There was no “chemical company” other than Rossi’s activity, he controlled it entirely.
But if the reactor worked, so what? At least that is what many on Planet Rossi think. IH claimed that they had been unable to create any success with Rossi reactors, other than what appeared in some tests, later considered to be artifact (such as the Lugano test: IH had made that reactor).
This was the ultimate market test. IH was not about to pay $89 million for a “test” that did not satisfy the terms of the Agreement, but, because, the thinking would go, perhaps Rossi, known to be paranoid, had not disclosed to them the “secret.” So, having paid Rossi $11.5 million (and more in various ways), they would have wanted to keep the license, just in case it turned out to work.
They had four or five lawyers sitting there in the trial in Miami, it was costing them millions of dollars. They might not have been able to recover their legal costs, and there would be other reasons to avoid a trial. They are working to support inventors, and prosecuting a fraud claim against an inventor would not be the kind of publicity they would want.
So when Rossi, having claimed for a year that he was going to wipe the floor with Darden and Industrial Heat, proposed a walk-away, that no money change hands, he gives up his $89 million claim, and they give back the reactors (there were actually two 1 MW plants plus other prototypes), and the license was cancelled, they accepted.
They knew more about the Rossi technology than anyone other than Rossi. They had worked for about three years trying to get it to work. If it worked even modestly well, it would have been worth many billions of dollars, maybe trillions. With that knowledge, instead of spending a few million more, they chose to walk away, and focus on other LENR technology.
To me, this is beyond-a-reasonable-doubt evidence that Rossi technology was worthless. And the kicker: After the case settled, Rossi had people screaming for a plant, and he had two of them. If the technology actually worked, he could have installed it in a real customer’s facility, or could have sold heat to heating co-ops in Sweden. He’d have been making money hand over fist.
Instead, he dismantled the plants, destroying them, and focused on his “improved product,” which is what the upcoming demo is about.
Now, eight years later, after events taking unexpected and amazing turns which I told in my book An Impossible Invention and in this blog, Rossi claims to be ready to do so. His plan is to sell heat from remotely monitored devices at a price per kWh 20 percent below market price, with no carbon emissions from the operation of the devices.
The book did not cover the revealed information about the IH/Rossi affair. He has mentioned it on the blog, with shallow, very incomplete coverage that gives full voice to Rossi deceptive descriptions. Lewan has become a Rossi shill.
The Doral installation was a sale of power at $1000 per megawatt-day. So he already had, over eight years ago, a plant that could be installed to do what he now “plans” to do. Unless he was lying, then, and if he was lying then, why would we imagine he is not lying now?
(Note: The business model of selling a service rather than a product is a strong megatrend driven by digitalisation and by internet of things, making remote monitoring more effective, and it is already used by e.g. Rolls-Royce and GE, selling flight hours rather than aero engines).
This is basically irrelevant. Software is also licensed, not sold, etc.)
While this already implies a substantial cost-saving for the customers, it is most probably only the start of what the E-Cat technology can provide ahead, if it works as claimed.
There is no news here, only a “plan” which is not binding on anyone. On what basis does Lewan claim “probable.” Yes, he hedges it, “if it works as claimed.” Does he attempt to assess the odds of it working? Would past performance be a way of assessing this? Some who has failed many times to deliver what he promised, how much credence should be placed on new promises, in advance of a independently testable product?
At the online presentation (more info at http://www.ecatskdemo.com) Rossi plans to show a two-hour video of a device already in operation, reportedly heating an industrial premises of about 250 square meters in the US to 25°C since Nov 19, 2018. At the presentation, he will provide details regarding the commercial launch, but here is what I have been told and what I have concluded so far:
We know that what Rossi says is utterly unreliable. Does Lewan know that? Has he looked at the evidence, or does he just run on his gut?
A demonstration like that described can be faked six ways till Sunday. Rossi claimed that the reactor in Florida actually delivered a megawatt for most of the one-year period, based on measurements that he controlled, completely.
The problem was that a megawatt in that warehouse (is this the same “industrial premises”?), given the lack of a powerful heat exchanger, would have made it uninhabitable, fatal to occupants. That was one of the facts to be brought out at trial.
Rossi, last minute, as discovery was closing, contradicting what he had written on his blog for a year, claimed to have made a heat exchanger, didn’t keep receipts or take photographs, and he used the labor of guys who drive around in trucks looking for work, and … it would have had to have been there for the whole year, without anyone visiting noticing it, and it would have been noisy as hell and very visible.
No, he lied again, this time under oath, so that’s why his attorney had little trouble convincing him to settle if he could. He was facing not only losing millions of dollars, but also a possible criminal prosecution for perjury. Rossi was used to lying to the public, which is not necessarily illegal. He was playing a new game in U.S. federal court, where lying is a Very Bad Idea.
Lewan then goes on to give the alleged characteristics of the E-Cat SK. It is all “what he has been told,” and he reports what he was told with no sign of caution or skepticism. Lewan has had enough experience with Rossi to know he can be deceptive. This is my theory: if he were to ask inconvenient questions, he’d lose his access to Rossi. And he’s now made it a business, selling the book, which he is planning to update.
These characteristics are entirely Rossi Says. When we talk about generations of development of devices (Lewan calls the SK the “fourth generation”), it’s assumed that the earlier generations worked and the later generations are improved. If in mercato veritas, what is the truth of the earlier generations?
Bottom line, they were worthless. If they actually worked, they were worth, even as prototypes, at least hundreds of millions of dollars. The market has spoken the truth, but Lewan is ignoring it.
Lately, I have reported little on the E-Cat, simply because there has been essentially no new information that could be confirmed. Also in this case, in theory we will not be able confirm any of the claims presented, specifically since the existing customer will not be disclosed at the presentation on Jan 31, as far as I know.
There was a great deal of information revealed in 2016, in the trial. Lewan ignored it, relying only on what Rossi told him, apparently. Now, we still have no verifiable information. So why would January 31 be the “moment of truth”? Why is Lewan hyping this non-event, where Rossi will just present more smoke and mirrors?
But let’s assume that the there’s no working E-Cat device. Then either Rossi is fooling himself, and there’s nothing that makes me believe this now, or it’s a fraud, which hardly makes any sense at this point.
We already know that Rossi lies and that if the Doral plant worked, it was not working at anything like the level claimed. If it were a weak technology, but working, IH would have held onto it fiercely. They could afford it. (Prepping for the trial, Rossi claimed that IH wasn’t paying because they didn’t have the money to pay, but, in fact, IH had lined up $200 million ($150 million beyond what was already invested in other technology), plenty to pay Rossi and have money for development, but … they were not about to spend that when the frikkin’ reactors didn’t work!
It wasn’t even a weak technology. Before they made the deal with Rossi, they knew Rossi had a checkered past, but they decided they needed to find out. So they found out. It didn’t work.
It also “hardly made any sense” that a fraud would sue their defrauded customer. But he did. Basically, Lewan appears to have no idea how Rossi might actually think and operate, he has ignored the experience of those who worked closely with him for years.
In the fraud case, the E-Cat SK would be an electric heater consuming as much power as it outputs. But after at least a decade of hard work, without asking money from any third party, having earned USD11.5M from his ex US partner Industrial Heat, why would Rossi get back now and sell heat at a loss? To a customer that would immediately discover the fraud by looking at the electricity consumption of the device?
This is absolutely appalling. Rossi asked for and got funding from Ampenergo, so when IH bought the license from Rossi, Ampenergo was part of the deal, signed on, and IH paid Ampenergo millions in addition to what they paid Rossi. And then Rossi not only asked for and received $11.5 million from IH, he was also demanding $89 million. In Doral, there was no customer, but the fake customer agreed to pay $1000 per day for power, and Rossi approved invoice requests for IH to issue for those amounts. IH wasn’t convinced that there was a real power sale; for whatever reason, they didn’t issue those invoices, but the customer had no income, no business, so who would have paid those invoices?
Obviously, Rossi was willing to pay invoices, and it would then have strengthened his case to collect the $89 million. Spending $360,000 to gain $89 million? Lewan has the brain of a cockroach.
(Sorry, cockroaches, you are smarter than that.)
We don’t know anything about the conditions of a power sale. We don’t know how large the container for the reactor is. It must be large enough to protect the reactor from intrusion, and what kind of power source could be inside? We don’t know. This is all speculation, not news. Bottom line, a sale of power could be a fake demonstration of power generation, and, in addition, what if the “customer” is in collusion with Rossi? What would be the goal? Most likely, to gain investment.
Let’s suppose this is a 40 KW reactor.Say that power costs 10 cents/kW-h, that’s $4 per hour, $48 per day if it is 24/7, or under $18,000 per year, if the input power were free. Rossi could easily afford that for a time, and being able to report a satisfied customer — and he could create more than one –, how much more investment could he obtain?
(In this scenario, Rossi could smuggle fuel into the reactor, say propane, which would fuel an ordinary water heater.. So he could have apparent input power far below the heat output. He would be able to charge 80% of the going rate for heat, so, yes, he would be losing money, but not nearly as much as it might seem. Ponzi scheme!)
Clearly, only when at least one customer, having used the heat from the E-Cat SK for some time, will speak publicly about the service, the moment of truth will arrive.
No. There was “one customer” in Florida, apparently an independent company, with a lawyer representing it. In fact, it was a blind trust, in fact, it was not independent, and did not, contrary to the installation agreement with IH, measure the heat delivered independently. Lewan doesn’t think of the possible problems because he has paid no attention to what actually happened in Florida.
I looked above, and Lewan did hedge his claim. The moment of truth is not January 31. It is rather “the moment of truth is getting close with launch on January 31.” Except this is not a “launch.” With a product launch, the product becomes available. Is a product becoming available?
Once again, Rossi claimed an available product, a “1 MW reactor” in 2011. So was that “close to launch”? Lewan is more like “out to lunch.”
Meanwhile, everything else that I have observed and witnessed during these eight years, including my own measurements on the previous E-Cat versions, and the one-year test of a one megawatt plant in Doral, FL, during which Rossi started developing the E-Cat QX with its electronic/electromagnetic control system, indicates that the E-Cat is a working device, although many would call it An Impossible Invention.
About that “one year test” in Florida, it didn’t work, it was fraud. “Impossible Invention” is totally irrelevant. All the prior tests had glaring defects. Lewan was present for the Hydro Fusion test, which failed, and at which Rossi argued that they were not measuring input power correctly. Lewan argued with him, apparently think that this was just an honest mistake. But if Rossi could make that mistake with the Hydro Power test, how about with his own? Again and again, basic problems existed with the tests, never resolved because Rossi kept changing the device operation, so a possible artifact in one test could not be verified (or otherwise) in the next.
This is all obvious to many, many observers, so why not to Lewan?
By the way, I would like to share my impression that the groundbreaking control system of the E-Cat QX and the SK, is the result of a kind of dreamteam consisting of the genius Andrea Rossi, with elusive and creative ideas about physics and about what he thinks could be possible, and of electric engineer and computer scientist Fulvio Fabiani, not only being an expert on electronics but also being capable of interpreting Rossi’s wild and hard-to-grasp ideas, transforming them into real electronic circuits actually performing the job Rossi had in mind.
What a flack! Fabiani played a role in Florida, and I’m not going to go over it, but he was in line to lose substantial sums from his professional incompetence. He destroyed evidence belonging to IH.
I will develop this story further in the updated third edition of my book, which I hope to be able to conclude within a year or so, once the moment of truth has arrived.
And when the moment arrives, the E-Cat technology will most probably start providing clean, cheap, abundant, and sustainable energy to everyone in the world, in combination with solar and wind (which are a long way from replacing fossils on their own, and furthermore also require problematic large scale world-wide chemical battery implementations for energy storage).
Until then, the champagne remains on ice. And when I open it, I will be thinking of Sven Kullander and of late Prof. Sergio Focardi who played a fundamental role, helping Rossi to develop the E-Cat technology.
And Lewan has announced (twice, cancelled twice) a New Energy conference, featuring Rossi technology. He has lost all credibility. Here are his announcements:
UPDATE: The New Energy World Symposium was postponed in March 2017, waiting for an upcoming commercial launch of LENR based power. Read more here.
UPDATE 2: An online presentation regarding commercial launch of LENR based power will be held on January 31, 2019. Please get back to this blog for a report shortly.
I’m happy to announce that registration for the New Energy World Symposium is now open, with an Early Bird discount of EUR195 valid until February 17, 2018.
He knows that January 31 is unlikely to be the “moment of truth.” So why is he plowing ahead? (and this. scheduled for June, 2019, was also postponed indefinitely)
Andrea Rossi today published, on ResearchGate, a “preprint,” E-Cat SK and long range particle interactions. This is a theoretical paper standing on unverifiable experimental results, but it does disclose some data not seen before. The paper begins:
The E-Cat technology poses a serious and interesting challenge to the conceptual foundations of modern physics.
There is no challenge until there are confirmed experimental results. Previous reports of SK performance were based entirely on RossiSays, with no verification allowed of necessary measurements. The device demonstrated in Stockholm was periodically stimulated with a high voltage, which would strike a plasma, which would then have low resistance. That strike would be relatively high voltage and would input power into the system. No measurements were allowed of the full input power, or, in fact, even of operating power, i.e., both the voltage and current in steady state operation.
This paper gives this description:
5 Experimental Setup
The plausibility of these hypotheses is supported by a series of experiments made with the E-cat SK. The E-cat SK has been put in a position to allow the eye of a spectrometer view exactly the plasma in a dark room: an ohm-meter has measured the resistance across the circuit that gives energy to the E-Cat; the control panel has been connected with an outlet with 220 V , while from the control panel departed the two cables connected with the plasma electrodes; a frequency meter, a laser and a tesla-meter have been connected with the plasma for auxiliary measurements; a Van der Graaf electron accelerator (200 kV ) has been used for the examination of the plasma electric charge. Other instruments used in the experimental
setup: a voltage generator/modulator; two oscilloscopes, one for the power source and one for monitoring the energy consumed by the E-Cat; Omega thermocouples to measure the delta T of the cooling air; IR thermometer; a frequency generator.
There are no useful details in this. What was the experimental procedure? In what is a plasma created? How is the plasma created? “Energy consumed” is a standard Rossi trope. Energy is not consumed, unless there is an endothermic reaction, we could then use that language.
The voltage across the device is given as 0.25 volt and the current 3.2 mA. He claims a resistance of 75 ohms. Previously he claimed that the operating resistance was zero. 3.2 mA might maintain a plasma, but would not strike it. Periodically, in the Stockholm demonstration, there was a zapping sound and a flash of light. He was striking the plasma, which would take a far higher voltage. There is no mention of striking a plasma in the paper.
In any case, no confirmed experimental results, no challenge.
19 thoughts on “The moment of truth has already passed”
ABD, After you are convinced that the ecat is a reality, you can eat my shorts! Would you prefer mustard of ketchup on them?
There are far too many internet users who believe that making unverifiable claims and then adding bluster and insult to them somehow has a bearing on reality. I’m not interested in eating anyone’s shorts, much less the skankiness I would expect from a random troll. I think there might be a facility for predictions that allow something like betting, and if it is educational, my opinion is that it would be allowed in Islam. The e-cat is real, that is, it was real, there was a container with over 100 alleged reactors in it. If it were real, however, Rossi could have sold it for well over a million dollars, there were eager buyers. But he apparently demolished it. What does that tell us? You tell me! What I know is that Industrial Heat had a license that was worth billions of dollars if the e-cat, or any derivation from it, were real in the sense of working at even a fraction of what Rossi claimed. Having worked with him, closely, for years, they walked away from that, when they could have kept the license easily with not much more investment. (Rossi was certainly not going to get the $89 million, he had misrepresented the Agreement, and that was clear.) Again, what does that tell us?
This comment was posted on LENR Forum by THH.
2 hours ago
Before I leave this site, I’d like to make a full confession.
Ever since I first attended Rossi’s early demo, I’ve been convinced his stuff works. Sure, Rossi is a strange character and says weird things. But I had hidden measuring instruments, including my state of the art portable neutrino detector which we (identity deleted) had been developing, and (unbeknownst to Rossi) can detect a neutrino flux 300,000X higher than ambient coming from his device. There is just no way that could happen without some type of nuclear reaction: even if normal high energy particles seem to be suppressed, and of course neutrinos are (normally) not easily detected.
Since then we have been working in secret to reverse-engineer and optimise the Rossi reaction. It is a race against time, because Rossi, while in many ways technically incompetent, had a head start on us.
A few days ago we hit pay dirt. The last barrier to large-scale commercialisation was broken and we now have a small device that will generate thermal power with no waste and no radioacitivty (except for a very large neutrino flux which however is completely harmless and without specialist equipment undetectable).
Those who’ve wondered about my posting here can now understand it: I desperately needed to ensure that Rossi’s efforts were impeded, keeping him focussed on internet reputation and away from real development.
Now that does not matter.
THH (AKA IOMNESFTW)
email@example.com, JedRothwell, Alan Smith and one other like this.
What is your take on it?
link to THH comment on Lenr-Forum
It’s hilarious, that’s my take. If you did not immediately see this as an April Fool’s Day joke, without any doubt, you are demonstrating just how clouded your mind is.
“state of the art portable neutrino detector” is one of many clues. That would be ridiculously far beyond the state of the art. See Wikipedia, Neutrino detector.
THH used the occasion to brilliantly parody the Planet Rossi conspiracy theory. Of course, if you decide to believe him, make a donation to my GoFundMe page, mentioning him, and I will pass on the proceeds to him. Surely he would pay you back with an enormous return when his invention is marketed, given that it would be worth a trillion dollars, give or take a few.
Actually, reading the article on neutrino detectors more thoroughly, there is a method that uses a crystal that is under 15 kilograms. However, it is immersed in liquid argon, and there would be the cryogenic container and support electronics. Far, far, from something one could conceal. Maybe, quite a stretch, something that could be wheeled in on a dolly. “Oh, Dottore Rossi, this is just my portable life support system, I have a medical condition that requires it! Heh! Heh!”
Of course, a neutrino detector could be anywhere in the vicinity! Ordinary matter is *almost* transparent to neutrinos.
Sam, if you really want to make a difference, abandon your identity, recognize your ignorance, and start to learn. The results could be truly amazing. In a few years, you could make a difference for the future of the planet.
Everybody on LENR Forum
Rossi blog thread are so serious that I guess that it’s good to know
someone can joke even if it’s
Yes. However, you could learn much more from this if you consider what led you to take it seriously.
The standard “Planet Rossi” views allow that, seem to consider it normal that someone would do what THH pretended in that post. Mats Lewan has clearly entertained the idea, while ignoring the most obvious and even preposterous deceptions from Rossi.
Example: Rossi explained his heat exchanger story, and then added that the solar irradiance on the roof of the warehouse was more than a megawatt — as if the heat exchanger was not really necessary. https://animpossibleinvention.com/2017/07/18/heres-the-settlement-getting-the-license-back-was-rossis-top-priority/
Sam, I suggest you take the time to understand this fully. Ask questions if you have them. That whole set of comments from Rossi, reported by Lewan as if fact, is replete with many clear deceptions, as will be seen by anyone who takes the time to study the Rossi v. Darden case documents. I am here focusing on just what is in the above few words.
(1) Rossi’s expert agreed that a heat exchanger was required or heat inside would have reached fatal levels.
(2) Heat on the roof is far less efficient at heating the interior than heat generated in the interior. Imagine a room heater placed on the roof, and not blowing heat inside, but just making the roof hot!
(3) Solar irradiance is enough to heat any enclosed space to fatal levels if the roof/walls are not insulated and air flow is inadequate. Witness an automobile with closed windows. First of all, most of the solar heat will be reflected, not absorbed, from ordinary roof design, and consider this is Florida. (And most of what is absorbed will be re-radiated.) “Barely insulated” does not describe a normal Florida roof. Only a small percentage of the solar heat would be absorbed, and then the roof is very well air-cooled. It still can get way too hot to stand on with bare feet. This argument was total BS, but Lewan does not question it at all. He does not question Rossi’s blatant deceptions, ever. There were openings in the roof, yes. Several vents, not “large.” Has Lewan looked at the photos? There was a fan on one of the vents. Broken, according to IH testimony. There was a back door that could be opened, but the reactor was allegedly operating at a megawatt, 24/7, and the back was not constantly open and there was no massive air flow noticed by anyone, and massive air flow was necessary, over more than a year of operation.
(3) The claim of 20 to 40 percent of heat “consumed” by endothermic reactions was preposterous. This was examined by many people. Rossi’s alleged product was a few grams of high value material, and a few grams — or even a few kilograms — could only absorb a very small percentage of the heat, even if the reactions were highly endothermic. (If that much heat could actually be stored in chemistry, the resulting material would be extremely dangerous, essentially high explosive.)
Rossi had raised the endothermic argument on JONP in the summer of 2016, as I recall. When it was demolished, when even his devoted followers were agreeing, he then added claims about the vents and back door. He did not mention a heat exchanger, until discovery was about to end in 2017, so no more questions could be asked. Then he claimed to have built the heat exchanger.
After all this, the attorney Lukacs came on board, well-known for negotiating settlements. I’m pretty sure that Lukacs pointed out to Rossi that he had set himself up for a perjury prosecution (which Rossi had mostly avoided!). Rossi, at that point, if he had continued, would have gone very far down. Lukacs, my speculation, knew how to bring this up with Rossi without triggering his paranoia. He didn’t say “Doctor Rossi, you lied.” He would have said something like, “I’m sure you told the truth, of course, but because you kept no receipts and no photos, and other problems that IH will surely point out, this will look bad, bad enough that, yes, I know it’s unfair, but you could go to prison for perjury, that’s the risk you increase by continuing this case. I think I can get a settlement that will not be ruinous. May I negotiate that?”
(And then, Rossi consenting, he went to Pace, the lead IH attorney, and said, “Look, you believe this technology is worthless. How about giving up a worthless technology to induce Rossi to drop this case? Do you really want to spend the next five weeks in this miserable trial, with your daily costs, more than you would be likely to recover, and all the possible negative publicity and uncertainties of outcome? I’ve convinced Rossi that a walk-away would be in his interest. How about it?”
I was in the court when this was negotiated (privately, the trial recessed). I saw the mood of the attorneys. They were practically delirious with joy. Both sides!
To believe the heat exchanger story requires that a whole string of witnesses failed to notice the very noisy continuous operation of that device, with massive fans creating a wind through the warehouse, over the entire period of operation (and before, during start-up in Doral). I understand — I have not seen them — that IH had infrared satellite observations showing no unusual heat flow from the warehouse. This thing would have lit up those images. That’s how the police caught illegal marijuana cultivation, with IR cameras from aircraft, at power levels far below a megawatt.
What all this shows is that Rossi lied, over and over. That does not prove he had no heat, but that he was deceptive, and there were many aspects to this. Essentially, given the levels and extent of deception, the reasons to think he had real heat, of commercial significance, evaporate. Some people still think he may have had some heat at some point. But, for whatever reason or whatever excuse, he became a fraud. And Lewan is complicit in promoting the continuance of it.
I consider that tragic, and, as well, the stonewalling of the Swedish scientists. Scientists have an obligation to correct published errors (journal or not) and to retract unwarranted conclusions. They did not, they never addressed the most obvious critiques. Journalists have similar obligations.
By the way, I wrote “Rossi lied,” but there is a possible exception, and those who know Rossi have agreed that it is possible. Perhaps Rossi believes the things he said. And yes, he would have to be insane. So? Next question?
(This, by the way, helps explain why so many people believed him. He has, perhaps, an intense sincerity!)
Rossi always seemed sincere at Doral that he
might not get it work.
He mentioned many times he might not on his
blog during the test.
At Stockholm he was
sincere and said that the demonstration might be a
flop because of the controller over heating.
Not until after Stockholm
when he got the controller over heating
problem solved did he
show real confidence that
he finally had a product that worked.
Sam, you aren’t getting it. Nothing from Rossi can be trusted without fully independent verification. Period. He says whatever he wants, to create whatever impressions he desires to create. Liar or insane, does it matter?
People who want to believe him simply ignore much of the evidence, looking at only what he wants them to look at. Examples abound. If you don’t want to see them, you won’t.
I just updated http://coldfusioncommunity.net/mats-lewan-interview/
It covers much.
Remember, Rossi claimed he had a megawatt reactor assembly ready for sale in 2011. He claimed in mail to IH that additional megawatt reactors could be built for $200,000, to sell power for $1,000 per megawatt-day. He obtained that reactor back as part of the 2017 Settlement and there were people begging for it or for another. What did he do? He scrapped it. He blamed IH for his lack of development, but, in fact, he used the time with the Doral reactor to develop further “technology.”
He could have sold power, say in Sweden, to heating co-ops, at any time from 2011 on, the IH agreement did not prevent it.
He misrepresented the “right of first refusal” in the IH Agreement to Mats. He could have been making money from sale of power, all this time, if he had a real commercial product. But he didn’t. That alone was a major deception. I.e., even if the reactor generated a megawatt, which it certainly did not, did it require the personal attendance of Rossi to keep it running? I used to call that “Rossi grease,” a very expensive product necessary to make the reactors work.
Or appear to work.
It’s not in doubt. One can argue that maybe the reactor did generate some “excess heat.” But a megawatt, no, not even half that, if that, and probably substantially less. If anything.
The test — this was not, as Rossi claimed, the Guaranteed Performance Test of the IH Agreement, there were many holes in that — was not designed to be clear and definitive, IH monitoring equipment was removed from their reactor by Rossi, etc. The agreement with JMP required them to measure delivered power, and represented them as independent. It was all Rossi masquerade, Rossi did not even bother to present evidence against that, because it became utterly obvious in the trial. The only measure of power depended on Rossi Says. And I could go on and on.
Rossi always displayed “confidence” that he had a product that worked. Yes, a few times — I noticed it! — he expressed some uncertainty. I think it was all for the creation of impressions. Look how humble he is!!!
And his followers lapped it up, and some still do. In mercato veritas, and they think that if Rossi claims that he is going to sell power to independent customers, that is the “market.”
Rossi could actually sell power at a 20% discount for a long time, losing money on each sale but making up for it with new investment. It’s called a Ponzi scheme. As long as Rossi controls what is in the reactor containers, can keep it secret, and unless this continues for a long time and is verified with truly independent customers *as independently verified*, this is not the market deciding, it is a controlled appearance created by one person or team.
The way that Rossi set up Doral, he was going to, through JMP, pay IH about $30,000 per month for a megawatt of steam heat. Given that we know that a megawatt was not actually delivered (nor did JMP have an actual application requiring that much heat), we know that Rossi was willing to spend substantial sums to create a desired appearance.
IH never believed the reports enough to actually invoice JMP. By that time, I’m sure, they had become suspicious. I’m pretty sure they were suspicious even before they signed the agreement, because of the HydroFusion fraud email. But, I have inferred, they had decided to put a clothespin on their nose and find out for sure. Maybe he was just “eccentric.”
And they were also hopeful.
One thing for sure the
Rossi ECat story continues.
How it will end is
It’s pretty easy to guess, but, yes, as with any story as it is impacted by reality, there can be unexpected turns. But this is most likely: Rossi will die, as did Josef Papp, and nobody will be able to create a commercially successful product following his “technology.” And some people will continue believing for a very long time, as they have with John Keeley, who died in 1898, 120 years ago. We know a lot more about Rossi! What is utterly shocking to me about Lewan is that he has actually written that there is “no evidence” of fraud. Sure.
If we wrap our heads with blankets and listen only to Rossi, there is no evidence! Point to it! You are pointing to it? I don’t see it! Where is it!
After the enormous discussion about the capacity of the pumps used, I found the really obvious evidence to support the Smith report that Rossi ridiculed. Those pumps are metering pumps, not ordinary centrifugal pumps where capacity will vary greatly with pressure. (This is covered on the page here, linked above, about that Rossi interview.) The maximum pump setting will produce 32 liters per hour at 2 bar back pressure. Lower the pressure to 1 bar, they will produce a bit more. I extrapolated this to 0 bar, and came up with 40 liters per hour. The actual pressure is not known. There must be some pressure! (pressure increases inside a boiler!).
Nobody seems to have noticed that the specification is a maximum *setting*, which can be varied below that, not above. And that there can be something as simple as that, which nobody notices, shows how frauds can fool even experts. (Someone may have noticed this, I do think that it’s been mentioned that these were metering pumps, and lack of mention does not actually mean lack of notice.. But it is very difficult to find anything on Lenr-Forum, it is a terrible place to create content. There are no organizational tools, or if there are, they are not being used.)
If Alan Fletcher found above 40 liters per hour for his pump, he likely created forward pressure with his setup. 1 bar forward might shift it to 44 l/hr. I did not find his final report, it is buried in something like a thousand posts to that thread. For a metering pump to pump more than specified is a *failure mode*! That is, there would also be an accuracy specification.
The Rossi setup, if running in “self-sustain mode,” depends entirely on cooling rate to limit output, if the pump cannot supply enough water for evap cooling to keep the temperature at the desired value, it will heat beyond that. The reactors would melt down if 18 reactors, in that period, were supplying a megawatt total. This, then, supports the “room calorimeter” evidence, that a megawatt is an impossible figure in that context, without a heat exchanger, therefore something is defective about the Penon calorimetry, and there are many possibilities for that. This calorimetry was obviously utterly inadequate to assess performance for an award of $89 million!
Problem with this is the story, if you feel you need to write a novel to support it then your device obviously aint working. A contraption like that would sell itself.
But hey, if you have problems making the e-cat work, why dont you sell your “portable neutrino detector” instead?
Some of them guys driving around in pick up trucks are
good workers.They work cheap.Got to watch for the
fraudsters in pick up trucks.
Sam, you are teetering on the edge of total incoherence. Who is warning about fraudsters in pickup trucks? And didn’t Rossi drive a Cadillac? I don’t remember. Rossi claimed to have hired some “guys who drive around in pickup trucks,” and didn’t know who they were, and that story was questioned, but not because of any idea that frauds drive around in pickup trucks, but rather that someone who claims to have purchased construction materials for a massive heat exchanger and hired people to install them, and had no receipts or other evidence, and nobody saw it, whereas it would have been noisy as hell and very visible, just might be . . . I know this is difficult for you, Sam, it could be taken as insulting your religion . . . LYING.
When I was a kid I used to like riding around in my older brothers 1968 ford
pick up truck.One day he told
me the finance company was
going to seize the truck because he was behind in payments.I offered to pay out
of my savings and got to keep
riding around in that pickup truck.So when you mentioned the guys in the pick up truck I think I just
My comments about guys in trucks were in no way a criticism of them or an insult. It was plausible that Rossi would use such people for a manual job. What was not so plausible was that he would keep no records, not even of thousands of dollars in materials. No, it didn’t happen. There was no heat exchanger (other than the JMP processing system, not relevant, though originally Rossi claimed that the heat was dissipated by an endothermic process.) He could get away with insanity like that with his fans, but not in court! He had to make up another reason why everyone just didn’t die from the heat. What is really remarkable is that Mats Lewan seems to have swallowed it. Mats, I suspect, realized that if he read the court documents, he’d be out of his privileged access to Rossi, besides it would look too much like work.
Do Mats and Planet Rossi realize that he’s been lying to them, over and over? It seems they do, at least sometimes but then justify it. He has to lie because blah, blah.
If he had not been lying, he’d be a billionaire by now. He had attracted people who were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, very far, even after they knew he had lied about some things. And they had access to about $200 million, and if they could have made reactors that worked– and he had years to teach them how to do it, and they made the Lugano devices — they could have raised more, much more. And quickly. All it would have taken was some independent tests, but all actually independent tests found nothing. Only some tests with Rossi having his fingers all over them (like Lugano) seemed to show some power. The Doral “test” was obviously fake, because of that little power dissipation problem, for starters. If there was any excess power there at all, it was far, far less than claimed, and the only evidence that there was any power came from Rossi’s team, no independent observation by an engineer allowed.
Its all up to the market now whether Rossi product ( E-Cat SK)
is genuine.He claims he is now selling heat using the product
and any customer can come forward and comment on it.
I give him to the end of the year to have a Legit customer
to come forward.
I think you missed the point, Sam. Rossi made the same claim in 2016, that he was selling heat to a customer. That’s not in doubt, and it’s not in doubt that it was a fake customer, but it’s simply being ignored by Planet Rossi and Mats Lewan.
Sure, it’s up to the market. It always was up to the market. You can “give him” a year, but why should the rest of us give him anything?
Added Update with link to and discussion of new Rossi theory paper published on ResearchGate.
Abd – Mats has tied his income to Rossi, and it’s hard to get people to admit they’re wrong when their income depends on a lie. You’ll see the same problem with several other Big Lies around the world at the moment. People working on climate don’t get grants unless they subscribe to the idea that CO2 controls the temperature of the planet, whereas the data says otherwise. We’re told that socialism’s failures are because it’s never been done correctly, and that this time it will work despite evidence to the contrary from Venezuela. It’s hard to change peoples’ opinions by showing them the data – until they change their beliefs nothing else changes. Scientists are supposed to treat the actual data as transcendent over beliefs, but since they are human that often doesn’t happen, and data is sometimes massaged to make it agree with the beliefs.
I doubt if I’ll waste the time watching the “demo”. Rossi has done this too many times before and messed up on the measurements. In the case of the QuackX, he didn’t even measure the input power, but managed to persuade enough people that the measurement he did publish was equivalent to that. The history of inconclusive/bad measurements will no doubt be continued, since Rossi has found that it works on a sufficient percentage of people to be worthwhile, and gets enough people to “invest”.
Rinse and repeat….