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Re: ED eats itself (again)
ericbarbour wrote:Daniel Brandt wrote:PS: found on the TJC, a fresh new example of Oliver Smith and Mikemikev screaming at each other. Ugh. Get a room, you idiotos.
I’d noticed Oliver’s contributions as Evil, restoring the only mention of “Abd ul-Rahman Lomax” on the site, last I looked. All that had come down in late 2017 and early 2018. There is distinct difference between Mikemikev and Oliver. Miki is a racist troll, Oliver is just an insane troll. Oliver is substantially more persistent than Mike. Much of what he wrote there is either lies or insanity. ED went back up October 7, 2019, from the account creation log, creation times. Contributions are linked. Judgments from edits and timing are mine. Corrections, especially with evidence, welcome.
03:24, 12 October 2019 Evil [Oliver] week block 06:42, 12 October 2019
12:27, 12 October 2019 Evil2 [Oliver] indef bl. 14:41, 12 October 2019
13:11, 12 October 2019 Evil3 [Oliver] indef bl. 06:42, 12 October 2019
18:28, 12 October 2019 Mikemikev1488 [Mikemikev — likely] indef 18:45, 12 October 2019
19:57, 12 October 2019 EDadminsarekikes [Mikemikev — possible] indef 20:13, 12 October 2019
18:42, 13 October 2019 Evil4 [Oliver] indef. 14:52, 14 October 2019
19:36, 13 October 2019 UnblockMikemikev indef 20:05, 13 October 2019
01:04, 14 October 2019 The Adolf Hitler indef 01:57, 14 October 2019
01:19, 14 October 2019 Mikemikev Legion indef 01:57, 14 October 2019
01:29, 14 October 2019 Mikemikev Kike Destroyer indef 01:58, 14 October 2019
01:34, 14 October 2019 Himmler indef 01:59, 14 October 2019
19:54, 17 October 2019 Mikemikev 88 ? indef 21:42, 17 October 2019
19:59, 17 October 2019 Mikemikev will shut down ED [not blocked]
20:04, 17 October 2019 Antifa Cuck Yellowbird indef 21:41, 17 October 2019
20:07, 17 October 2019 User account ED pathological liars indef 20:53, 17 October 2019
20:13, 17 October 2019 Mikemikev destroys antifa bastards indef 21:37, 17 October 2019
11:24, 29 October 2019 RapMetalSucks [not blocked]
17:17, 6 November 2019 MrAlex [not blocked]
23:01, 7 November 2019 Mr Green [Oliver probable] [no block]
23:36, 12 November 2019 Mikemikev2019 indef 23:41, 12 November 2019
23:41, 12 November 2019 FakeAbd [renamed from Abd — I was asked] [not blocked]
23:49, 12 November 2019 Fuck racists indef 23:53, 12 November 2019
23:54, 12 November 2019 Mikemikev owns you [no contr.] indef 23:54, 12 November 2019
23:56, 12 November 2019 Steve Coons [not blocked]
23:58, 12 November 2019 Up urs indef 00:00, 13 November 2019
00:06, 13 November 2019 Graaf Statler [not blocked]
01:57, 13 November 2019 Abd [this is actually me]. [no contr.] [not blocked]
01:46, 23 November 2019 Mikemikev2020 indef 02:05, 23 November 2019
00:14, 26 November 2019 ODS [Oliver] blocked 00:56, 26 November 2019
02:11, 26 November 2019 ODSII [Oliver] indef 02:35, 26 November 2019
02:45, 26 November 2019 ODSIII [no contr.] [Oliver] indef 02:52, 26 November 2019
02:56, 26 November 2019 TRFan [Oliver] indef 03:02, 26 November 2019
13:15, 26 November 2019 TR [Oliver] indef 16:16, 26 November 2019
00:03, 28 November 2019 TRII [Oliver]
Key: clearly Oliver D. Smith / likely Mikemikev. / impersonations & trollsocks
It is possible that some accounts identified as trollsocks or impersonations were actually Mikemikev. I have not reviewed all contributions in detail.
[I wrote “possible.” Mikemikev commented below that these were not him. With that, I now consider it unlikely that any of the accounts were him, including the ones marked “likely.” Reviewing them, they don’t match known Mikemikev behavior.]
These patterns are very familiar. When a Smith target actually edits, they will bury it with impersonations and trollsocks. The accounts that registered in proximity to the fake Abd are quite unlikely to be Mikemikev. The long-term impersonation and troll-socker was Oliver’s brother, Darryl L. Smith, but it is possible that Oliver has taken up the behavior.
And now, the upshot: in the RationalWiki article on me, one of the proofs that I’m a troll was that I was banned on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Now the proof will be that I am not blocked on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
(I was never banned, but one account was blocked for a time, unblocked before the site went down. Oliver has been indef blocked on maybe hundreds of accounts. I don’t recall the level of trollsocking seen here, from before. It was just Oliver insisting on “never gonna shut me up.” Mikemikev accounts showed up, and were clearly identifiable. Once or twice Darryl showed up. Clear, not denied until much later.)
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I’m not sure the Nate Spidgewood accounts were really Nate either, likely an impersonator; so JT should also check-user those.
I’m certainly not going to ask ED admins to checkuser anyone. They tend to be a bit edgy. But you know who could ask. Checkuser on WMF wikis confirmed that the troll master wasn’t you. And that is a major evidence that when you claimed it was all you, it wasn’t. I highly recommend living with the truth, trusting the truth, it is the only safety. Anything else is illusory, transient, unreliable, and dangerous to sanity.
I’ve requested a check-user. A mod should give JT temporarily CU ability to check all these accounts. You should have just asked for this instead of resorting to sheer speculation. The only account I’m convinced are Mike (excluding the blatent anti-Semite socks) is “Evil4” since it tries to ridicule me for toy collecting, actually something only Mike would write and is taken out of context anyway.
Science begins with speculation. Continued observation confirms, rejects, or suspends judgment until more evidence is available. Looks likely I was correct about the only definitive identifications. And checkuser would be useless, nearly all Smith brother comments I’ve seen, where IP is known, have used open proxies or TOR nodes. TOR nodes even hide user agent. However, there is still edit timing, which cannot be concealed. And there are many behavioral clues. And, to top it off, you have lied and then lied about lying, again many times. You create your future with what you choose.
I’ve never used a TOR, open proxies or VPN, ever. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying or at least mistaken. This is why a checkuser can easily distinguish my accounts.
In contrast, Mikemikev uses TOR and VPNs to conceal his socks:
Mikemikev Disqus• 2015
“I’ve been hammering rationalwiki regularly for years. My IP is banned and I can’t be bothered loading torbrowser at the moment.”
In fact, RationalWiki banned TOR because of Mike. There was an old thread made about this.
Oliver, I’ve never claimed you used TOR or open proxies. You and your brother created confusion way back then between the two of you, and you have amplified that by claiming you were lying about the brother, because I know for a fact that “AP socks” have used these. So which is it? No matter how you slice it, you lied. The pattern of massive trollsocking was not yours. You do create a lot of accounts when you have something to express and you are blocked. That’s not exactly trolling. Until and unless you come clean about what has actually been happening, what you know about, you will continue to be splattered with tar from the same brush.
Just to point out I’m not “Evil2” / “Evil3” / “Evil 4”. I always find amusing when you falsely accuse me of impersonating Mikemikev (with no evidence), when I’m the person actually being impersonated. The “Evil4” account looks like Mike talking to himself nonsensically on his article talk page – I certainly wouldn’t have posted anything about toys.
This is likely the real Oliver D. Smith. I have not accused him of impersonating Mikemikev, only that accounts pretending to be Mike (like many impersonating me) are impersonations. In the past, the likely impersonator was Darryl L. Smith, whom Oliver claims was a deception he created years ago to avoid block on Wikipedia. His brother is fully capable of these fakes, and would use whatever tropes are handy. Including the boglins. I wrote before that because he tolerates it, he is responsible for his brother’s behavior. It is trivial to imitate blatant anti-semitism. Fun for a troll, even.
We all know Mikemikev’s online persona is an anti-Semite and ‘neo-Nazi’ (he’s self-described himself as the latter) so what’s the point in impersonating him to post these things he already does? It’s a waste of time. I don’t need to impersonate Mike to show he’s an anti-Semite online; there’s already tuns of evidence for the latter and its well documented.
In my case though, Mikemikev and/or other trolls have impersonated me in the sense of using my name/pretending to be me, but post blatant falsehoods such as me being an SJW, communist or Antifa. How this differs to the alleged Mikemikev impersonations (who is an actual anti-Semite), is that I’m none of these things. In other words, this is far more harmful and malicious.
Yes, Mikemikev is open about that. What’s the point? The point is that it’s not him on ED with the accounts above, he is being impersonated. The same argument could be made about the accounts impersonating me as a supporter of cold fusion. What would be the point? It is done to stir up site admin. You also imagine that trollsocks are accusations of any weight at all. You know that an account was not you, if it was not you. Very simple to deny account ownership. However, you would not know that therefore it was Mikemikev, and especially because your brother creates genuine impersonations (accounts intended to be identified with the target, to smear the target), as well as trolling impersonations (like some of the accounts listed). An account “Abd” registered and edited the Coombs article. That wasn’t me (confirmed by our friend MDS). Do you think that Mikemikev would do this? In fact, when I first encountered the AP sock family, there was an effort to convince me that it was Mikemikev. Absolutely preposterous, no motive at all. Oliver, your on-line persona is totally effed. And some of that is actually your brother’s doing.
And who was Schizophreniac? It becomes a twisted web, Oliver. I think there is only one person on the planet who would have written that bio, which defended your views with arguments unlikely to come from anyone else. If it was an impersonation, it was drastically unlike any other. Yet it fits as being your account, in many ways.
Do I know that Mikemikev is telling the truth? No, not as a fact, but as an inference from his behavior, as to what I’ve seen. Most people will tell the truth (as to what they believe), most of the time, unless a critical interest is involved, then YMMV. Some don’t. Unfortunately, you have created conditions where, verifiably, we know you lied. The only way forward from this is to come clean, completely clean. Just the truth, just the facts. Just what you know, kept distinct from your conclusions.
None of them are me.
Got it. Plausible. None of them actually look like you. Thanks.