Authentic Darryl Smith on himself

A kind reader supplied me with a link to an archive of deleted material on the Smiths. This was from late 2016, long before I had any awareness of the Smith brothers (and only a dim awareness of one of the Wikipedia socks of Darryl L. Smith, GoblinFace).

The material is exactly what I’d expect from Darryl, in an unguarded moment. It confirms my own conclusions from research. I can imagine that someone familiar with this research, by myself and others, could write such a thing, but it would be a piece of work, and why would it be done? (though the only persons likely to have that knowledge could not have done it in 2016). If this was impersonation, as Oliver claims, it is by far the most skillful impersonation I’ve ever encountered. No, I consider this clearly Darryl, the arguments would be his, and the facts rarely known. At that point, there was substantial skepticism that there were actually two brothers. Later, Oliver played on this by claiming that it was all him, but this was blatantly deceptive, probably attempting to protect his brother (and requiring that very much he had written before was lying, not merely false).

The only way that the brothers could have covered up the deception would have been to, using technical terms, “effing shut up and effing stay shut up.” They did not, and defamation and, yes, illegal activity, still continues.

The material: Talk:Oliver D. Smith/Connecting the dots, edit of  18:27, 27 November 2016 (to deleted page, by Iambic,  Oliver D. Smith, replying to Lulzkiller, who rejected the post by Skeptic, Darryl L. Smith). What “Skeptic” had written:

Request to delete this page please read

What Oliver has said about the brothers is true. I have not appeared anywhere in relation to this anywhere until now so I will only type one message here, please read this.
Oliver has written a lot. What Oliver had written was, at least sometimes, true, but misleading. That is, it was not the whole truth. Because of the Wikipedia history, and other events, the brothers had become confused, and it appears that this confusion was encouraged. So, then, Oliver could claim “I was not that account,” and it could be completely true. But if he knows that it was his brother, and he would often know that it was not the whole truth, and Oliver often frames the possibly false statements of others as “lies.” Which would be a lie! He would know that there was some truth to them, and that the writer was merely confused.
Skeptic, by the way, would be a standard Darryl L. Smith sock name. Many of his names have “Skeptic” in them. An impersonator might also use Skeptic, to be sure, but no impersonator exists who could have written, in 2016, what Skeptic here so clearly expresses. I have other “semi-open” writings from Darryl, and the style and sense is identical.
I understand that Oliver for the last 3 years has had a personal internet battle with a guy called mikemikev. JuniusThaddeus seems to have got involved in this as well and it has been going on for years now.
Pretty much all the accounts listed by JuniusThaddeus are accurate.
Nice. Later, Darryl and Oliver dismiss, on RationalWiki, documentation on this, as the “paranoid Smith brothers conspiracy theory.”
I am not denying they belong to us, I only own the skeptic accounts on wikipedia and rationalwiki, it’s pretty easy to see which ones are mine, the ones debunking spiritualism, fraudulent mediums, alternative medicine, pseudoscience, quacks etc.
Notice that, later, he actually created an account, “Debunking spiritualism,” that was made sysop. This account was obviously Darryl. It went out in a blaze of attempts to delete embarrassing material, and then retired and then a new account was creating that the account had been hacked. This is extremely unlikely, it is merely that the account revealed too much, including about the “family,” clearly identifying himself as Oliver’s brother — as Oliver had previously referred to him on RatWiki. Darryl decided to bail, and the new account and Oliver blamed it on … me, and the RatWikians appear to have believed that.
One thing the Smiths have been very good at is demonstrating how idiotic a wiki community can be.
The reason Oliver denied owning the skeptic accounts is because they belong to me. He doesn’t want the skeptic accounts under his name for some reason. He does not identify as a skeptic.
Right. He uses RatWiki to pursue an antifascist agenda, attacking people who believe as he apparently once believed. He has a number of times stated that he does not agree with the general RatWiki politics. The brothers are similar in that.
A long time ago when I was in my teens I was a believer in paranormal phenomena, even endorsing various silly things like ancient aliens on wikipedia.
Yes, he stated that in a comment on the Wikipedia Anglo Pyramidologist SPI case.
Over the years I started to realise it was all nonsense after I went to university, based on wishful thinking or the result of fraud or self-deception and I became a skeptic. I debunked a lot of people and things on both rationalwiki and wikipedia.
Unfortunately, “debunking” is generally pseudoskeptical. I see no sign that Darryl L. Smith ever developed enough understanding of science to write from a genuine skeptical perspective, and I’ve seen him reject genuine science because it conflicted with his own ignorant concepts.
I regret creating the rationalwiki pages I have to to dislike rationalwiki it is not an academic website or as professional as Wikipedia. But I disagree that they are ‘hit’ pages.
Partially incoherent, possible typo. Some are hit pages, and were created, at least in some cases, as revenge. My article was clearly so, and Darryl had, through a sock puppet, threatened retaliation for my exposing his impersonations of another user. The argument here is exactly what I’d expect from Darryl.
All the criticisms I made of creationists, parapsychologists or of fraudulent spiritualist mediums, ancient astronaut proponents etc were sourced to scientific or skeptic publications.
At this point, he had not encountered my work, and his attacks on me and some others were not of what he describes above. He admits, below, another “criticism” that doesn’t fall into these categories. Yes, he sources his articles, generally. However, sources have often been cherry-picked, because the RatWiki general agenda is snark, not balance. That is standard pseudoskepticism, and would not have led to my involvement. Rather, it was impersonation-to-defame, and, to a lesser extent, long-term sock puppetry and “attack socks,” SPAs or IPs that only edit to attack.
I honestly cannot workout the obsession with my skeptic edits on wikipedia or rationalwiki. What business is it of anyone here? I don’t get it.
The wikis are public and what happens on them is of public interest. What business is it of Darryl that so-and-so is interested in or a believer in, say, parapsychology? Darryl, creating those articles, he calls them “skeptic edits,” scours the internet for dirt, what is popular on RationalWiki, things that make the target look like a crank, and documents them on RW, attacking the person by their real name. And outing any accounts they attempt to use to correct articles. As well as outing anyone who attempts to intervene (sometimes correctly, sometimes not). And he wonders why people are interested in clarifying the situation? Some people documenting the Smiths have been heavily attacked by them, some were more neutral. I did not start out because I was attacked, but because someone else was attacked and the academic freedom of Wikiversity was attacked. And that attack became more intense and was supported by some Wikipedians, who happened to be long-term POV pushers there, one of whom was site banned for a couple of years for it. The other was reprimanded by the Arbitration Committee out of … his clearly improper actions, and his refusal to correct them when I suggested it. At that point, the whole faction came after me.
RationalWiki took a general, so-called “rational skeptic” position, before Darryl, but it was not dedicated to exposing every crank or fringe believer. It became so, largely because of Darryl’s work. And there is a pattern: Darryl creates an attack article, the target shows up, and eventually realizes that the creator of the article has been creating many such articles through extensive serial socking, and says so. The target is then banned for “doxxing” — even if this is not actually doxxing, i.e., doesn’t mention the RL names. And such bans are often by a Darryl sock.
(But sometimes they do mention “Smith”, and sometimes, even, Smith socks have themselves pointed to the “Smith brothers theory” to ridicule it. As well, many impersonation socks appear as vandals and attacking RationalWiki users, pretending to be the target. Meanwhile, Darryl and Oliver retire their accounts and start new ones to continue the same. )
Millions of people edit Wikipedia. I am essentially a nobody. Nothing I have done on the internet is illegal.
He is now notable, by RatWiki standards, except he is protected there. So he is covered elsewhere, such as on Encyclopedia Dramatica or lolocow or other sites. The claim of “nothing illegal” might possibly have been true in 2016. It became untrue in 2017. Impersonation socking to defame is illegal. It is a form of harassment, and is illegal specifically where the Smith brothers live, assuming that they both still live in the U.K.
I may have upset people by debunking their nonsensical beliefs on wiki websites but there is no crime in this. The majority of the stuff I add is sourced, it is not my own opinion.
Material exists in sorucess, which is then used to create an image, and that image may go far outside what is actually in the sources. Again, this is quite what I would expect from Darryl. By the way, such an agenda would be a violation, not of law, but of Wikipedia policy, as blatant “POV-pushing.” With biographies of living people, it can be an additional violation. However, there is a whole faction on Wikipedia with that agenda, and it has often gotten away with it. In addition, there is an organization more or less dedicated to this, which may be violating policy against off-wiki coordination, and there is substantial evidence that Darryl has been paid to serve that agenda.  Again, that is not illegal in itself, but if people have been defamed by a Smith brother who was funded, the organization and its organizers could become liable for defamation.
The idea that if a statement is sourced, it is therefore true and proper, is insane. You can find sources for almost any position. Sanity (and encyclopedic wiki neutrality) involves considering the full range of sources and balancing them, and on a wiki, ideally, this is done through consensus. But the faction acts, often, to arrange the ban of anyone with contrary opinions, and has developed skill in accomplishing this. RatWiki is practically a parody of it. The same thing happens on Wikipedia, just a bit less obviously.
Oliver holds a minority of fringe academic views and he has got me banned on wikipedia numerous times for causing trouble on there. They then checkuser our location and my accounts come up. There is not much I can do about that.
That’s deceptive. There is a great deal that he could do and could have done. Darryl could have exposed his brother’s activities instead of waiting until he accidentally got caught. Here, he doesn’t state it, but he is claiming that his brother lied when his brother claimed that most of the accounts were his twin brother.
I have not yet done an overall analysis of accounts. Most RatWiki accounts, though, appear to have been Darryl, my rough impression. Especially when the transient attack and impersonation socks are included. I know that Darryl does engage in this massive socking. As well, if someone was impersonating them in doing this, a proactive response would have been to immediately confront it and disavow — and support the targets against whoever was causing the disruption. I have never seen that happen. No, the attack socks are going after people Darryl or Oliver consider as enemies. Darryl on RatWiki has often blocked them, but …. the timing, when I’ve looked, indicates to me that he also created them. He also, as Debunking spiritualism, attributed many attack socks to me, when he would know that they were not me. He was obsessed with me, based on his edits to my article there. He would know exactly what was me and what was, instead, displaying a very different pattern.
I am not very much active on the website anymore, I ran out of things to debunk.
He may have slowed, I have not yet analyzed this. But he became intensely active there, after he attacked Wikiversity and me.
Dan Skeptic, DinoCris were me.
That was obvious. That is, Dan Skeptic was an earlier name of GoblinFace, tagged on Wikipedia as an AP sock from checkuser. DinoCrisis was an early RationalWiki account.
As were the other skeptic accounts on Wikipedia. Oliver does not know anything about parapsychology, his interest has always been history, mythology etc.
Right. This was how I have distinguished the accounts, already.
The only controversial thing I have ever done is create a rationalwiki article on Rome Viharo.
Bingo. This was late 2016. Darryl’s anti-parapsychology obsession led him into attacking the Wikiversity resource on parapsychology, and going after the single major active user there, who occasionally socked on Wikipedia, with massive impersonation socking to induce Wikipedians to attack the Wikiversity user and the educational resource the user was working on (a collection of sources). It worked. Wiki users can be effing naive. If an new account says “I am Banned User, I’m showing what idiots you are on Wikiversity, and you can’t do anything about it!” they believe it. It’s one thing to block the account — that would be obvious — but quite another to go after than person, now under his real name, and attack his work as “cross-wiki disruption.” Which is what happened.
As to the Rome Viharo article creator, This could be Dave1234, who created a redirect there, or Debunker, who actually wrote the first article. Both were very likely Darryl, from other contributions.
He is a troll I came across under my account Dan Skeptic on wikipedia.
And, of course, when Viharo claimed Smith brother involvement, that was cited as proving he was a troll.
Since then Rome Viharo has targeted Oliver who has immaturely done things on various websites and forums to retaliate, even on this website. There is not much we can do about this, but 90% of it is all deleted.
It is quite unlikely that Oliver created the impersonation socks on Wikipedia, targeting a student of parapsychology and his studies on Wikiversity. Steward checkuser also identified the socks that massively attacked my documentation of those impersonations and the Single-purpose accounts that followed, as being all the same user. It is very unlikely that this was accidental IP coincidence, it was extended, and we know that the Smiths often have used open proxies; by this time, late 2017, that became routine.
Oliver no longer is interested in creating blogs or websites about Rome Viharo’s abuse. He wants it all deleted.
Ah, but was that Oliver? Why would Oliver have been interested in Rome Viharo in 2016? Maybe if Rome was starting to document what had happened to him, and believed that Dan Skeptic was Oliver. At that point, there was no information about “Darryl L. Smith,” if I’m correct.
JuniusThaddeus says he wants a photograph. I’m sorry I am not doing that. I am in full time employment, I have a job and am in a relationship. I don’t want my personal details up or name slandered and pictures put up about me. I have the right to remain anonymous on the internet.
By doxxing others, which the Smiths have done, and by their mutual tolerance and failure to stop it, both become responsible and the right to privacy vanishes when it is abused. Obviously, though, Darryl has no obligation to provide photos, nor to identify which brother is which in old photos. These are twin brothers, but I don’t know if they are identical.
We are not blaming anyone here at ED for being our accounts, they belong to us. Oliver has made the mistake of blaming JuniusThaddeus for these accounts because he can’t mention my name so just decided to blame him. He doesn’t want the skeptic stuff under his name. There is not much I can do about it.
That’ s a disclaimer of responsibility, when there is much that he could do. Oliver, by the way, has taken a similar position that he is not responsible for what his brother does. That is a shallow and self-serving opinion. We are responsible, in reality, for what we allow in those close to us. If we help them cover up, say, illegal activity, we can be committing a crime ourselves in that.
Oliver in the past has made a lot of mistakes. He regrets joining metapedia. He was associated with the BNP briefly. He used to believe that biological races are real. He no longer holds these positions and since turned the opposite debunking the idea of race.
Yes. (and I have seen evidence for all of this.) However, from my point of view, his fundamental position remained the same. He’s a hater, and simply changed targets.
Oliver does not have schizophrenia, he made that up because he fell out with mikemikev and metapedia so wanted to make them look bad but it back-fired.
Notice the theme, this is repeated. It is claimed that “schizophrenia” was a lie., but, then, it is admitted that it was a lie created by a Smith brother to make others look bad. And then that they repeat what the Smith brother wrote, they are called liars, because it is “false.” I see in Oliver definite signs of deranged behavior, but I have also seen this in Darryl. If it is schizophrenia, which it could be, that tends to run in families and if they are identical twins, it could show up in both, and even if they merely shared their mother at the same time. There is other evidence of mental disorder, with different names. In the cloud of confusion created by years of deception, I consider none of this reliable. However, I do conclude that this present comment is from Darryl, it fits far to well to be an impersonation, as Oliver will claim.
As for JuniusThaddeus unfortunately he now has a large grudge against Oliver and stalks him across the internet.
And this is mind-reading.  Junius Thaddeus has suffered real-life harassment from Oliver, apparently. Junius is a person who researches topics that seize his interest. Now, consider my article on RationalWiki. When that article appeared, after what may have been weeks of research, I was amazed at how much had been found, by someone obviously “stalking me across the internet.” “Stalking” is what RatWikians do to write articles on people. Apparently they think that this is okay if the person is a “crank.” But not if they are fine upstanding citizens like … like themselves, of course.
They can doxx others all they want on RationalWiki and it is mostly tolerated or even encouraged there. But if anyone doxxes them, on RationalWiki or elsewhere, they act to ban the person on RatWiki for “doxxing RationalWiki users,” even when they are the only users whose identities are revealed.
For example uploading those recent pictures of Oliver is not very fair. Oliver now wants to move on in his life I have spoken to him about this and he agrees. He is going to cease all internet communications with mikemikev, Rome Viharo and all these other people like Lulzkiller (above) who posts on lolcows.
I have found that promises from the Smith brothers are utterly useless, whether or not they are lies.
Regarding certain beliefs, Olvier used to hold various views and changes his position over time, this is perfectly natural. Like myself he is embarrassed about some of his former beliefs. Change happens.
Yes, it does. But some changes are superficial, like changing from hating, say, other races, to hating racists. It’s still hate, and the approach is still the same: expose and debunk and defame — and lie and hide and sock and impersonate if that helps “the cause.”
Apparently users here seem to think we have to stay static all our lives. Some of the skeptics I greatly admire started out as believers in things but shifted their position drastically over the years. Like I said this is natural.
It is.
Oliver was embarrassed about his posts when he was 14 or 15 years old on the tomb raider forum so it is natural he would deny them. Don’t we all posts stupid things when we are young? I think it is ridiculous that this sort of thing has ended up here at ED. Nobody cares about it and it is not funny.
It is natural to change views, and natural that adolescents will do something embarrassing. And others even older. However, it is not necessarily natural to deny that it ever happened. Basically, Darryl is here making excuses for his brother for lying.
As for lolcows website that now stalks Oliver it contains deliberate falsehoods to try and annoy him.
Yes. That’s lolcow. So? Nobody looks to the lolcow wiki for reliable information. The Smith brothers have done all this in spades and it is done routinely on RationalWiki.
Encyclopedia Dramatica is also for lulz, it is a satire and parody site, with some underlying actual research. Indeed, that’s what is done on RationalWiki, but with a veneer of serious intention enough to fool readers, as it did with media about Emil Kirkegaard in January 2018, with all that being solicited by Oliver contacting media.
I use nothing from those sites without careful independent verification. However, the page being discussed here was a sober account of investigation, essentially the personal testimony of Junius Thaddeus. It is as reliable as he is. Over the years, I have found him trustworthy. I still personally verify everything and don’t use ED as if a “reliable source.”
Oliver is not a peadophile or attracted to children in anyway shape or form. His biggest enemy is peadophiles and the sexually immoral, he even used this website in the past and another to attack a peadohpile and warn people about them. It is slander to call someone a peadophile when they are not one and you have no evidence.
That’s correct, and Oliver has done exactly that. This is not actually arguable.
My request here is for this page to be deleted.
And why? It’s a personal account of a study. It is not actually an attack, just a history, and in this request, Darryl admits it is basically accurate. By the way, Darryl and Oliver also sought to delete my meta LTA study, and forum-shopped until they got the answer they wanted. It was, by that time, completely unnecessary, having long been moved to my blog.
The Smiths attempt to hide, even as their actual activity created a great deal of attention. The intense attacks actually convinced me that there was more to this than appeared at first, i.e., some isolated pseudoskeptical fanatic. I’m still uncovering what actually happened, and how deep this goes and who is involved. It is not just the Smith brothers, who are what I have called “attack dogs.” There are those who use attack dogs.
1. Nobody is blaming ED for owning our Wikipedia or rationalwiki accounts. We created them. But many of these skeptic accounts belong to me not Oliver. So it is actually false and not factual to say they are his.
They are “Smith brothers” accounts. So what would be appropriate is to make that clear. Eventually, that was, indeed, made clear. When Oliver Smith actually wrote me, from an account known to be his by public usage, he made statements that confirm what is written above.
However, when I documented “Anglo Pyramidologist socks,” using the Wikipedia name for the sock puppet investigations, and being quite clear that these were likely two brothers (and maybe more), the studies were still attacked as lies. This, again, is typical for AP socks: instead of correcting errors, they want it all deleted. When I asked Oliver, in those emails, to detail which accounts were his and which were his brother, he declined. Too much trouble, was his excuse. Okay, but in that case he remains responsible, as a collective responsibility.
2. Oliver’s mental health has deteriorated and he wants to move on with his life. JuniusThaddeus has been angry but seems to have an unhealthy obsession with stalking Oliver. I request for this to stop and everyone just move on with their lives.
Again, this is what I expect Darryl to say. The Smiths create massive disruption and then want everyone to just forget about it and move on. And some do. And then they repeat the pattern with others, and the damage grows and gets deeper.
3. Oliver at the end of the day is also a nobody, this page exists because of his personal feud with JuniusThaddeus.
This is obviously not true now, but he could reasonably have alleged that, then. Junius Thaddeus did delete the page, and others restored it. Junius retired from his documentation crusade, and why? It simply became too much for him, and this is quoted in the current Oliver D. Smith article:
“I didn’t realize what I was getting into when I decided to document the activities of a psychopath. It’s just too much.” —JuniusThaddeus who regrets encountering Oliver
I understand. I had no idea what all this would lead to. I was being heavily threatened, but am not easily persuaded by threats. (I’ve been internet-active, in controversial areas, where real people actually get assassinated, and there are real fanatics, and I have received bomb threats.) Threats on the meta wiki were from Darryl, I’m reasonably certain, and Oliver has confirmed that, my opinion. These are serious bullies, who do what they accuse others of, attack by Google.
What’s it like when you have a business meeting, and you are asked about your RationalWiki article? What’s it like when you have a woman friend, and her children confront her about her friend, based on believing what is in the RationalWiki article? What’s it like when one is covered in major media as a “pedophile” or “child rape apologist” when this is based on insane interpretations in the RationalWiki article on you, and has never been your position or activity, and was nothing more than out-of-context interpretations of what you actually wrote? What’s it like when your mother is fired from her job because Oliver Smith wrote her employer? These have all actually happened to Smith targets.
I decided that I could take the heat, and …. I’m not dead yet. I will be, soon enough. It’s a challenge. I need to write legal documents, filings or pleadings, which I haven’t done for years. It’s a pain in the ass. I’ll do it anyway. Back to Darryl:
I think it is silly to have three pages here at ED dedicated to him and unfair, and it is getting freaky the stalking behavior. This is Junius’s personal grudge war. I would appreciate if this page could be deleted. Like I said I have owned up to these accounts which were actually mine not Oliver’s. Nobody is saying they belong to ED.
Oliver wants to move on with his life. I have spoken to him and he will not longer communicate with JuniusThaddeus, Mikemikev, post on forums, blogs, reddit or any of the other immature things he was doing. He wants to move on with his life and he is involved with a job now.
When Oliver wrote to me this year, expressing the same desire, I told him the way forward was clear: disclose everything about all the disruption he has created, just what he knows and actually did, and, as well what he knows about his brother. If his brother were to do that, the entire mess could be cleaned up. As it is, the brothers have created real-world responses. It may be more than they can clean up, but they could take a stand and support the cleanup, fully. They could, for example, apologize to me and to the WikIMedia foundation for any deceptive implications in what they wrote (and they were complainants who, with a few others whom they recruited, created the WMF global ban and, as well, the major damage to Wikiversity academic freedom, with long-term implications). I don’t know how they will compensate Joshua Connor Moon’s mother for her job loss, but, again, becoming willing to be completely truthful would be a start.
JuniusThaddeus says its odd for family members in their 20s to still be living together. I am pretty sure Junious is older than Oliver yet still living at home with his mum and dad. It really is of no interest to ED who Oliver lives with or what he does with his life.
On Encyclopedia Dramatica and Kiwi Farms (lolcow wiki) this can be of high interest! This is basically irrelevant and would not be a reason for deletion on ED.
Why don’t you guys just live your life? Oliver like myself is a nobody at the end of the day.
It is coming up to Christmas and I just think it is sad that this stupid online battle is still going on.
It will soon be coming up on two years later, and the drama continues. If it was so stupid, surely the one arguing that, here, would give it up. The evidence I have indicates that Darryl was being paid. It is currently circumstantial, not direct. This admission was remarkable. It may have been completely sincere, even if misguided. The page and the talk page were moved by Junius Thaddeus to a Smith Brothers article, and then both were deleted on ED. How did the Smith Brothers respond?
To me it looks like they took this as “we won,” and continued playing the same games. After all, if you are winning, why stop? Recently, though, it appears that Google results are freaking them out, and they have been getting desperate. There are other effects working their way through the process. It takes time to consult with attorneys and time to create and file demand letters and legal actions.
There is a large world out there with many good things to see or get educated about. We all make mistakes but this whole thing is ridiculous. If the mods here have any sense of knowing what is right you should remove this page. JuniusThaddeus has removed other attack pages he has created on people. The whole point in ED is to be funny. These pages on Oliver are off-mission.
The Smith escapades are beyond hilarious. They are utterly and completely outrageous. There was a RatWiki user who has (had) a blog, “I’m not making this up.” That was generally about what passes for “conservative.”
I fully understand why ED users would want to keep the Oliver D. Smith page, and why there would be interest on Kiwi Farms. If Darryl doesn’t understand it, it could be because he’s a socially dysfunctional basement dweller. (Does he really have a job? Maybe. One of the socks appearing on the blog claimed that one of the brothers had a family he was supporting. Let’s say that this could not be Oliver. Yet Darryl is obviously dysfunctional, continuing to stir the pot, as he did with the impersonations on Wikipedia (illegal!) and the attacks on me for pointing that out. There is an obsession there, obviously, and I have other material to publish on this.)
I am not posting here again. You guys all need to move on in your lives. The world is bigger than this. We are all going to die one day, and I think it’s sad websites exist like this. I have made a lot of mistakes myself but you guys should just see sense and move on with your lives. Oliver has promised me from this week he will be doing this, so you will never hear from him again. Regards. Skeptic 04:48, 27 November 2016 (EST)
That did not happen. This year, Oliver attacked me on Junius Thaddeus’ talk page, and created many socks pursuing all this. Did Darryl ever again edit ED?  Not with that account, for sure. I haven’t seen any other Darryl edits there, but it’s difficult to tell, there are brief snarky comments in sequences of Oliver sock attacks (or continued attempts to get his article deleted). All of these could be Oliver. There was an immediate response from one user:
Fuck off Oliver. Cobalt Cat.jpg CobaltCat 05:45, 27 November 2016 (EST)
CobaltCat appears to have been a regular ED user, and then

17:13, 27 November 2016 LulzKiller (talk | contribs) blocked Skeptic (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of infinite (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Sockpuppet wankery: oliver we know it’s you m8)

This reminds me so much of RationalWiki…. simply turned around.
In any case, what appears to be the real Oliver Smith shows up. He had already been arguing on that talk page:
The vast majority of these accounts are not mine; this article doesn’t record my internet history, but other peoples. Michaeldsuarez is a deranged liar. Barkhang Monastery 18:26, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
and then this, after more documentation from others


  • 1. Vordrak has seen a family photo of me and my brothers. He knows I’m telling the truth and you’re a bunch of delusional idiots. I requested he covered a blog post on his forum about how Michael D. Suarez and Kiwi Farms have harassed me for the last year. He accepted, but I changed my mind a few days ago when I realized Rome Viharo was creating defamatory threads about me on forums (Wikipedia Sucks, Wikipediocracy etc). Vordrak doing an article on me will just feed Viharo’s trolling. Instead I will request to Vordrak he does a separate blog entry on Viharo.
  • 2. Providing a family photo to Suarez is a obviously not an option since he’s cyberstalking and harassing me (just look at this creepy “connecting the dots” link where Suarez is trying to dig up my internet history, but failing), do you really think my brothers want this nutcase following them and writing more Encylopedia Dramatica articles filled with smears, lies and personal attacks?
  • 3. Suarez has just admitted if I provided the photo – he still wouldn’t retract any of his misinformation about me because somehow its all my fault – when he is the dim-wit who confused my identity. As I mentioned in my post on Wikipediocracy: Suarez is one of those people who thinks he’s correct 100% of the time. He will never admit when he’s wrong and has a narcissistic personality disorder.
  • 4. Several accounts/links of this “connecting the dots” include impersonators and dubious/no evidence to link my IP to them. So even if I showed what accounts were my brothers, it wouldn’t remove the accounts Suarez is outright lying about and trying to pin onto me.
  • 5. It’s rather laughable Mikemikev falsely accuses me of impersonating people, when that’s all he does. Today Rationalwiki blocked yet another of his sockpuppets using my real name. ( 19:24, 25 November 2016 (EST)

The RatWiki account demonstrates absolutely nothing. The account was blocked on registration, it has no contributions (not even deleted or suppressed). There is no evidence shown that this was Mikemikev, other than purely circumstantial (i.e., perhaps nobody else would impersonate Smith). Or it could be a red herring. However, compare this:, blocked as soon as recognized, but with two contributions. Absolutely not me, and this was one of many socks created there impersonating me, and claimed to be me, by Debunking spiritualism, i.e., Darryl.

This post rings totally, to me, as authentic Oliver Smith, as I have read a great deal directly from him. There are persistent mentions of another possible brother. It might explain certain anomalies. But I have no definitive information on this. One thing is clear to me: Michaeldsuarez may have been mistaken about this or that, but I’ve known him for years and I have never seen him lie. Crying “lies” is a common behavior of liars and trolls, and Oliver is both.

The Smiths commonly claim “there is no proof,” even when evidence is completely overwhelming. They claim impersonation, and very recently, Darryl L. Smith, as Debunking spiritualism on RW, went on a deletion rampage, mixing that in with a block of an enemy and an unblock of his brother, creating vast confusion, ultimately admitting to his “family being doxxed” to justify it, i.e., admitting he was a Smith brother, and then, next day, he retired and a new account appeared, claiming to be him and that the old one had been hacked, and, of course, I was accused of being the culprit. I think that trick was used by Oliver before, he claimed that the accounts on Metapedia, where he made racist comments, were hacked.

Yeah, right.

So then Darryl showed up and wrote the screed quoted above. And, after that skeptical rejection also quoted above, Oliver responded again. Damage control:

  • 1. “Skeptic” isn’t mine, nor my brother. Its a troll impersonator from Kiwi Farms, probably Dynastia (I noticed him doing something similar here: The IP on “Skeptic” also won’t be mine.

That Dynastia comment bears no resemblance to what Skeptic wrote. Here is the discussion on that wiki. They conclusion there: this was “copypasta” from Oliver, not Oliver, it was actually Dynastia. That Oliver then jumps from that to attempting to connect Skeptical to Dynastia is his classic deception. The argument holds no water at all. Skeptical was not an Oliver impersonation, at all, but rather precisely how Darryl had behaved and had written, in many places, and at this point, Darryl was not at all well known, the focus had been on Oliver. I find it impossible to imagine that someone, in 2016, knew the situation well enough to create such a sophsticated impersonation. Only if Oliver was telling the truth when he claimed that he had been lying since 2011, and it was all him, then, of course, he’d have known that he created that persona and would have known what he had written before.

No, very unlikely, and it conflicts with checkuser evidence from WMF wikis, and just plain common sense.

Apparently Oliver IP and Darryl IP are almost always distinct, but they occasionally use the same address, so Oliver was setting up a red herring here by mentioning IP. ED does have checkusers, but checkuser would likely have provided zero useful information. Apparent Oliver socks are immediately blocked on ED, and they don’t care enough to go through the motions of verifying by checkuser.

  • 2. Most of the above is misinformation; I do though share a Wikipedia IP and the edits on parapsychology were never me – so yes its true large chunks of the “connecting the dots” are not my accounts and Michael Suarez is a dim-wit who confused my identity. Needless the say, all the talk about me and sex at Kiwi Farms is libel; Lulzkiller is the sick freak spreading these lies about me because I exposed him as the pervert (

    The link is to an obvious attack blog created by  an obvious AP sock, in a common tactic. They create these blogs and immediately archive them before the host takes them down. It purports to present the real name of “Lulzkiller.” (If Lulzkiller requests it, I will redact that link.)  It is completely deranged to expect any other result than dedicated enmity if one does this. My guess? Lulzkiller doesn’t care about what he wrote being “exposed,” or he wouldn’t have written it. Lulzkiller is not far from normal as a young man. And, yes, this could later be embarrassing. Yet this was all irrelevant, feuding. It’s what Oliver and Darryl do.

No wonder the ED article was restored after Junius Thaddeus deleted it!

Oliver is deranged about sex, he acknowledged to be being an anti-natalist, and he commonly accuses others of “perversion,” sometimes for acknowledging normal male sexuality, about which he appears radically ignorant. At that point, Junius Thaddeus had not apparently realized the issue of two brothers. He did, later. The Smiths have lied for years, and then blame others for being “confused” “dim-wits.”

  • 3. My brothers are not stupid and know nothing here will be deleted by requests. This site won’t remove content about people since its used to harass them like at Kiwi Farms.

Except they, and especially Oliver, keep pestering ED, with hosts of sock puppets. Hundreds, maybe thousands. They are very quickly blocked and immediately new socks replace them. Recently, AP socks requested the deletion of Rational Wiki articles that they had created. They did not, however, reveal that they had created them. In one request, for example, the article was called a revenge article. But they did not admit their own role. And they had succeeded, with years of impersonation socks and other tricks, that the article targets richly deserved the articles. So simply asking for deletion was not enough. To clean that up, they would need to admit, in detail, exactly what they had done. They would need to apologize to the community and to the targets, using real names and confirming how much disruption they had created, on RationalWiki and elsewhere.

  • 4. I did not cease going after Gethn7; I work with Vordrak and we are obtaining his personal information by going through his internet history; the same for Lulzkiller. Eventually Vordrak will cover a blog post on them both. We just now do this behind these scenes. Lots more to come.

Notice that he admits stalking and harassment and attempted doxxing. Was this an impersonation? If so, brilliant! The impersonator knows exactly how Oliver would write and think. But I don’t think so. None of the people who might be candidates would be this accurate.

He worked with Vordrak for a time, (Samuel Collingwood Smith, no relation, apparently). Then apparently Vordrak figured out how crazy he was and that fell apart.

Yes, he does a lot “behind the scenes.” The Smiths file complaints with administrators, privately. They often succeed in getting their targets banned, and perhaps web sites taken down.

  • 5. These ridiculous ED pages on me do not affect “my mental health”, whatever that is supposed to mean. My work colleagues and family have seen it all and know they are full of lies and smears and so they paint a false picture of who I am. And you don’t get many page views on my articles here because (a) I blocked them from UK search-engines for defamation and (b) I’m of little interest; few people search my name. Michael Suarez should have his own Kiwi Farms thread called the “goofy documenter with no life”. Iambic 13:27, 27 November 2016 (EST)

I cannot be sure that Oliver is lying about “Skeptic.” That is, he might not have known this was Skeptic, except he’d have known that the “impersonator” was mostly telling the truth. Later, Oliver personally confirmed much of the story. GethN7 is associated with RationalWiki, I’m not sure of his account there, but he ran into Oliver and wrote an expose, but eventually gave up, being so broadly attacked.

One of the extant Google complaints from Oliver is about the GethN7 blog. Google does not completely remove all trace of search results. The search I used was for Oliver D. Smith, and in the U.K. (where Oliver would care), there is a note with results that responses have been suppressed, and there is a link to see the complaints. On that linked page there are URLs with the critical name redacted, if it was in the URL. By knowing the name already, I was able to find all of them. Many still exist or have been archived. If a new employer is looking for “Oliver D. Smith” and sees the omitted results, they might do something similar. As well if the employer is in the U.K. and is at all sophisticated, they could use a proxy server to access Google in, say, the U.S. Trivial to do.

Hiding is not a decent strategy, particularly when one keeps up the behavior that one would want to hide, continually motivating others to document it. I explained all this to Oliver, and he rejected it, claiming that I was “immoral” because I was supporting alleged racists and pedophiles who had been defamed. He is clearly deranged. (I have never supported racism and pedophilia. There are no pedophiles associated with this situation, to my knowledge. I have pointed out that someone who was accused by Oliver D. Smith of being a pedophile was not, and Darryl pointed out that a false charge of pedophilia would be libel. He was right.)

His complaints would only affect Google access from the EU. Further, the huge pile of complaints would be a red flag to someone investigating that something was amiss.


Sites with evidence and claims

If you are reading on an archive site, be sure to check the URL for possible updates, corrections, and retractions.

This is a draft, incomplete, to be expanded.

The realization that there was a family of disruptive users, and that one of them was Oliver D. Smith, goes back to at least 2012. Many of the targets of the Smiths were marginal in some way, fringe or provocative. However, the level of sock puppetry was quite unusual, and the intensity of attacks and harassment. Early documentation was often not clear on which brother was involved in a particular incident, and there were impersonations (both by the Smiths and possibly impersonating them as well), creating a veil of confusion, and there were deliberate actions to create confusion.

Nevertheless, it is possible to see reality through confusion. Such perception may not be free of error. Consider looking at some scene through a dirty window, one particular snapshot may be almost unintelligible. But if we move, we can see through the visual noise, by what remains constant behind it. The AP socks do not come with ready tags when we observe them (usually). It is much easier to, however, consider them as if the same, to distinguish the sock family from others who might resemble it in some way or other. When an account has substantial edits, I have become sufficiently familiar with the traits to identify “AP socks,” and, as well, there are two obvious general families of interests and modes of expression.

I did not develop this facility by reading what others have written, I developed it from integrating the study of the account behaviors with my own experience and confirmed knowledge. As an example, there has been massive impersonation on RationalWiki, including impersonation of me. I know it wasn’t me! So for my own purposes, I don’t need to find specific evidence for that, I may assume it. As well, I concluded quite some time ago that Debunking spiritualism was Darryl L. Smith, and have covered evidence for that. When Dubunking spiritiualism continued some patterns of behavior, becoming more and more extreme with them — not abruptly but more or less gradually — and then appears to have realized how much he revealed, he then told the story that his account had been hacked, and probably by me.

The story did not match the actual evidence of his behavior, but on RationalWiki, studying actual evidence is deprecated in favor of snark and quick judgments.

Here, some other web pages have been pointed out to me. I will link to them here and make a few comments. Listing here is not an approval of those sites, and those pages may have many errors. Few of them, in my experience, are lying. (It is a common Smith practice to call documentation of the behavior of the brothers “Lies.” He does not specify which statements are lies, or if he does, it’s misleading. I.e., if some source misidentifies the activity of Darryl as Oliver, say, Oliver will call it “lies” and Darryl will remain silent. Calling a possible error a “lie” is common among fanatics and trolls.) To the pages:

The search for *Oliver Smith returns almost 55,000 pages. Oliver has filed Google blocks for many sites, I documented those on another page; these affect google results, but not searches.  *Darryl Smith returns over 8,000 pages, but almost all are not the same person as is of interest here.

Encyclopedia Dramatica.

That project is down at the moment, it may be restored [note 5/11/2018: it’s back up], but many pages are archived. ED has long been a parody site, for the lulz, not to be taken seriously. This was commonly obvious from articles themselves, but it was also well-known. The site was somewhat cleaned up recently, the pornographic and pop-up ads were removed, but some of the pages linked here, through archive copies, are NSFW. (All of the pages linked here are for information and further research, they are not “approved” other than for possible usefulness, to be confirmed, later.)

In listing pages, I may comment as to the general content of the page, without necessarily approving all the content. Anyone may point out errors to me, and I am committed to correcting what I cannot personally confirm. As well, my intention is to allow the Smith brothers the right of comment, if comment comes as verified. (I.e., Oliver Smith has a known email address. He can write me and I know it’s him. — and if someone spoofs that address, he’d still see it when I reply, as I would.)

Other comments will be approved based on my discretion.

Oliver D. Smith as of 4 Feb 2018, recent version of the article, which is sarcastic, lulzy and dramatic. There is factual basis underneath.

Oliver D. Smith/Connecting the dots 15 Jun 2016. This was well-organized but defective in one way: the author does not apparently realize what is now seen as a probability that Forests was Darryl, not Oliver. In order to link them, the author depends on an assumption that conversations between the accounts was faked to divert researchers. A certain level of common article and mutual support would be expected from the brothers.

There are some who believe, apparently, that there is “no brother,” and that it is all Oliver. It is plausible, but, because it is known independently that there is a brother of the same age, Darryl, it must be interpreted as “the brother is not involved,” not that he doesn’t exist.

This is inconsistent with many claims from Oliver, except a very recent one where he claims he was lying to everyone for many years, including lying to a possible supporter of Darryl’s work. Tim Farley. (Farley has claimed to not know the Smith brothers, as I recall, but he has not yet been asked more specifically.)

To me, there are visibly distinct personalities that can be seen. On the other hand, Oliver claimed at one time to be schizophrenic, which could create very erratic behavior.

Oliver D. Smith Brothers in spite of the displayed capture date in 2012, shows that it was last revised 20 December 2016. It begins with a description of the brothers:

The Oliver D. Smith Brothers are a duo or trio of brothers involved in massive online arguments, sockpuppetry, impersonation, deception, and harassment. Of these brothers, Oliver D. Smith is the most prolific, as well as the only one whose name is known. Topics of interests to the brothers include Rightism, Racialism, Atlantis, and the paranormal. Known pseudonyms used by the brothers include Anglo_Pyramidologist, Atlantid, Boglin, Dan Skeptic, Jake Speed, DinoCrisis, Cassiterides, and Krom, as well countless others. Oliver is a former Neo-Nazi and a former British Israelite, whose autism and bibliomania lead him to keep changing his political and religious views. Oliver is “hetero-demisexual” and lack of interest in sex leads him to wage an online war against what he calls “sex pests” and other immorality despite the fact he claims to love violent video-games and once watched Cannibal Holocaust. Oliver’s internet history traces back to least 2005. He also has a disturbing history of impersonating people and inventing personae on forums and is a pathological liar who will blame his impersonations on his enemies, apparently unaware of how transparent his efforts are. As “Atlantid”, Oliver was a sysop on Metapedia, while his brother (“DinoCrisis”, “Forests”) was a sysop on Rationalwiki. Oliver, as “Krom”, later became a RationalWiki sysop as well. Together, they’ve upset various people with their edits. Hundreds of the brothers’ Wikipedia accounts have been blocked.

“Neo-Nazi” is a problematic claim, possibly an exaggeration (but there is evidence for it). I have seen clearly racist comments from Oliver, but that was years ago, on Metapedia, and he claimed to have changed his position (which then is roughly consistent with the article description). I consider the allegations about his sexual interests irrelevant, other than his having a penchant for accusing others of pedophilia based on statements that reflect normal male sexuality rather than anything pedophilic.

I suspect that Oliver has been impersonated, but it is clear that the Smiths collectively employ impersonation socking to defame, there are many examples. From circumstantial evidence, the most extensive impersonation socking was by Darryl, not Oliver.

In the list of interests, they were all Oliver’s interests except the “paranormal,” which was Darryl. This distinction of interests is found back to Wikipedia in 2011. Interest in the paranormal can slide into interest in pseudoscience and fringe science (which some skeptics call pseudoscience, though that is clearly a misapplication of the term) and then we see claims that racialism and associated intelligence studies are “pseudoscientific” (which some may be). As well, the brothers communicate and help each other out, as is described in the ED pages.


RationalWiki has a salted page, Oliver D. Smith. Only a sysop can create a page with that name. Why? It was never created. I don’t know the history. However, the Smiths claim that there is no “Smith brotherconspiracy” it is all a paranoid fantasy by crazies.

Oliver claims to have been harassed, meanwhile he and his brother create many articles on RationalWiki about their enemies

Further, someone is creating massive impersonation socks on RationalWiki, and it unlikely to be Mikemikev and it sure is not me!

In the most recent craziness, Debunking spiritualism went on a massive revision deletion and blocking spree, and then, next day, retired the account and claimed it had been hacked. Meanwhile, though most of his actions were reversed, some were not. Here is a page from RationalWiki today:

He blocked Merkel, Oliver’s harassment target (for which Calimachus had been blocked), and he also unblocked Calimachus, and both actions are standing.

User:Merkel (history). The current text was added by Merkel January 9, 2018.

Vindicated about Oliver/Atlantid[edit]

I mentioned this fact and everyone flung venemous insults at me. He later admitted it. He never apologized for lying nor did anyone else.
Dr. Witt and User:Anti-Fascist for life put that they retire on their user page at the same time. The second account didn’t get its sysop powers removed like the first.
Debunking spiritualism removed this and added:

This user is banned indefinitely from editing RationalWiki.
The reason given is doxing, impersonating and posting libel about a RW editor; also off-site harassment.”

Why I permabanned this editor:

Doxing and posting libel about a RW editor.
Ongoing harassment: Merkel is a sysop on the neo-Nazi wiki Rightpedia.
He uses Rightpedia to dox and harass the same RW editor.
Merkel has also impersonated the RW editor.Debunking spiritualism (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

So that was reverted, but the block was not.

And his brother, Darryl L. Smith

May 2-3, 2018, Darryl L. Smith, as Debunking spiritualism, thoroughly outed himself before retiring. He still does not reveal to the RationalWiki community, with this, what it would take to get his libels deleted, but the Smiths still have not figured out that the prime way to recover, from indiscretions that come to light, is full disclosure, not half-measures. He may still be active on Wikipedia, as he claimed, and may still be able to collect financial support for it, so … he’s attempting to limit damage. While guaranteeing that he will fail.

He retired, creating a new account to claim Debunking spiritualism had been hacked. He had unblocked an account of his brother (, wheel-warring with Spriggina, and taking other actions that would clearly be Smith agenda, mostly in an attempt to scrub references to the Smith brothers (mostly Oliver, including places where Oliver accounts admitted who he was) not some new strange initiative. But the RWikians are about as gullible a group as I have ever encountered, most of them are far from “rational.”

His deletion actions merged with contributions and the block log:

This speaks volumes. That page was started as a redirect by Dave1234, which was Darryl L. Smith. Oliver Smith was not lying when he denied being Dave1234. The article itself was started by Debunker, also Darryl.

For Darryl to link to the WWHP page was completely remarkable. However, he has enough experience with RationalWiki (and he tried also to fix the article on me), to know that the deceptive impressions that he spent years to create would not vanish just because he, on the face someone different, says that it was wrong. He engaged whole generations of RationalWiki editors in his crusade as retaliation for Rome Viharo documenting the “wikipedia problem,” which intimately involved him, certainly as Goblin Face and likely other accounts.

Notice that DS claims “author request.” That’s because he was the author!

(We can think that an impersonator wanted to establish this. For what audience? I know of no person who has investigated the AP/Krom/Atlantid/Gobling Face sock family who still thinks that it was one person (i.e. Oliver Smith). That opinion has been expressed in the past, but this was before there was serious investigation, using better evidence. In addition, I have the equivalent of checkuser evidence and I’m suspecting I’m going to see some interesting facts when I look — it takes time, I have no automated tool like Media Wiki checkuser, on the blog. In the past, commentary focused on Oliver Smith, because he has been public about his identity. I began, some time ago, to document Darryl L. Smith. There were reactions). They did not begin on May 3!)

So, naturally, his deletion was reversed, by Cozmicdebris.

admits it is about doxxing of his family. I.e., the Smith brothers.

and 12 more revision deletions on that page. These were all restored by Grammar Commie. What was he hiding? Until I saw this, I didn’t realize there was an early incarnation of “Racialism.” Some archives I found: Talk page history\

This was the second attempt to hide all that, see below for the first. Both failed.

Archive 1 history (notice edit by Gorgonite, attempting to hide discussion.) Gorgonite was blanking an edit by Windir, replying to IP (Mikemikev? Maybe). Archive1 was deleted by FuzzyCatPotato, with the summary “13:42, 25 October 2016 FuzzyCatPotato (talk | contribs deleted page Talk:Racial realism/Archive1 (content was: “{{talk archive}} == Stupidly One-sided == So stupidly one-sided. This page is a complete joke. Clearly written by a “race denying” crackpot.<sup>— Unsigned, by: / User talk:…”)

Did FCP know what he was doing? The only edit of that IP was to create the Talk page back in 2012. FCP was indeed scrubbing history. Gorgonite was an obvious Oliver sock. (These users only effectively hide from others who are paying little attention, a common problem on wikis.) RationalWiki does not, per se, sanction sock puppetry, unless the user is unpopular.

The edit that Gorgonite blanked was by Windir (contributions). Naturally, I look for hidden  contributions.

Nice. To Talk:Race as an additional comment after his comment of 18:12, 8 October 2014

Btw, this is the level of Mikemikev’s intelligence:>

User:Excuse Me I’m ON LSD

I don’t want to wear purple pants and “i’m on LSD” are listed among two of Mikemikev’s socks.

Maybe it was the LSD he takes that turned him into such a mental-case. Windir (talk) 13:31, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Classic trolling. The entire RW site is like this. Articles troll for outrage, and if the target shows up, he is harassed, sometimes impersonated, and commonly blocked.

The Talk archives for “Race” have been deleted. However, Talk:Race is still up, so I’m creating archives based on the page as archived by the bot or others, including extensively blanked text. The full page history.  These are snapshots of the page just before removals. They are not as convenient as normal Talk page archives, but edits can be found. Some of these already existed. Text in collapse is also shown.

Users and IPs were outed as Mikemikev. Doxxing is Bad when AP socks(Goody Guys!) are doxxed, Good when Bad Guys are doxxed. The difference between Good Guys and Bad Guys is that Bad Guys hide. Oh. Wait! That talk page was deleted. Lots of RationalWiki discussion has been, later, deleted, with no explanation. Who is hiding?

Removed an edit by Torch (Darryl!) about Mikemikev.  Reverted by Spud.

  • 01:33, 3 May 2018 Debunking spiritualism (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page Talk:Racial realism: content hidden and edit summary hidden (Inappropriate comment or personal information:

and 16 more. GrammarCommie restored 13. What revisions are still hidden? Three revisions were previously hidden, one by Skeptical (Darryl) 02:27, 31 October 2017.  (which would be three or more years after the edit. Skeptical did the same thing as DS did later, only not so extensively. There are a total of five hidden. discrepancy of one. Nothing particularly striking on the page. Some more AP socks.

removed edits by Jon Donniz, Saxton, and possible Mikemikev IP. The first two are likely AP socks.

why would Darryl block this IP 4 years later? To tag the IP with “Mikemikev” for anyone seeing this later. The IP is Korean, which could indicate mikemikev at that time, but it’s also possible to choose an open proxy there.

Oliver and Darryl have both supported this, eventually. But that article was created by ODS (Oliver) and Oliver there acknowledges that it was as revenge against me. (Darryl, DS, created the article on me.)

The page was created by an AP sock, that’s clear. Which one, I’m not entirely sure. This is a common tactic: ridicule reality, call it a “conspiracy theory.” The creator comments, MrOrganic (possibly Oliver). The article on me was created by Marky (DS). While MrOrganic created that page, it gets blamed on Rome Viharo by Marky, and David Gerard bought that. The fact is that the “Smith brothers” theory is not a “conspiracy theory,” it is that there are two brothers, Oliver and Darryl Smith. The Oliver half of that is far beyond proven. “Darryl” remains somewhat circumstantial. There really is a brother, that’s clear, but Oliver recently claimed it was all him and that he’d been lying for hears about the “brother.”  So lying then or lying now, how much does it matter? This will get sorted legally, I strongly suspect.

Schizophrenic was Oliver. I found the edit and documented it, so Darryl is trying to cover it up.


Callimachus is Oliver D. Smith.

Archived 2 May 2018 19:45:01 UT.

Socks found in this review (these could be Oliver or Darryl). A few listed could be impersonations.

September 5, 2013 see archive. Fraudulently signs IP edit “Eveshi.”
May 23, 2014 hidden edit to Talk:Racial realism (remove libellous illegal doxing from the sockpuppet troll mikemikev/MU.) Content blanked: “Jon Donniz/Saxton is the mentally ill troll Atlantid/Pyramidologist/Oliver Smith. He specialises in accusing people of being his socks. (talk) 08:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC) “(link is live, but archived). This material would have saved a lot of time. There are conclusions in it that I’m not prepared to support, but … Mikemikev did a lot of research, and reported it relatively soberly. Considering how early this was, it was quite good. Of course this was hidden on RationalWiki! (It would routinely be hidden because of the doxxing of Oliver Smith, for sure, but also mentioning Atlantid or Pyramidologist — known and admitted Oliver socks (i.e., Oliver was the original Wikipedia Anglo Pyramidologist, effectively banned in 2011– has also resulted in blocks and revision hiding.)

 Skeptic Jon 5-7 September, 2013 & 2 April 2014, last edit, hidden, to Talk:Racial realism.: “ is troll Mikemikev. He’s been on this page for years.” likely Darryl

Hot edits! Hidden revisions.
Eveshi 31 May 2013 – 5 June 2013 Possibly Darryl but is claimed to be Chung. defiantly blocked by Forests. Investigate other sites.
Prince Emmanuel. 12 February 2013 – 3 June 2013 at first exposes Forests as “darryl.” later signs “Max”. Accused of being Forests. Hypocrite claims 13 years old. Max is clearly in direct communication with Forests, see this conversation. notice the dino_crisis email for Forests.
Other site: An account “Forests” refers to eveshi and signs Darryl Forests.

Going dark on a topic

(May 2, 2018) This is obsolete. Some pages are still hidden, being reviewed before being re-opened. The content here has been misrepresented elsewhere. Simple documentation has been called “attack.” If we are attacked by reality, we are in big trouble no matter what others say!)

I have been documenting the Anglo Pyramidologist sock puppetry and massive disruption. Because of what I have found, and the tasks before me over the next year, I am going dark. All pages in the category of Anglo Pyramidologist will be hidden, pending, and possibly some others. Some have been archived (often on and will remain available there. If anyone has a need-to-know, or wants to support the work, contact me (comments on this post will be seen by me, and if privacy is requested, that will be honored, the comments will not be published. Provide me with an email and a request for contact and I will do so.)

The connection with cold fusion is thin, but exists and is significant.

Warning: documenting AP can be hazardous to your health.

As well, the next year’s journalism will need support, some of this may become expensive. I will be asking for support, to supplement what is already available or in the pipeline.

Sometimes reality comes to our door and knocks. Do we invite her in? Other times we need to search for her. Ask and you shall receive. She is kind and generous.

Don’t ask, and reality might seem to punch you in the nose, and you might be offended. In reality, you just walked into a lamp post. Who knew?


The sock family known on Wikipedia as Anglo Pyramidologist is two brothers, Oliver D. Smith (the original Anglo Pyramidologist) and Darryl L. Smith, perhaps best known as Goblin Face, who continues to be highly active with the “skeptic faction” on Wikipedia. It is possible that there is a third brother involved.

They have engaged in impersonation socking, disrupting Wikipedia while pretending to be a blocked user, leading to defamation of the target user, and they have engaged in similar behavior elsewhere.

I was attacked for documenting the proven impersonation and other socking. My behaviot did not violate any policies or the Terms of Service,

The Smith brothers were able to coordinate or canvass for multiple complaints, (they have bragged about complaining) and it is possible that this led to the WikiMedia Foundation global ban, but those bans are not explained and the banned user is not warned, and has no opportunity to appeal or contest them.

Substantial damage was done to the long-standing tradition of academic freedom on Wikiversity.

Action to remedy this will continue, but privately.

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This page is under construction. Due to restoration from a crash, after starting to recreate it, it has redundant material. It’s a mess. Read it only if insanely interested in following this as it is edited. (This is not a blog post, it is an information page. Blog posts always have a date in the URL. Information pages may exist in information hierarchies, and multiply like bunnies as information is organized, which takes time.)

As the initials imply, this RationalWiki account is Oliver D. Smith, who apparently decided to register a new account at RatWiki, and he has openly acknowledged being the well-known troll and harasser. He is being protected by his brother, Darryl L. Smith, who is currently using Debunking spiritualism (DS), which would be a classic Darryl Smith user name. In a number of communications, Oliver has essentially outed his brother. But this page is about Oliver.

ODS contributions.

The following sequence took the cake, and shows what DS is faced with, attempting to handle his brother. It also shows a small piece of the cross-wiki behavior, with massive socking on Encyclopedia Dramatica (at the same time as ODS crows about small-scale socking by his enemies).

With his first edits he lied about the Emil Kirkegaard page on him. (Archive copy just in case). Contrary to his claims, and as can be seen by reading the Kirkegaard page linked, Kirkegaard did not claim that “every single editor on his article is Oliver Smith.” This is a classic AP straw man argument, both brothers do it. Oliver claims that “Like 90% of the accounts he lists are not mine and he provides no evidence I’m any of these users.” And then, “For example “igobymanynames”/”Skeptical”/”Antifa Ireland”/Dinocrisis etc I’ve never edited or posted on. Basically he’s looked at the history of the [[Emil Kirkegaard]] article, sees it has about 25 editors over past years, now says I’m all of them, when I;m not.”

Kirkegaard made no such claim. He quotes Oliver (in the archived copy): “Also, I created both their entries at Rationalwiki to warn the internet about these people.” (Referring to John Fuerst and Kirkegaard).  Both articles were created by Ben Steigmans, an impersonation account. Ben Steigmann was the user attacked on Wikipedia and Wikiversity by Darryl Smith; the interests are crossover, but Ben Steigmans’ focus was Oliver, and we have Oliver’s admission. Then, showing a screenshot of the edit history, Kirkegaard claims:

Skeptical is Oliver’s chosen sockpuppet in this case. He appears to have spent 2 days writing my page on this occasion. A list of suspected sockpuppets and IP’s is given later

When Kirkegaard wrote that, the extent of Darryl’s socking was not widely known. Skeptical was very likely Darryl, certainly Oliver claims that. Darryl was also definitely some accounts listed by Kirkegaard. AP socks have played on the confusion caused by the massive socking. Oliver claimed, in email to me, that “99.9% ” of the socks I had identified were his twin brother, based apparently on my Rational Wiki article list page. That was an obvious exaggeration, since he was some accounts and I had not claimed a thousand of them.

When I asked Oliver to identify his accounts, he wrote that it would be too much work.  The following identifications are based on the preponderance of the evidence. In many cases, there is not enough evidence to definitively conclude which brother it was, or even that it was an AP sock (and on Wikipedia, suspected socks will be listed based on thin evidence. Many of these end up being confirmed where checkuser is run.) My sense, however, is that few of the identifications listed on the List page are incorrect. The Smiths often claim this is all stupidity, but they don’t actually point out errors. Notice, the only error Oliver claims is that certain accounts were not him. But that allows them to be his brother, and the two have created massive confusion.

(The following has not yet been thoroughly researched. Links will be added as found)

  1. Asgardian
  2. Aza]
  3. Skeptical probably Darryl
  4. Welliver I suspected Oliver, from interest, but other evidence points to Darryl.
  5. Antifa Ireland single edit to RW. Oliver interest, but Oliver denies.
  6. BenSteigmans
  7. OldSword
  8. Krom As I recall, Oliver admitted this.
  9. Kromscape Encyclopedia Dramatica, definitely Oliver
  10. Krom1991 Reddit account, Oliver from interest
  11. Atlantid well known.
  12. BlackGoatCabal early Smith account
  13. Scionic Evil old account, widely identified as Oliver
  14. AngloSaxon
  15. Hyperboreanar
  16. pyramidologist old account
  17. Truthseeker
  18. cassiterides
  19. Anglo_Pyramidologist
  20. Boglin the name would indicate Darryl
  21. Thule
  22. DinoCrisis certainly Darryl
  23. PS2  see the RW account contributions
  24. Goosebumps the name would be Darryl
  25. Arcticos
  26. Atlantid
  27. Onion_hotdog
  28. Morpheus
  29. Dale
  30. HaraldBluetooth the name would indicate Oliver
  31. BenSteigmann (impersonation)
  32. … and 100s more (list heremeta-Wiki investigation found ~190 sockpuppets) [most of these socks would likely be Darryl.]

This is a list of suspected Anglo Pyramidologist socks. The socks claimed that the original AP account was not the same as the massive army of socks that have been blocked as AP. I consider this likely to be true. It was Darryl (as Oliver said in 2011 and repeated recently.) However, I have bolded accounts that I would consider Oliver, and have put in italics accounts where I don’t have an opinion. I have not yet researched some of the names, but out of a list of 31 specific names, 15 appear to be Oliver. That’s quite about more than “90% not me” would suggest.

That was not a list of editors of the Emik Kirkegaard article. See the list page for a non-yet-up-to-date list of suspected AP socks (which would include Oliver and Darryl).  (and the same for the talk page).

The use of straw man arguments has been common, for both Darryl and Oliver. They depend on most users not carefully checking sources, reading them with expectation bias.

(I will continue with this page, to add what Oliver Smith revealed as to his Encyclopedia Dramatica activity, and how his twin reacted to this.)

User talk:ODS history currently shows DS hiding edits, including mine (expected) but also very embarrassing edits by Oliver.

ODS had published the WikiMedia Foundation response to his emailed complaint about me. DS advised that this was unwise. Gee, I found it quite useful!

First of all, there was [ material added] to ODS talk that extensively explored the account history. It was reverted by Darryl as DS.

What this will come to is a trolling page added to the Encyclopedia Dramatica Forum, created by Oliver, with proof that this was him from the timing of his creation and archiving, and adding the archive link to his user talk page, in response to a comment that pointed to his very recent ED socks. He did not deny the socks (which were obvious), but attacked. The page he created may be seen here:

He has not changed his behavior at all. His brother tries to hide it…. Meanwhile, in many places, Oliver outs Debunking spiritualism as his brother, and denies that the massive socking was him. He is lying, but behind that is a likely truth: much of the socking that has been blamed on “Anglo Pyramidologist” was actually his twin.

Right now, I only see two active socks (aside from socks impersonating me): ODS and DS.

A system reset — Windows Update Sucks! — caused the disappearance of this content from a previous version of this page. This is now a mess. But it does show what is mentioned above. I will clean this up later.
If this page is seen through an archived copy, check the original URL for possible revisions or corrections. Errors may be noted in comments here, and replies from affected parties will be allowed, as long as they are not, themselves, illegal.

This page will document the RationalWiki user ODS, who is openly Oliver D. Smith. He is widely known to have a twin brother, Darryl L. Smith. First, a brief incident.

Because there was a section there discussing me, I had commented on User talk:ODS.  This was later collapsed by Debunking spiritualism which is DS, the twin brother, convenient as a name. DS, in his comment accompanying the collapse, lied about the content of my blog pages. That’s been typical.

Cheeseburger face had [ pointed out that the alleged doxxing above] wasn’t. (That is one reason I reached out to him, but … too bad. So far, he is either actively enabling AP socks or he has his head firmly wedged in the sand. I had actually been careful, but AP socks call any identification of their accounts “doxxing.” Whereas the freely identify the accounts of others … and practically nothing is done about it.)

ODS commented on his talk page. It’s been revision-deleted. He wrote:

 I have to laugh at crazies like Lomax calling me an “internet harasser” for merely documenting and debunking pseudo-scientists. Also, the vast majority (90%+) of my articles creations for past 6 years are/were not on people e.g. [[Multiregional hypothesis]]. So he just cherry picks a few articles, disregarding my main contributions that have helped many people over the years. What a nutcase.[[User:ODS|ODS]] ([[User talk:ODS|talk]]) 07:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Of course, here ODS admits being Oliver D. Smith (as he has in many places, no biggie), but … Oliver D. Smith is widely known as a harasser, and little of it has to do with “documenting and debunking pseudoscientists.” This page will document some of that history. However, what has come up is that at least some of the most serious harassment, that got me involved in the first place, was not him, but his brother, DS. But that is not the point here, it’s coming up.

After a series of sock puppets were created on Encyclopedia Dramatica, and with discussion of me standing on User talk:ODS, I dropped a post there.

How is ED treating you?

Hey, Oliver, have you created enough socks on the Dramatica Encyclopedia? I don’t see any today. Are you sick, or what? Wait! Never mind! What am I thinking?

You are sick!

Temple OldKnight Oedipus Stesichorus Corinna Anoncreon Run Herodotus

By the way, “average male life expectancy” of, say, 76, doesn’t mean that if you are 66, you have an average of ten years to live. That’s from birth. Average male life expectancy at 66 is another 17 years. Your education is quite deficient. — (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Some comments about this post: RatWiki has an edit filter that prevents naming or linking to Encyclopedia Dramatica. I have, here, linked to the sock accounts, that was not done in the post. But, of course, Oliver knew full well that they were his. It’s not deniable. The comment about age was in reference to this edit of his.

Further, this was trolling. a form of harassment. It is normally reprehensible. There are exceptions. What I found, more or less by accident (including observing their interaction with others), is that when they are trolled, AP socks (Darryl and Oliver) often respond with actions that reveal more information, and information is the advantage I have, I have no “weapon” other than the collection of true evidence. Darryl Smith basically declared war on me on the WMF wikis, threatened what actually came to pass.

(Two wrongs don’t make a right, but sometimes they right wrongs, and this is ancient law, and the ancient law also limits such reactions. I have done nothing with the Smith brothers that they have not done with others, more extensively and without justice.)

I continue to trust the truth. What Oliver had written was also trolling, you can judge what was more reprehensible. In context, “harming back” can not only be allowable, but obligatory. These people have harmed many, over many years. He had written:

You will be dead old man, so why bother with this?

You’re 74 years old, and the average life-expectancy for a male in the US is 76.9 (77).

So why bother with this pointless internet feud and stalking my family? You will (hopefully) be dead in 3 years, and all the nonsense and lies you write on your blog will be deleted. You’re just wasting the final years of your life with this. Herodotus (talk) 11:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

To answer his question here, I “bother with this” because I care about the society that I will leave behind. Oliver is an anti-natalist, who believes that having children is immoral. So he only thinks about himself. Consistent with his beliefs, his parents were immoral to have children. There has been no “stalking” of his “family,” only documentation of the harassment managed by his brother and him. My blog has a backup administrator, it is not likely to disappear. While it is possible I won’t live long, Oliver’s understanding of life expectancy was deranged, like much of what he writes. Now, this comes to the real point.

Oliver responded to that comment. I can imagine his brother seeing it. “Idiot! Why don’t you keep your mouth shut!” Oliver’s response apparently kept him up late, photoshopping.

http://archiv ODS (talk) 03:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

This was perfect. Oliver could not link to Encyclopedia Dramatica, the edit filter will prevent it. But they cannot filter out, they use it extensively. They could filter out an individual page, but anyone could re-archive a page and bypass that. In any case, the archive shows Oliver Smith in all his trolling glory. Really. It’s hilarious. The archive is timestamped 13 Mar 2018 03:39:01 UTC, and it shows the comment as being created “1 minute ago.” Then his RW edit linking to it was at 03:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC).

This definitively shows that ODS on RW wrote that attack thread, and archived it and then linked to it, and the context confirms what as already obvious: he was the ED editors named, and they connect with other editors there, eventually I may document them, but the ED socking has been so voluminous, I’m not sure I’ll get to it.

His brother, DS, didn’t see this, apparently, until 10:46, 13 March 2018 . DS removed not only my comments, but his brother’s, and revision-deleted, covering up for his brother. The comments were archived only a few minutes before DS removed them. I did not do that, then. I believed I had archived the material, but couldn’t find it….

ODS, meanwhile, was today given autoconfirmed status. Does RoninMachbeth know what he or she did? I don’t know. RM is generally sane, but RatWiki is a corrupted and corrupting environment.

Was RoninMacbeth aware that ODS triggered the edit filter 9 times as of today?

(Some of these were innocuous, to be sure, though they show the Oliver Smith obsessions.)

There are secret filters that are not documented in the log. March 4, ODS was attempting to edit the Saloon bar. His edits including that time are here. My guess is that he was attempting to mention the Encyclopedia Dramatica article on Oliver Keyes, or on Emil Kirkegaard — which links to it. Naughty. There is a lot more that could be said about Oliver Keyes, but not here and not now.

March 7, a minute later, Oliver edited the Chicken coop.

I don’t see how anyone could miss it, if they look. This is the infamous Oliver D. Smith. The possible problem is that ODS is a serious troll and will use the ability to edit protected pages. How much difference this will make, I don’t know. (None of my comments anywhere should be construed as defending Rightpedia, which is beyond racialist and deep into racism, unapologetically. They do have a copy of a public record showing the former home residence for Oliver and Darryl, and, in addition, the names and ages of other residents. Contrary to frequently claims, I did show the data from that briefly, but quickly redacted it, it now shows only the two names — as highly relevant to the socking — and the UK postal code. The street name has been removed, but AP socks continue to claim, long after it was removed, that I their home address is no this blog.

(Remember, I was accused of promoting the “paranoid RationalWiki Smith brothers conspiracy theory, and my RW article still calls me a “conspiracy theorist,” and still has:

He now uses his personal blog to spread a paranoid conspiracy theory and misinformation campaign that the two brothers described above created and edited his article, for which there exists no evidence.[63]

This is a straw man argument. I identified a family of socks, using the Wikipedia name Anglo Pyramidologist. That family was originally, in 2011, identified as two brothers. I did not distinguish between them. Nor, in fact, did I emphasize the “brother theory.” I considered it likely, but did not publish it untii I had far more direct evidence, much more recently. The two brothers did not create and edit my article. One of them did, and this would be Darryl Smith. So showing that there were two brothers, twins, that shared at some recent point residence, which would cause checkuser identification, was important. to the research. The actual address was not so important. The geolocation was, and the house location is still on the map, but not precisely, just good enough to show how the IP addresses locate with respect to the residence.

This was not an attempt at harassment. If harassment were my motive, this would not have been on an obscure page that hardly anyone would have noticed except for Darryl Smith obsessively following everything. They accuse others of stalking, but stalking became totally obvious very early on, and what was done to create my RW article was detailed and extensive searching of everything he could find. And this was obvious, and, like many other article targets before, when I simply responded, I was desysopped and then blocked.

Oliver and Darry Smith were being protected, this became obvious, and the extent of this is still becoming visible.

March 10, 14:14. A minute later, this edit. 

Michael Coombs is an obsession of Oliver’s. This is “mikemikev,” and a checkusered Darryl Smith sock (that’s a long story) pointed to mikemikev as a suspect for the sock master. It tricked one sysop for a time. I never trusted it, don’t trust SPAs bearing gifts, unless they can be verified. (They may point to “evidence,” but evidence can be misleading if taken out of context. These sock masters are expert at it.

Obsession with Michael Coombs is an Oliver Smith characteristic. (There are many of these, as will be found by anyone who actually studies the history, and we now have the benefit of beyond-doubt Oliver Smith accounts, admitted openly to be him.) So this shows up in the next filter triggers:

March 13, Oliver was putting together this edit.

Darryl L. Smith

If you see this page on an internet archive, it may have been updated and errors corrected. Always check the current version of archived pages!

Oliver D. Smith has claimed to have a brother, and I found rumors that this was a twin. There is apparently a directory or public record listing page, I have not verified it directly, but I was able to find sufficient confirmation to post it as likely authentic. It showed, from some years back, Oliver D. Smith and Darryl L. Smith as being of the same age and apparently living with parents, and it showed the home address — and another, older brother. I removed this and redacted the address and the non-AP names as not needed for any ongoing purpose. If anyone cares, the original directory could be obtained. (I simply didn’t want to spend the money, it would be on a paywall site — which AP socks think somehow means “private,” as they scream about revealing “private information.” It does mean that this is a simple form “doxxing,” particularly with regard to Darryl Smith, who has not voluntarily revealed his identity, so this information would violate WikiMedia Foundation policies and should not be posted or linked from any WMF wiki.) It is not doxxing in the sense of revealing phone numbers, home address, work address, or other very personal information.

Then Oliver D. Smith verified “twin” and more. This page collects evidence regarding Darryl. What did Oliver claim?

Apparently feeling the heat of many outings around the internet, including mine,  Oliver wrote me, using a public email address known to be his (from his blog and wiki on Atlantis).  The emails are here. (He has later claimed he was “harassed” by me by email. No, he wrote me and I responded, inviting him to reduce damage by simply revealing the truth, whatever he knew. In the end, he rejected this as too much trouble. He continues to be active, doing the same things. Or his brother is doing a good job imitating him. His choice if he tolerates it.)

From the January 25, 2018 email my emphasis.

… none of those MetaWiki/Wikiversity accounts are mine, with the exception of Za Frumi and possibly one other when I left him a comment on his user talk – this was months back. And the only reason I showed up there is because mistaken identity. The fact is, I don’t post on these websites and have never disrupted them. 99.9% of those accounts are my twin brother. I have no idea what any of that stuff is and it doesn’t involve me. I’ve tried explaining this to Rome Viharo about Wikipedia for ages, but he never listens. For example, I was never “Dan Skeptic”/”Goblin Face” on Wikipedia. Yet I’m named on his website when I never spoke with him on Wikipedia.

From interests (see below confirming my prior impressions), Dan Skeptic and Goblin Face, (the second is an acknowledged sock of the first) and the vast array of Wikiversity and Meta Wiki socks, and the impersonation socks on Wikipedia — which are continuing, and recently — would be Darryl L. Smith. I notice that Oliver does not deny editing Wikipedia, and recently blocked accounts there were following his particular acknowledged interests. The recent impersonation socks on Wikipedia (impersonating Rome Viharo, successfully) would likely be Darryl as well (though Oliver might have an interest in discrediting Viharo as well, due to Viharo’s naming of Oliver Smith as the sock master.)

.. [it’s claimed that] my twin brother edits from my house. However, that was mostly years back when we were young. Regardless, I have no control over his activities, he doesn’t now live with me, although does sometimes visit.

“Sometimes visit” is enough to create the “technical evidence” that AP socks often deny exists. “I have no control over his activities” is a self-serving claim, and I pointed out that he does have the power to reveal what he knows about his brother, which can be a form of control. If he allows his brother to disrupt and defame, he becomes responsible as a “sin of omission.” Under some conditions he could even be legally responsible. The fact is that he is apparently suffering because of the activity of his brother, and does apparently support and defend his brother, as we will see. In the earlier “brother evidence,” Darryl was apparently living at home, while Oliver was mostly away as a university student. Oliver visiting home was enough to create the technical evidence leading to both brothers being blocked. But both had been disruptive, and Wikipedia doesn’t care about “my brother did it.” Restrain your brother, or be blocked. The claim was not particularly believed at the time and for Wikipedia purposes, it did not matter.

In AP sock rejection of the “Smith brothers conspiracy theory,” the “theory” is commonly overstated, and it’s true that many critics don’t distinguish between the brothers. But they created this confusion, and then rely on it. Notice that the claim of “my twin brother edits from my house” is rejected, while, in fact, it is admitted. The claim is converted to “always edits from my house,” to make it false, then that it might occur is effectively admitted. Identified IP for the AP editors is often open proxy, and there is technical evidence that might distinguish them, but … that starts to get into thinking of checkuser and similar examination as “magic pixie dust.” They slip, sometimes, forget to enable the open proxy, or whatever. It’s information, not absolute proof. Ever. However, the probability of false identification can become low, under some conditions. WMF checkusers will not reveal details, usually, because of privacy policy. But then they sometimes do, by actions. I have no privacy policy here to violate and I have similar evidence available, as a blogger with domain access, and more.

Under some conditions, the use of an open proxy is an effective admission that the identity is being concealed, which then makes claimed identity implausible or unlikely. There is an exception: where I know that if I reveal my identity I will be blocked, I may still claim the identity but use an open proxy. I would not do this if I feel secure from being blocked just for being me. I have not blocked anyone on this blog, nor has anyone been harassed. Revealing a person’s name in an obscure evidence page is not “harassment.” Getting an enemy’s mother fired (which has been done by Oliver Smith, apparently, his denials were actually minimizations, not denial of the harassment. Not “I didn’t send that email to her employer,” but “I did not get her fired.” (Subtext: the employer made the decision, not me. I’m innocent!!!) But sending emails to the employer of a relative would be “harassment” in the WMF definition. So Oliver actually did — (less likely, he brother did) what I was accused of to the WMF, and that I did not do. Back to Darryl per his brother:

The overlap between us is actually very minor. We both have different qualifications, interests etc; for example I have no interest in debunking the paranormal, while he does. What little I do know is that he is linked to ‘skeptic’ organisations, supposedly is either paid or works with other people. I do not see any ‘real world’ harm by what he does though, if he’s just refuting or criticising spiritualists or ghost-believers where is the harm?

That there may be payment involved is ridiculed on RationalWiki, but, in fact, an AP sock on Wikiversity or meta (I forget which) bragged about being supported by a major organization. I’ll look that up. Rome Viharo has been pursuing the possible involvement of skeptical organizations. There is some plausibility to what he has suspected.

Where is the “real world harm”? The harm is when false or misleading claims are made, to defame individuals (or organizations). That can be illegal or actionable. Here, Oliver is “defending” his brother, which creates a kind of responsibility, but the point here is the brother’s activity. “Debunking” is an activity quite different from, say, what CSICOP was founded to encourage, the “scientific investigation of the paranormal.” There is common “real world harm” when a RationalWiki article, created to defame, is used to source information, reported by mainstream media without caution. Examples can be provided! Real-world harm is done when a person negotiating a business deal is asked about RationalWiki charges. AP socks have claimed that I have “weaponized” Google. In reality, that’s what they have done for a long time. Again, back to Darryl:

Yes, a major diagnostic identification of what, after I became aware of the identity claims on the internet, but before I verified them, I called, on the WMF meta wiki, “AP/D”, would be attacking “paranormal believers.” I.e., [redacted]. But there are overlaps. [redacted], it is claimed, was a racist and/or fascist, at one time, and the RW article claims he still is. As well, Oliver emphasizes racialism or hereditarianism as “pseudoscience,” when they are more rationally “fringe science,” and that confusion is quite common among pseudoskeptics. Looking at the interests of those I have identified as “AP socks,” there is often overlap, a primary focus may be racialism or fascism, (“Neo-Nazis”) but then there are edits to articles on “psi believers.” I will, if I find time, create classifications to measure the overlap.

I am not a “Ghost believer,” nor am I a “spiritualist,” though AP socks attempted to establish the latter because I was involved with a “spiritual organization,” but the word has a very different meaning in that context. Alcoholics Anonymous is a “spiritual organization” while being organizationally non-religious, and many members are atheists. It refers to the “spirit” of life, i.e., the essence of it, the “meaning.” This is an example of how AP socks distort reality in order to pursue defamation. I don’t think Oliver created my article, rather the creator, Marky, was Darryl. Probably. This article was part of a plan of revenge threatened by AP socks on Wikiversity and the meta wiki. That would be Darryl.

January 30, 2018 (second mail)

You have no legitimate criticism against my brother or myself. We simply have used RW to document and refute pseudo-science. No laws broken.

Also – I’m now inactive on RW.

Defamation is against the law in the United Kingdom. As well, not all offenses have been on RW. As an example, Oliver called Emil Kirkegaard a “pedophile” in these emails. The claim in the RW article on Emil, which Oliver has admitted creating, calls him a “pedophile apologist” and a “child rape apologist,” neither of which are true, but which can be “evidenced” by citing a six-year-old blog post of his that can look like that if one reads only the quoted sentences, and not the context. This is how the Smith brothers “lie with the truth.” They take a fact out of context. The article on me on RW was created by Darryl, I assume, as fulfilment of his threats. They prominently quote this from me:

…were I an attorney, and a pedophile were charged with a crime (pedophilia is not a crime!), I might defend one. —Abd Lomax in his defence of child-rape apologist Emil Kirkegaard[1]


What I was pointing out was that “defending a pedophile” was actually normal, under some circumstances, such as being a defense attorney, all defendants are entitled to counsel, and counsel is obligated to defend them to the best of their ability. However, I was not actually “defending” Emil Kirkegaard, nor is he a “child-rape apologist” and those claims were libelous. I am a defender of academic freedom and free speech. I was an officer of the Cal Tech chapter of the ACLU, and the ACLU defends civil liberties for all people regardless of their sometimes offensive opinions. However, AP socks know that this quotation “proves” their claim that I defend neo-nazis and child rape proponents. I’m not defending the targets, but exposing the defamation, which has caused extensive damage.

Emil Kirkegaard, I think he would agree, is a racialist (or “race realist”) it is called, and a hereditarian on intelligence. Those are not racist or neo-Nazi positions, though the kind of research that Kirkegaard does may be used by racists to justify positions (that do not actually follow from the research). Kirkegaard is outspoken, but denies the charges. The “evidence” that Kirkegaard is “neo-Nazi” is very weak and easily subject to alternate interpretation — but AP socks never mention alternate interpretations when such are possible, since their purpose is defamation. RationalWiki, in general, encourages this, the site motto might as well be “Snark Forever!” But the AP socks take it to extremes, and AP socks are enabled and protected there, as is Oliver D. Smith.  (An article by that name was salted, so that only administrators may create it. Why does Oliver D. Smith get this special protection? Inquiring minds want to know. He claims, as “ODS,” that an article was created by a troll, but that is how most RW articles (in the AP interest areas) are created. A new account appears and creates them. But there is no article in history, as any RW sysop can see, unless it was suppressed, which would indicate high-level protection. If the article was over-the-top defamation of Smith, it might have been created by a troll, indeed. The outing of Oliver D. Smith has been going on  for a long time, but it is generally addressed with ordinary deletion, not suppression, which hides it from even sysops. Maybe it’s time for an RW article on Oliver D. Smith. Contrary to what he claims, it could easily be created by any new account. He has many enemies, created by his highly aggressive and offensive behavior over the years. Plus he creates articles on himself to then blame on his enemies!

The account ODS on RationalWiki acknowledges being Oliver. There is a conversation with another account that looks very much like his brother, Debunking spiritualism. That account has done much to increase suspicion of being an AP sock, starting with the name. The many rapid article creations, showing Darryl interest, is the major early indication. Those are new articles, and so these had not been noticed by me before. They will be added to the RationalWiki/Anglo Pyramidologist study. Eventually, I will attempt to sort the socks.

But here is “Debunking spiritualism” demonstrating that he is Darryl:

Abd Lomax sock-puppeting on Rationalwiki

Lomax was blocked on Rationalwiki and globally banned by the Wikimedia Foundation, so he has now resorted to creating sock accounts (some impersonation) and using proxy IPS. His agenda appears to be spamming his Cold Fusion Community blog around on here for traffic. These are the accounts he has created so far:


He has doxxed users and threatened both Rationalwiki and the Wikimedia Foundation with legal threats on his blog. I believe he should be blocked if he turns up on any more. He has given up on accounts and is now using proxies. Lomax has now sided with Rome Viharo. The Viharo talk-page has been locked. If there is constant vandalism here this may be recommended. Debunking spiritualism (talk) 04:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Fascinating. He leaves out one account, and the reason is obvious:


is the only account I have used to edit RationalWiki since I was blocked. [this was true when written.] The single edit that was allowed — it was immediately blocked — actually has most of the list given above. That single edit included an authentication link to prove it was me. This is a classic AP trick: create blatant abusive socks that self-identify as the target of his harassment. Remarkably, that seems to fool some administrators.

The impersonation socks listed were almost certainly created by the same person who is operating Debunking spiritualism, who is a typical AP sock with typical behavior, (and, by the way, very quickly given sysop tools, even though obviously obsessed with Abd.

AP socks — and this may be entirely Darryl Smith — have long created socks that impersonate blocked users, in order to continue defaming the person (and sometimes they are behind the original block.) In this case, though, Skeptical, who blocked me, was almost certainly Oliver, not Darryl.  Does it matter?

“Threatened with legal threats.” What I pointed out was that what Oliver Smith triggered, almost certainly by lying to the WMF, along with a few others, a possible cause of action against the WMF that can bypass the limitations in the Terms of Service. I’m not going to explain all the legal details here, but there are negotiations under way that might lead to a lifting of the global ban, because the truly disruptive user, actually violating the TOS, was Darryl L. Smith. Oliver tossed his hat in with his complaint, as did some others whom, I suspect, lied in complaints. None of that can be hidden if there is a lawsuit. The Smiths have never faced this before, and I am away of no situation before where the WMF was exposed like this, to a user prepared to defend his honor and reputation in court. Others have been considering legal action for a long time, so … many hands make short work. Enough is enough, too much is too much.

Meanwhile, RationalWiki has set up a toxic site that fosters defamation, and is far more negligent in this respect than Wikipedia. Recent events have shown that RationalWiki articles can be picked up by news reporters and defamation on RW then makes a “mainstream newspaper.” I have initiated no process on RationalWiki yet, but will. One step at a time. I’ve been documentined what AP socks do, and Darryl just gave me a splendid example, lying about those socks.

Now, the IPs. I have no intention of disclosing anonymous editing at this time, but would do so in a lawsuit. With this edit, Darryl attempts to doxx all those accounts, and the IPs, as being me. Thus he is doing what he has long accused me of doing, doxxing, when what I did had remained short of it, carefully and deliberately.

Turnabout is fair play. Doxxing at this level is not illegal. Impersonation to defame is, just about everywhere.

So what did those IPs do? triggered the edit filter, generating a spam warning. It looks like he broke the comment into sections, and narrowed it down to the inclusion of five names, the names of AP targets, some obvious ones would be me, Rome Viharo, Emil Kirkegaard, Ben Steigmann, I’m not sure who else. Why would these names trigger an edit filter? I don’t know. It’s weird. The IP was blocked by CozmicDebris, for “doxing” and he reverted the edits — but did not hide them.

However, another IP appeared and restored that material, saying it was not doxxing. was not blocked, even though admittedly the same user as .225. At this point, the material is not blanked, but was collapsed by Debunking spirituality, who is, then, hiding fact about his brother. The original discussion on that user page for ODS was, now that we know more — Darryl advising Oliver about publishing the WMF email. Why? Who other than the brother — or someone closely allied — would care about that?

It would establish that included in the complaints leading to the global ban for Abd were complaints by an abusive sock master, blocked from editing Wikipedia since 2011, who could not have been a victim of personal abuse through the wiki system.

SO Darryl both collapsed the discussion and semiprotected the page.  The collapse header: “Abd ul-Rahman Lomax socking + spam” The semiprotection comment: “Spam and sock-puppeting from Abd Lomax.”

There were no external links or web site promotion in the collapsed material. The references to the cold fusion community site, recently (notably without links, have been from AP socks, almost certainly Darryl, from the long-term behavior.  If this were me, wouldn’t I at least include a direct or, almost as useful and impossible to filter out without major damage, spam-filter munged link (simply remove the http:// part and the rest of the URL should sail through a MediaWiki spam filter. I did that many times on Wikipedia, when I was fixing abusively blacklisted sites — before I was blocked there).

I also would not combine “spam” or “outing” or even “legal threats” with clearly disruptive edits, and would not telegraph them with user names broadcasting “Abd,” or, in one case, using my birth-name initials. No, this is obvious: Debunking spirituality is Darryl Smith, who is obsessed with me and with getting me blocked and banned, but his scheme is falling apart.

CheeseburgerFace, a relatively sane RW sysop and moderator commented, replying to the blanking by CozmicDebris, after the restored section by the new IP, which now displaying after the collapsed section, “@Cosmikdebris: This isn’t actually doxing. At least, I don’t think it is.”

“Abd ul-Rahman Lomax socking” was doxxing, purporting to reveal (without evidence or necessity) the real name of the anonymous user, which offense has been loudly alleged about me, over and over, not to mention the impersonation socks, which were blatant impersonations (as with many before, if anyone was taking the time to think. But “rational” on RationalWiki often means “whatever impulse I have without using evidence and logic.” Abusers are protected and article targets who complain or attempt to correct errors are attacked and blocked. “Socking” is rich. It is completely obvious that Debunking spiritualilty is a long-time user — and some of the accounts were blocked for serious offenses. ODS repeats, in an ensuing edit, that he’s created and worked on many articles. Not by that name! So he is “socking.” This is not normally considered a violation of policy on RW, unless your name is three letters, starting with A and ending with D.

I know how to create links to my blog on RationalWiki, if I want and need to. I have, so far, only created one, a link to an identification page, containing no other content, verifying the account putting it up as belonging to me. That comment is here. The edit was reverted by GrammarCommie, and the account was blocked by him for block evasion. So a block appeal is reverted as block evasion, turning a block into a ban. Way to go, GC. Brilliant. Step by step, I’m being pushed toward taking legal action for defamation. I have a legal theory that might be useful to test, that could blow the TOS protections out of the water. But I have not yet actually retained counsel or sued, I am considering legal action, the same as ODS, who, with his brother, loudly proclaims “legal threats,” but makes them himself.

The edit, which was a request to consider unblocking and resysopping, was collapsed, so the next time I do this, it will be on the Chicken Coop. I’m not in a rush because it’s likely a waste of time, but … I’ll get around to it. That account will also be disclosed. If the faction supporting ODS and his brother attempt to stop that, and if the RationalWiki community allows it, the entire community becomes responsible, just as we are all responsible if we allow lunatics to carry the nuclear football. “Responsible” means that reality just might punish us and all our children and our entire species. Or the whole wiki.

There are signs, though, that some moderators might actually take some interest.

This posting was then copied by Kujilia. I was not Kujilia, and I did not write (or know about) what is added to what I wrote. It was reverted, and Kujilia blocked, as “block evasion,” That could be because the user quotes my prior post, which then begins with “I,” so this would look like self-identification.

However, I wouldn’t have done that if I wanted to create what would look possibly independent. I’d have pointed to the original edit, then I’d have added anything new as not coming from Abd. A request for unblock and resysop with no account name in it would be really dumb.

Who was Kujilia? I don’t know for sure. I had a reason to suspect Darryl Smith, and the sloppiness points to that, but … would Darryl have added the new material (which certainly did not come from me) about David Gerard? I doubt Rome Viharo, very much, though the material is confirming a suspicion of his. More likely, if not a Smith impersonation sock, this would be one of the many enemies the Smiths have created.

However, the choice of user name points to Darryl, because I had [ added Kujilia] to the last checkuser request I filed on the WMF meta wiki, and, above, DS claims I had a vendetta against that user. In fact, I had a small suspicion created by a single edit on Wikipedia to an article of high interest to Oliver, and wrote that. Reviewing his edits in more detail, I doubt that he was a sock. But AP socks often attempt to inflame disagreements, to turn them to their own purposes.

As well, the editing pattern for Kujilia points to this being another AP sock. A flurry of quick edits, too quick to be written, copied and pasted, to get many edits in before being blocked. (I might use this technique, but … probably one edit in the right place, and not blatant and repeated vandalism or harassment, which is what AP socks do. Watch for a post to the Chicken Coop, with a quick post to the Saloon Bar, both using a named account confirmed on my blog Identification page, as before.

(Searching for the original text, the additional text was copied from Rome Viharo’s blog. AP socks do this to desensitize the community to the claims, to make it appear that it is all coming from “trolls” and people upset with “criticism of pseudoscience.” Notice that there are no actual links to the site, neither direct (like the link above) or spam or edit filter-evading, as would be:

If this is Darryl, then, he is actually attacking David Gerard, creating increased visibility for the Viharo page. The socks directly and clearly impersonating me also harassed Gerard, similarly.

An IP later linked to the original post by me.

I keep finding more and more stuff, such as a possible legal threat from GrammarCommie. If RW sysops and moderators had email enabled, they’d be getting information privately, but … they don’t, for the most part. How did I find this? By stalking GC? No. By the edits of the impersonation socks to the Nerd talk page. Since I was being impersonated, I looked at what they did. AP socks keep leaving trails like that. Months back, they led me to the current user page on Wikipedia for Joshua P. Schroeder, which I didn’t know until then. Why not? Because I wasn’t stalking him! If one looks at the article creations and comments of AP socks, they stalk their targets, obsessively and thoroughly and frequently. That’s easy to show….

So, Debunking skepticism contributions (as of March 1, he’s stopped editing and may or may not return. AP socks often disappear when accused) show a heavy obsession with me. And with his latest edits, he reverts the user Dealer, which is an impersonation sock, after my actual sock “The real deal,” and blocks him. He’s awfully quick, which I saw before with the first gaggle of impersonation or disruptive socks that appeared on RationalWiki, just before Skeptical blocked me.

They were, in fact, legal threats, the problem being a possible identification of the offender, which RoninMacbeth did not do (but Debunking spirituality did, when he was almost certainly the offender. There is only one known person who would behave as he did, as seen in history.)

The content of all of Dealer’s edits is the same, emphasis added:

The chickens are coming home to roost. The truth comes out. That is not a threat, it is simply reality. If Lomax files his contemplated action, he will likely be filing evidence with affidavits under penalty of perjury. You and the Rationalmedia Foundation will be sued. [[User:Dealer|Dealer]] ([[User talk:Dealer|talk]]) 05:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

This was copied from this edit of , blocked for “doxing” that wasn’t. But the statement, “You and the Rationalmedia [sic] Foundation will be sued” was supplied by whoever was trolling. As the correctly quoted part indicates, I am contemplating legal action, I do have sufficient grounds to file a case, and the author of this post knew enough law to know how evidence is created in a legal action. Sworn testimony! Trolls are accustomed to having no responsibility at all for lies they put up.

The context of that remark was claims from the AP socks that I might be lying about the Oliver emails. Indeed, I might be, but I’m not, and it would be singularly stupid, if I’m considering legal action. I would testify under oath, and if found to be lying, that could be prison time. Would Smith deny them under penalty of perjury? If I go into court with “unclean hands,” the chance of failure would increase substantially.

So the context was removed, and RW sysops without a knowledge of law might misinterpret the claim, presented out of context. I have listed possible defendants in an action, and they included the RMF, but not generally the people whose pages the threat was dropped on. I would certainly notify the RMF before filing and provide an opportunity to ameliorate harm.

This is simply more AP deception. The timing is totally obvious: Darryl (almost certainly him instead of Oliver), created the Dealer account and edited at mostly the maximum rate possible for a non-autoconfirmed account. Then he logged out and logged in as Debunking spiritualism, within two minutes, and proceeded to “clean up” the mess, blaming it all on me. Others see this and, without having background, find it plausible. It’s not. Tim Farley (Wikipedia user Krelnik), saw through the same tricks on Wikipedia with regard to Rome Viharo. Others fell for them in various cases. Too many administrators are one-eyed and have no depth perception.

Debunking spiritualism is Darryl L. Smith.

(There is other evidence from the old 2011 Wikipedia SPI case for Anglo Pyramidologist, confirming the brothers, but Oliver D. Smith’s testimony in his verified emails nails it.)

I will add revealed articles to the RationalWiki list of articles page. Darryl, in this case, started with a slew of minor articles on psychics or the like. ODS also revealed an article he had edited, but this was merely Krom, already well-known to be him.  He seems to think that I’m claiming he never did good work. I’ve never claimed that. Whether the work is “good” or not, however, is another story.

Debunking spiritualism on a rampage.

I just noticed that the only edit of Authentic has been revision-deleted. So here it is, with the involved log(s).

The edit. The content:

More impersonation socks

This account is verified as Abd ul-Rahman Lomax here. The many vandal and trolling accounts pretending to be me are impersonation socks, and the one who is intensely aware of them, obsessed by me, is … nah, you can figure it out. I could say more, but won’t. A word to the wise is sufficient. —Authentic (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Activity with this:

What “inappropriate account or personal information”? My blog is linked from my article, but the page linked above only contains identify verification, as can be seen.  No, this is actual suppression of legitimate and non-disruptive communication. The contributions and logs demonstrate the massive obsession of Debunking spiritualism (DS) with me. And I’m not a spiritualist — at all! I will, below, examine the full history of this account, which shows long-term Darryl Smith interest.

(cur | prev20:53, 5 March 2018‎ Deal (talk | contribs)‎ . . (105,474 bytes) (+512)‎  added the above, but did not use the header, and added to it, below, so  this is how it looks … and when they see this, they will likely more competently hide it, so there is at the bottom.

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax is being harassed by skeptics at Rationalwiki

This account is verified as Abd ul-Rahman Lomax here. The many vandal and trolling accounts pretending to be me are impersonation socks, and the one who is intensely aware of them, obsessed by me, is … nah, you can figure it out. I could say more, but won’t. A word to the wise is sufficient. —Authentic (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Deal is an impersonation sock, restoring what Darryl had rev-deleted, and adding a new subject header. That is his message, not mine. I am not being “harassed by skeptics.” Long story. The article is defamatory, and the impersonation socks are defamatory, but …. this isn’t “skeptics,” it is a long-term internet troll who pretends to be a skeptic because he found he could find cover with the RationalWiki community, and perhaps even payment, which a troll claimed here — as Darryl had claimed before with socks on Wikiversity and/or the meta wiki. The AP story is that I hate skeptics, which is ironic because I’m a skeptic, and even have credentials. “Skeptic” does not mean that one believes the JREF party line, real skeptics are very careful about “belief.” It doesn’t mean “debunker” who uses ad-hominem irrelevancies to attack what might be pseudoscience or woo, or what might simply be not understood by the debunker. I’m a Truzzi-style skeptic, I hope.

Much of this blog has been skeptical coverage of various cold fusion topics. I also write about the science, real science, published in mainstream peer-reviewed journals — and I don’t believe that just because something is published in such a journal, it is necessarily true. One of my friends, I think I can call him that, a hero of sorts, though, like most of us, a mixed bag, is Gary Taubes, debunker of Bad Science in many fields.

“Deal” is a takeoff on “The real deal“, previously authenticated by me,  and immediately blocked (by GrammarCommie, who is unlikely to be a Smith sock — but I now think that almost anything is possible. Smith socks have boasted having many accounts, including Wikipedia accounts. They know how to evade checkuser, but sometimes slip up — or don’t care.) The impersonation socks have included takeoffs like that, and part of the Smith method is utilizing confusion created by these names. He can suck in the unwary into thinking the accounts are actually the same.

Setting aside IP edits, the only actual edit by me, then in that recebnt history of the Saloon Bar was revision-deleted, username and edit summary deleted, by DS. Whereas the impersonation socks remain. (and, ironically, because of the impersonation sock, even the text and the link to my blog remain.

The impersonation socks that day, on the Saloon Bar:

A full disclosure is a takeoff on Full disclosure, registered at 20:43, blocked by DS at 20:47, and impersonated within a few minutes. (registration at 21:00) I had not yet authenticated the account.

A full disclosure added this to the Saloon Bar (it has been revision-deleted):

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax‎‎ is being impersonated and harassed by biased skeptic Rationalwiki trolls. It is clearly Tim Farley doing this. This was the same man who has harassed Rome Viharo. Lomax will document all this on

This is not my message at all. AP hides as a skeptic, and I have no quarrel with Tim Farley. (I’ve criticized his work, rather mildly, but he is not at all to blame for the impersonation socking, as far as I know. He actually pointed to an impersonation of Rome Viharo on Wikipedia, and the only thing really true here is being impersonated by “trolls” and documentation of the trolling. The community actually being disrupted is RationalWiki, what part of it isn’t AP dominated.

As to harassment, the article on me could be considered that, created and mostly edited by Darryl socks.

These Saloon Bar impersonation socks (and also disruptive elsewhere, with threats) were reverted and blocked: CF at 19:50 by ReadyMade, 35672 at 20:27 by Bongolian (not suspected of being an AP sock), Deal at 20:56 by DS, and A full disclosure at 21:03 by ReadyMade.

21:06, 5 March 2018‎ Readymade (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (104,736 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Changed protection level for “RationalWiki:Saloon bar“: Excessive vandalism: Lomax gonna lomax ([Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (expires 21:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite)))

By this time, Readymade has seen strong evidence that the disruption was not from me. My suspicion is now that Readymade is an AP sock, designed to hide the fact initially. It is also possible that he is just the common RW idiot, there are quite a few of those, too. His reaction to this comment from me was to simply revert it with “yeah yeah jimmy jimmy) .” That’s his right, but …. I wished him good luck and “all the best” and he removed it. So he won’t have good luck, and he will find “the best” elusive, not my problem, it is not even up to me, but to how he lives. The worst possible curse: condemned to edit RationalWiki. They think it is a joke that being blocked is a “promotion.”

The world outside is far more fun.

Signs to notice: account created Jan 1, 2018. User page: “I used to be here, but now I’m not. Also, tea.” So he is a returning user. Who was he? Somebody knows. Christopher welcomes him and offers to hide an IP edit to the Saloon Bar. I could find no trace of such an edit. Christopher was a tech, and, with moderators, which he also is, has the suppressrevision right, so he can hide edits even from sysops. Those who have database access (I don’t know who has that) could completely remove material from the database.

On January 9, Readymade was given autopatrolled, and sysop was offered. January 12, it was given by Spriggina. This is damn fast! I’ve seen this with AP socks, they are quickly opped. It’s fairly obvious, at least in some cases. There is off-wiki communication.

AP socks are being supported and enabled and also protected. Details are beginning to come out. They have often claimed it, see the Comment published here today, but this wasn’t the first claim.

(By the way, there is nothing illegal about being paid to edit RationalWiki. It is a TOS violation to be paid to edit Wikipedia, without disclosing it (with the account or accounts used), but that doesn’t make it illegal. What Smith socks have claimed would be grounds for a global WMF ban, in addition to impersonations, which also explicitly violate the TOS, besides being actually criminal. So the Smith claims about me are particularly ironic.) on Wikipedia was Darryl L. Smith.

16:50, 28 March 2015 User account Quack Hunter (talk | contribs) was created. An early edit to his user page added a JzG userbox. This links to an essay JzG wrote, Lunatic Charlatans. The Quack Hunter user page affirms and JzG material openly demonstrates JzG’s long-term defiance of neutrality policy. JzG got people banned for allegedly treating Wikipedia as a battleground, but he did this for many years. Later events have create substantial suspicion of collusion with the Smith brothers, as claimed by them.

“Wikipedia administrators love us,” an AP sock claimed to me (believed to be Darryl L. Smith). In the light of subsequent events, it’s an astonishing revelation. AP socks lie routinely, but there are bursts of truth. So I will go over this comment.

You can delete this message if you like. Just to let you know I will not be further engaging you. It seems you live for this drama, I will not longer be involved.

At that point, I was simply documenting the obvious impersonation and other disruptive socking of an LTA, having seen evidence that linked this to the Anglo Pyramidologist family of socks, and that had attacked a Wikiversity user and a Wikiversity educational resource (which was neutral, but the antifringe faction treats anything short of their extreme point of view as “promoting pseudoscience,” or the like.

I will do my best behind the scenes via email to get admins to delete all your material.

He did exactly that, and his brother joined in, and so did two long-term factional Wikipedians.

If you want to spend the rest of your life stalking someone that is up to you, but it is not healthy.

Concern trolling. I doubt that I will “spend the rest of my life” with this study, because it is leading up to legal action which may resolve this not only for me but for many others.

I object to such a thing. I am done with this. I would like to add though that AngloPyramidologist is innocent.

He’s not innocent, but he was probably not the creator of the massive socks I was looking at then. This is Darryl saying that his brother is innocent of that, thus agreeing with what his brother has claimed. But both have used impersonation socks

If you want the debunker of parapsychology/or pseudoscience it is me.

This would be GoblinFace, but there is another possibility. There is an older brother in the family. So far, though I have not seen enough evidence to warrant mentioning his name..

I have debated [redacted] in the past, he knows who I am, I have talked to him on Wikipedia in 2014. I have nothing against [redacted] personally, unfortunately he uses Wikipedia to promote his fringe beliefs, he promised in 2014 not to come back but his mistake was coming back in 2017.

The user mentioned did minor socking on Wikipedia, and a request for checkuser was filed by,  Michael skater claiming to be a Wikiversity user. He was lying. This was Darryl L. Smith, also known as Quack Hunter/GoblinFace, and by many other names.

That is something I object to, and of course the admins were too slow in banning his psychicbias and myerslover account. So you see I had to get him banned.

He is here admitting to the impersonation socking (confirmed by checkusers, including when they globally locked this account). This is, in fact, how he thinks. He thinks of “fringe beliefs” as enemies of rationality and humanity, and therefore to be attacked and “fringe believers” silenced, and he is willing to lie and deceive to achieve this noble goal.

Take care. Btw I do object to the ‘troll’ allegations. I have written over 250 articles on Wikipedia. As to this very day 30/9/2017 I have four Wikipedia accounts and 12 others I occasionally use, the admins are only interested in banning vandals. If you are atheist, pro-skeptic like me and debunking fringe beliefs the admins love us.

He thinks so, and for the faction he interacts with, generally, he is correct. Reviewing enforcement on Wikipedia, “pro-fringe” gets sanctioned and banned quickly, whereas “pro-skeptics” get a pass, even when behavior grossly violates policies. I was banned on Wikipedia, to make a long story short, because I confronted — successfully! — bias like this. I’m not the only one. Anyone who confronted the “cabal” — it was called in media — was attacked and worn down and rubbed out. In this affair, that faction reached out and corrupted Wikiversity.

I can’t go wrong. I was even offered paid work from the owner of a skeptic group.

His brother wrote that “to his knowledge” he was paid or working with an organization. This would be an off-wiki organization organized to promote skeptical points of view on Wikipeda. There are several possibilities.

I still create articles perhaps 12 or so a week.

It’s plausible. There are possible suspects, but nothing where I have enough evidence, so far, to name them. I will be bringing 0n-line more powerful sock detection tools, that can be effective with users with high contribution counts. No sense revealing them yet.

I have serious knowledge and I have improved the Wikipedia in skeptical related articles in relation to fringe beliefs. Your statement we are all vandals or doing illegal activity is false.

I never said that. This kind of straw man argument is common for AP socks. However, impersonation to defame is illegal in the United Kingdom, where Darryl is presumed to live. The reports I was writing were about “Anglo Pyramidologist,” known to be two people. No claim was ever made that all activity was vandalism or illegal.

Take care and Good bye. My advise for you would be to give up. You are fighting a war you cannot win. You will never work out who I am or get rid of me from Wikipedia. Leon. [[User:From a tower|From a tower]] ([[User talk:From a tower|talk]]) 01:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I have already won, because my goal is not personal and I am not personally attached. My goal is for truth to out, and it does. I testify to what I know, when it has relevance to real issues. Wikiversity was lost, but …. it’s not over till it’s over, and I have only begun the process to address that. I wanted to research the issues in depth, and the exact nature of the corruption and disruption is becoming clear, it all fits together, and this is based on the verifiable evidence that I’ve been collecting. It is indeed a larger story than two crazy brothers. I had already abandoned Wikiversity for personal use, concluding that it was not safe from exactly the kind of disruption that appeared and demonstrated it. I was able to rescue all content of importance to me and others.

He did not abandon confrontation, he merely shifted tactics, and, I suspect, engaged his brother. The two of them could disrupt and claim that they were not the same person. Because they weren’t. Something shifted in the steward responses. For some time, all my requests were promptly actioned. Rather abruptly, that stopped and I was accused of filing frivolous reports. But they were not frivolous and were supported by an administrator. What had been a friendly environment on Wikiversity turned, almost overnight, into very hostile. How that happened was actually clear, the acting bureaucrat explained it.

Private complaints. Star chamber process, presented with plausible but highly misleading evidence, which is what the Smiths do on RationalWiki routinely.

Quack Hunter had previously written, on Wikipedia, when blocked for sock puppetry

Those accounts are not me, indeed I stepped in on the SPI because I knew it was filed as a joke.. There is four people editing from my IP address and one of them is a young family member who has a tendency to create sock puppets, joke accounts or edit silly articles in favor of fringe beliefs. If you look at my edits you will see I am not the same person. My account and the Steve account (another family member) are proper accounts. [[User:Quack Hunter|Quack Hunter]] ([[User talk:Quack Hunter#top|talk]]) 00:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The Anglo Pyramidologist SPI 24 December 2014. is where Quack Hunter is shown as suspected. Remarkable there. Logos was suspected, and it is noticed that some likely socks had repeated Logos arguments. That is an AP behavior, I’ve seen it on RationalWiki. Socks appear, often with names designed to seem like they might be me (or even using my real full name), and vandalize and threaten users with legal action. Impersonation socking. Looking through this, I find many blatant AP disruptive user names, as appeared on Wikiversity and meta, found to be “Michael skater” socks. the same pattern had long existed on RationalWiki. Names like Jon Donnis Rome Viharo with an ectoplasm on top. I can show from other pages many names like this.

But the Quack Hunter account had not been created! What happened? Looking at the edits of the user who filed the case, they are missing. The SPI case pages are very poorly set up, and archiving process seems to be erratic. When cases are merged, it is copy and past, often, not an edit history merge. And when the original page is deleted, as these often are, the edit history is lost. Did the filer actually accuse an account that did not exist yet? Or was that added later in some edit to a deleted page? It’s a mess.

I could find no record of Quack Hunter “stepping in on an SPI.” There is no known Smith brother younger than Oliver and Darryl. There is an older brother, I won’t name.

The Anglo Pyramidologist SPI 10 June 2015. would ostensibly be the report of the identification of Quack Hunter, but he is not mentioned there. However, his edit to his talk page, linked above, was linked from it. It appears that he was blocked by Tiptoety

Quack Hunter went on:

The same thing happens every year Tipoety – I will give you one example, my previous account was Goblin Face  [link to Sockpuppet_investigations/Goblin_Face/Archive] highly respected Wikipedia account. Basically I am a hard working Wikipedia editor with decent contributions to this website.

This matches the opinion of self expressed by the checkuser-identified as an LTA, From_a_tower. GoblinFace may indeed be respected by some, but detested by others. I had noticed his activity before, but I was not editing Wikipedia and chalked it up as the usual usual there. He fitted into the antifringe faction (which often loses before the Arbitration Committee, whenever there is broad attention, but then acts to ban opponents.)

Outside of Wikipedia I own a skeptic website and I am a rather well known debunker of paranormal/pseudoscience claims.

So who is this? The well-known brother is Oliver D. Smith, but there is little on the twin brother Darryl L. Smith. “Debunker” is a point-of-view position. He is acknowledging pushing a point of view on Wikipedia and might even have a conflict of interest.

Every year my brother basically creates socks and messes around on this website ruining it for me in anyway he can – like I said unfortunately he always does this, he has a form of mental illness, I work and am not at home all day so I don’t truly know what he is up to.

Oliver D. Smith has acknowledged a schizophrenia diagnosis. There is a rumor of an anxiety disorder, which could go together with schizophrenia. However, the story told in 2011 in the original Anglo Pyramidologist sock investigation was a bit different. AP was interested in classics and Atlantis and has published a paper on Atlantis under peer review, and has a Wikia site on Atlantis. But Oliver is not known for crazy user names. He does create socks freely. I documented a recent series of them on Encyclopedia Dramatica, where he was attacking me.

He has a history of trolling the Atlantis article, insulting other editors, creating silly names or messing around on articles and other pseudohistoric related articles.

“Atlantis” would indicate Oliver. However, the “silly names” were used on Wikiversity and meta, attacking me for exposing impersonations designed to attack a user interested in parapsychology, and to attack the educational resource. This would not be Oliver, it would be Darryl. To be sure, the above was 2015, and the attacks were 2017. Maybe Darryl decided to adopt the Oliver strategy.

He repeatedly states to me he needs to be banned on Wikipedia because he can’t refrain himself from doing this.

I can believe it. However, being banned doesn’t stop him. He has continued to edit, I found socks referring to his published paper and there were recent socks tagged on matters of interest. He does create impersonation socks, but not the blatant, totally silly, obvious attack accounts. Just a bit more subtle.

Obviously I can’t win on this issue. All the accounts will be blocked even all the good stuff I do because of his vandalism, it has happened many times before.

This is bullshit. I wrote to Oliver Smith, when he was directly emailing me, that what he needed to do to clean up the whole mess was just to tell the truth. Darryl could have done the same thing, adding a few precautions, rather obvious ones. Don’t use the same computer and don’t edit from the same IP. In fact, the brothers did learn to use open proxies, but may occasionally slip and then they get tagged. But they are both defacto banned, each for what they personally did.

But you can easily see my editing from his if you spend honest time looking into the matter. Regards. I am not further responding. [[User:Quack Hunter|Quack Hunter]] ([[User talk:Quack Hunter#top|talk]]) 00:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I have spent a great deal of time since September, 2017, studying the edits of these brothers. It is not “easy” to distinguish them. Yes, there are certain characteristics that stand out, their interests, and mannerisms that create the “duck test.” But … there is crossover. Both brothers retreat behind a fog of lies and attacks and massive confusion. Quack Hnnter neverthless went on, with even more:

Basically the minority of skeptic accounts are all me, I don’t deny this I am a productive Wikipedia editor who opposes fringe beliefs and vandalism. I find Wikipedia is a useful website to debunk pseudoscience claims with decent references. But the joke accounts/ or accounts pushing fringe beliefs with silly names are not me. This can be easily proved. Look even at the log in times. He has attempted to pretend all the accounts are him to annoy me. I am ”’NOT”’ Anglo Pyramidologist  or any of [the] Bookworm44 socks. Look at my posts, I have debunked such crackpottery as pyramid power. I do not hold any fringe beliefs.

The accounts “pushing fringe beliefs” would generally be impersonation socks. Oliver was fringe on certain matters, before, but found his bread got more butter aligning with RationalWiki and the skeptic movement.These are all accounts to be blocked on Wikipedia, because they are socks of either Oliver or Darryl or impersonations of others, and the Wikiepdians don’t care.

It took me months to become familiar with this tangled mess. The original SPI case mentions the brothers, it appears that both brothers used

This is obvious: with the home situation described, don’t use IP!!! In that case, Darryl makes a complicated and difficult to read statement, a wall of text. He is describing the situation of his twin brother, Oliver. From what I have learned about the situation, Darryl was generally telling the truth, but that truth would also be likely to get him banned. He was about 20 or 21, and not well-educated. It is still unknown what education he has, but definitely, he is not a scientist, as he says, though as a RationalWiki editor he spouts off with ignorant opinions on science, and the same elsewhere.

The next filing, 15 June 2011, has more “brother” information. Back to what Quack Hunter wrote about his brother.

His statement here is not true [User_talk:Doug_Weller]. All the accounts under Anglo Pyramidologist/BookWorm44 are him, ”’not”’ me. I don’t mind you filing it all under Goblin Face – I guess you can’t be bothered to put his accounts under his and mine under mine so that won’t happen (it would be nice if you did though), but please put a message on there at least that there is two of us on the same IP i.e. on the sock puppet investigation page or put a link over there of my post here… I am definitely not him. I don’t particularly want all his crackpottery or loads of accounts filed under my username, but I guess that is what is going to happen. Please look into this, not just because you can’t be bothered and it is an easy block. I am telling the truth here. Regards. David. [[User:Quack Hunter|Quack Hunter]] ([[User talk:Quack Hunter#top|talk]]) 18:21, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

He might be telling the truth, but radically unskillfully. He calls himself “David,” which is not the name of any known Smith brother. With the “not true” comment, he is claiming that JohnJons is his brother. That obvious sock (but of whom?) JohnJOns lists a series of articles and accounts. Johnjons does not claim to be Oliver Smith. This would look more like an enemy, but surely Darryl would know. Unless Quack Hunter is an impersonation, which isn’t impossible.

But unlikely.

What JohnJons caaims:

Anglo_Pyramidologist is Goblin Face, just recently banned on a major sock farm. There are his banned socks logged under the same name such as Anglo Pyramidologist Returns. He’s been revisiting the British Israelism entry under different socks for years, and even speaking to you. The only difference is that he is now anti-BI, and people don’t recognize this. Some of his socks that edited the BI entry: AncientScribalPhiloSemiticGeekHerodotusReader. Note he was also on the Chronicles of Eri as IrishBookofInvasons and on Laurence Waddell on WaddellSumerianOldScrolls etc, as well as re-editing his old AngloP contributions such as Ethel Bristowe. As far as I’m aware no one has picked up on this, and not filed it under Anglo Pyramidologist. When this AngloP is banned he always uses the same excuse the socks are his brothers or sisters in his house. Its obvious though this is all one individual based on the edit history overlap. Also, between the Goblin Face and Anglo Pyramidologist sock archives, was another sock farm owned by AngloP: BookWorm44. If you look at edits, and account names they are connected. The only ‘missing year’ for AngloP is 2013. However it turns out at the start of that year he went to Metapedia, and became a sysop there for a short while (until Dec. 2013). On Goblin Face, various of his blocked socks have tried to remove the mention of “Atlantid” on the Metapedia entry here, including a sock called Atlantid. All the socks on the race talk page are the same person, i.e. AngloP (blocked under Goblin Face or “Quack Hunter” filed as a checkuser sock of Goblin) e.g. Ralph RoadrashPalaeoresearcher, etc. Note Atlantid/AngloP’s enemy is Mikemikev (formerly also) from Metapedia who he was debating on the race talk Wikipedia entry. In October 2014, it was AngloP on his sock FossilMad who reported and banned Mikemikev again for sockpuppetry. Atlantid/Anglo_Pyramidologist are confirmed to be the same editor off Wikipedia, but I won’t link to anything. This though can easly be confirmed by running google checks on both names. JohnJons (talk) 00:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

And another sock blocked. JohnJons is Goblin Face. Doug Weller (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The block was issued by Tiptoety, checkuser. It is then likely that JohnJons is the same user as Quack Hunter. I find it unlikely that Oliver Smith would write the above description about himself. The Metapedia story is correct, I think. Bookworm44 appears to be an AP sock, probably Oliver.


But why would Oliver make the “single person” claim. And why would, then, Darryl care? There is a lot more to be found. There were various






Anglo Pyramidologist

If you see this page on an internet archive, it may have been updated and errors corrected. Always check the current version of archived pages!

Confirmed as Oliver D. Smith. (Copyright unknown. Fair use claimed.)

Anglo Pyramidologist (AP) is a Wikipedia account, created 14 February 2011 , see the block log.

As well, see the SPI case archive. Early on, in 2011, it was claimed that there were two users involved, brothers, sometimes editing from the same location (their family home). An IP claimed to be the “other brother,” not AP.

In many places, Oliver D. Smith has acknowledged being AP. He has also claimed, repeatedly, that most of the accounts tagged as AP are not him, but his twin brother, known to be Darryl L. Smith. Oliver Smith was outed years ago, and widely. In many places, though, where people who have been harassed have criticized and documented him, he has repeatedly claimed that he was not the accounts some have associated him with. This is consistent with those accounts being his brother, who, just as AP shifted from being a white nationalist, apparently, to being antifascist and antiracist, shifted from being a fringe or pseudoscience believer to being a “skeptic,” and Oliver wrote about his brother that, “to his knowledge, he was being paid or working with an organization.”

Summary: the family of Anglo Pyramidologist socks is Oliver D. Smith and Darryl L. Smith, twin brothers. It is unknown to me if they are identical twins or merely fraternal. Oliver Smith has openly acknowledged being at least some of the AP socks. See the Identity subpage. for information on how Oliver D. Smith was identified, and Darryl L. Smith, for information about his twin, who, as a real-life identity, is far less visible, so far, but whom Oliver Smith blames for most (“99.9%,” an obvious exaggeration) of the sock puppets identified.

Recently, as there started to be heat on Darryl L. Smith, Oliver claimed that it was all him, he had been lying since 2011 to avoid a block on Wikipedia and to confuse those who were stalking him.

I thought about what to call this page. Anglo Pyramidologist was the name of an early appearance of the user — or family of users –, and the primary Wikipedia Sock Puppet Investigation page uses that name. There is another account sometimes used to refer to the user or family (Atlantid). One of the characteristics of AP socks is impersonation, and it is possible that

  • There have been impersonations of AP.
  • There have been accounts incorrectly identified with AP.
  • There are family members — or friends — who have been tagged because of using family IP or computers This can also happen from sharing internet access, not only at home, but also at, say, a cafe or library.

In the fog created by all these possibilities, what can be known? Plenty.

AP has had certain identifiable interests and practices, leading to the “duck test,” which is often so clear on Wikipedia that an SPI will be closed with no checkuser. That process, however, has been vulnerable to impersonation socks, designed to target an individual by creating blatantly abusive socks. It is very clear that this has happened, and it is likely that both brothers have used impersonations, either for defamation or to confuse reviewers.

My long-term practice in many fields is to collect and present evidence first, before drawing conclusions. Such collections may involve days or weeks of research, or more. Ideally, I come back and summarize and may draw some conclusions. But understanding derives from experience, not so much from analysis and conclusions. Here I am initially collecting reports on the identity and behavior of “AP socks.” These come from sources of varied probity and reliability. AP has attacked anyone who has exposed him, and he threatened me that he would not rest until all my work was deleted. He’s had some “success” in that; but he does it by presenting “plausible lies” to those inclined not to look  carefully. That all, in time, is being documented. I will stop collecting data when I die, which will happen soon enough. I’m not dead yet.

I have now been looking at many hundreds of possible AP edits and accounts.  Patterns appear and become obvious, and I begin to state conclusions. However, I do not expect anyone to “believe” my conclusions, though I do request the courtesy of either examining evidence or suspending judgment. I will review pages and posts reviewing AP socks on subpages.

The first page I saw was one of the Rome Viharo pages. Rome Viharo was Wikipedia editor tumbleman, and a handful of socks. “Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition,” and not on Wikipedia, countless editors have shown up, believing that Wikipedia was run according to the generally-excellent policies, and it usually is, but where there is a strong faction, a faction that includes a few administrators, with a strong point of view, it often is not. This exception will generally aligned with what is believed to be a “majority point of view.” The problem is not the point of view, in itself, but the methods used to imbalance articles well beyond “due weight,” which methods include targeting and banning those believed to have some “minority point of view.” As if point of view is Bad. (That idea, that “POV-pushers” are to be banned, has resulted in long-term corruption of what could otherwise be genuine consensus.)

These methods include what I have called “attack dogs.” These are users willing to stretch the limits and even act outside them, but who are mysteriously protected and often not sanctioned. With many years of experience, I have concluded they are protected because they serve others allied against some minority view, who are not willing to risk sanctions themselves. Rome Viharo independently came to similar conclusions.

Some pages here on Anglo Pyramidologist:

Wikipedia/Anglo Pyramidologist list of suspected (and often checkusered) socks including IP. Mostly organized by date of checkuser requests or IP discovery.

MrRowser a brief SPA, mentioned in passing (not actually accused), came back recently to attack the studies. Clearly AP from the later comments.

RationalWiki/Anglo Pyramidologist list of suspected RW socks organized by article or page of interest.

Geolocation List of identified IP addresses. There is a map.

Skeptical an obvious AP sock, the one who blocked me on RationalWiki for “doxxing” that was not doxxing. Listing accounts is not doxxing. Naming real persons behind an account is minimal doxxing, and thus this page doxxes AP socks. When an account defames and libels, it looses privacy rights.

AP socks commonly claim that the “Smith brothers conspiracy theory” is an invention and claim with no evidence. In fact, the idea of brothers originally came from the socks themselves. From the Wikipedia Sock Puppet Investigation in April, 2011. “we have a claim of that he is not his brother (Anglo Pyramidologist) but that they sometimes edit from the same house.” There are details about alleged positions on issues. 

In June, 2011, there are more comments from Livingintheforests (the “other brother,” not Anglo) that Anglo is thulist88, again with more details about points of view.

Many analysts don’t make the brother claim, but some do. My own opinion has become that are indeed two major users behind “AP,” matching the stories of “Oliver D. Smith” and “Darryl L. Smith.” Some alleged these are twins. Oliver has confirmed that, and public records confirmed that they are the same age. Another possibility is a multiple personality (deliberate or otherwise), which would require, however, that the impersonated twin be silent.

There are various sites and pages covering Anglo Pyramidologist. It has been claimed on RationalWiki that I am supporting the people who wrote those pages. I have not necessarily investigated the various positions of these people (beyond, a little, Rome Viharo). These sites, however, provide clues for further investigation. I will comment a little on each. Inclusion here is in no way an approval of or ratification of the politics or content of a site, unless that is specifically expressed. This is material for research.


Rome Viharo, the blogger, was attacked on Wikipedia by a skeptical faction there. I had also confronted that faction (and anyone who confronts that faction is risking their account).

However, until recently, I was not aware of extensive socking as part of the problem. Rome started out by describing certain users who are not suspected of being AP.

AP socks commonly lie about Rome Viharo, and an AP sock just posted to my RationalWiki article a comment I made several years ago, on RationalWiki — I had forgotten all about this —  that Rome Viharo was a troll (specifically, that what appeared to be his RationalWiki editing was trolling, not that he was trolling elsewhere.) When I first saw this, I thought that I may have been writing about an impersonation sock. No, it was about the RomeViharo account on RW, which was almost certainly Rome. My fuller comment places this in better context. I was critical of Rome, and have been, as well, recently, though about older posts of his.

Rome has been impersonated and extensively maligned and threatened, and people who go through that often are not polite and carefully correct in response. However, I wrote “opinionated self-important blowhard.” At that point, I had given up on RationalWiki, my edits were few, but that kind of rhetoric was common RationalWiki snark. I apologize to Rome for writing that, it was beyond the pale. He was merely wrong.

This is not the point here. The point is what claims are being made about Anglo Pyramidologist (or Atlantid, or other equivalent names).

Skeptic Sockpuppet army gets busted on Wikipedia. November 15, 2015. Understates the problem.

Latest Email threatens to increase harassment if I don’t stop reporting on it. November 30, 2015. The style resembles the style of threats I received. Threat of impersonation socks to ruin his reputation. Actual sock had been created and wrote fake opinion. At this point he did not have a name.

WP Editor Manul tries to bully WP Admin Liz on Wikipedia, continues with ‘Tumbleman’ paranoia. January 8, 2016. There are some claims here that I may follow up on when I begin to document the “fellow travellers” who have supported and been supported by Anglo Pyramidologist socks. I am indirectly mentioned — I had an article in that issue of Current Science, which is a mainstream peer-reviewed journal. I had seen discussion of it on Wikipedia, which was all strange. Long-term, peer-reviewed reviews of cold fusion have been excluded. The argument might generally be “undue weight,” but where are the reviews in the other direction? Recent reviews are disregarded and very old reviews — that may have reflected the status of cold fusion at the time, perhaps more than twenty years ago — are instead emphasized. In this post, however, Viharo mentions the Smith brothers.

One of those editors on Wikipedia is ‘Goblin Face‘, who edited on the Sheldrake article as ‘Dan Skeptic’. Dan Skeptic was one of over 50 sock puppet accounts used by a ‘skeptic army’ on Wikipedia which has now been busted and linked to the Smith brothers, Oliver and Daryll.

The Smith brothers picked up where Manul left off with their original slanderous comments and began a campaign of harassment and slander which they took to Rational Wiki, Reddit, and Encyclopedia Dramatica, Wikia, and a host of other forums.

When I started to study the AP sock disruption, I mentioned Manul (the former vzaak). It was a casual mention, not an accusation of any wrong-doing. Yet I was immediately attacked by AP sock puppets for that mention, one of the attacking accounts was named Friend of Manul.

Viharo does not provide a source for the Smith brothers claim. The page he links (also linked above) doesn’t contain any mention of Smith.

What will Wikipedia and RationalWiki editor Goblin Face/Atlantid do next? February 19, 2016. This is covered elsewhere. It has a claim of identity of the sock master as Oliver D. Smith. No source.

Factual harassment versus fictional harassment, Deepak Chopra’s Wikipedia article reflects larger problem. March 26, 2016

I’ve seen evidence for much of what Viharo claims, but I wouldn’t expect others to believe it from what he writes, there are too many claims without evidence. It’s a blog, one can simply state one’s opinion on a blog. It is also difficult to establish interest such that people will read evidence, but if the evidence is not available, it’s impossible. Few will do independent research. Most people just react, believing whatever they want to believe. So-called skeptics can be even worse than ordinary people in this way.

Clear Language, Clear Mind (Emil Kirkegaard)

This is reasonably correct, but does not directly provide evidence about identity (though this is where I got the photo of Oliver D. Smith. I have verified a few facts stated there. For example, Kirkegaard claims that he compiled a list of RationalWiki socks and was then blocked for doxxing. That’s true. The list was compiled on his user page. It was as archived. It was not doxxing, it was a claim of socking, which is very, very different. It was deleted by Skeptical, an AP RW sysop (who was shortly to disappear when outed).

Just about Skeptical’s last cough (November 7, 2017):

Hi Oliver!

How’s it been holding up big guy? Parkordude91

Abd Lomax’s conspiracy theory about my identity is getting old… I’m not that person. […] Skeptical (talk) 03:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

At that point, “Oliver” hadn’t been mentioned by me, as I recall. It was all over the internet, though, long before I was aware of the existence of these socks. Skeptical’s behavior had led me to conclude, by about the time Skeptical blocked me, that he was indeed AP. Emil points to my small study of Skeptical.

Other links from his page:

  • Lolcow Wiki, archived from April 2017. Someone did a lot of research. The foundation is laid, thoroughly, for a claim that Atlantid and the rest are Oliver D. Smith. There is also mention of the brother, but the link is dead. There are many socks I recognize from my own research, but others I had not found and will investigate. I recall an AP sock claiming that the Smith brothers story came from Encyclopedia Dramatica, and from what I show below, the clear identification as Oliver D. Smith may indeed have come from there. It’s completely plausible and is at least roughly confirmed by other sources, such as a Smith bio on Wikia.

I’m skipping the three Encyclopedia Dramatica links. There is some research there into early activities, but it’s not worth digging through the noise — and exposing others to it through links.

I found another Lolcowiki discussion.

It gives a home address. There is a reference to another discussion which has a list of five names, appearing to have been taken from some directory, all at the same address, which would be Oliver’s mother and father and then his two brothers. Darryl and Oliver are listed as the same age, roughly confirming the idea I’ve seen that these are twin brothers. I’m putting that address into the IP map database for comparison. (that other discussion shows what purports to be a threat from Oliver Smith to harass Joshua Connor Moon (of Lolcow wiki). I’m not showing more evidence here on that, but apparently there was real-life harassment and damage.


On the issue of the real-life identity of Anglo Pyramidologist, I spent a day compiling information, shown on the Identity subpage.

I received some comments from Anglo Pyramidologist (apparently). I don’t want those conversations featured on the blog home page, so they are moved to a comments subpage. 

Anglo Pyramidologist

I will be reporting newer activity on this page: wikipedia/anglo-pyramidologist/new/


This study of the massive socking called “Anglo Pyramidologist” was originally on the meta wiki, the first study having been moved from wikiversity to avoid disruption, as the file User:Abd/LTA/Anglo Pyramidologist, but was deleted there for mysterious reasons, given that it was the source, the evidence, for a list of socks that was allowed by the same steward. That page was ported here from an archive of the meta page and I am removing all the chatty discussion of why I started the study, etc., the page before such stripping can be read at

When hosted on meta,  I attempted to comply with WMF privacy policy, and some material was not disclosed there, that is disclosed here, where there is no such restriction. This user is the most disruptive and libelous I have ever seen, and does not deserve protection, and those who are protecting him (and there are some), are taking a side against decency, not to mention WMF neutrality policy.


  • MrRowser deserves a special honor being at this point the most recent identified AP sock to edit using his account. (Identified by the duck test.)  There are other new IP accounts listed.
 There are indications that AP is more than one person, twin brothers are often mentioned on other sites (Oliver D. Smith and Darryl L. Smith) and there may be a third brother or a sister (HealthyGirl?). Behavioral differences may be seen.
Recently (April 7 2018) Oliver D. Smith claimed he had been lying since 2011, that there is no brother, he made up the story to get unblocked. However, in many other places, Oliver Smith  claimed that most socking had been his brother, (example) and there are at least two apparent personalities (sets of interests) involved. (In fact, it’s clear there is a brother, but the issue would be who did all the socking, including impersonations and other major disruption…. He is really saying it was all him, and that his brother is “innocent.”)
Complicating matters is that, as Anglo Pyramidologist is known to impersonate enemies in order to bring down  the thunder on them, it is possible that he has also been impersonated. He has not complained about this, as far as I know, with specifics in any context where claims could be verified. It has not been investigated using checkuser or similar tools, to my knowledge. I am finding, for sure, strong signs that almost all of the activity is coming from one location in England, where IP can be identified (the user often uses open proxies, but not always).
This will be covered in the IP section.
On Wikipedia, though, all the accounts are classified as Anglo Pyramidologist, they don’t really care if it is one or two people, if they behaviorally match one of the tagged accounts, and/or are confirmed by checkuser (which can fail to distinguish between people using the same internet access).
I was banned by the WMF, reasons not explained, and will be pursuing recourse on that. What is known is that there were complaints, and the documentation of the AP socks figured prominently; Oliver Smith, in particular, published, on RationalWiki, the WMF response to his complaint. He was quite proud of it.


Inclusion of an account here is not a claim that identification is correct, only that it — or suspicion — can be documented in some way. If a claim is included that is not documented, correction is invited.
The recent activity has been through SPAs, which register and dive immediately into high conflict discussions, these are easily recognized. Most recently, open proxies and then mobile phone IP addresses have been used
You can delete this message if you like. Just to let you know I will not be further engaging you. It seems you live for this drama, I will not longer be involved. I will do my best behind the scenes via email to get admins to delete all your material.
He meant it, and he has done just that, but was lying when he said he would not be involved. He continued to create sock puppets — or to create disruption with open proxies and then mobile IP>
If you want to spend the rest of your life stalking someone that is up to you, but it is not healthy.
On his favorite web site, RationalWiki, that is called “concern trolling.” The sock master has obviously been stalking Ben Steigmann, then me, and many others.
I object to such a thing. I am done with this.
Excellent, but he just contradicted that with a threat of endless effort.

I would like to add though that AngloPyramidologist is innocent. If you want the debunker of parapsychology/or pseudoscience it is me.

This would be, I tentatively assume, Darryl Smith, whereas AP was Oliver Smith. I don’t really care. Both were disruptive and the checkuser evidence does not distinguish. There does appear to be crossover, i.e., some shared interests. If the original AP is inactive, good for him, but the other brother, then has also taken on some of his brother’s interests, because the original patterns still show up.

I have debated Ben in the past, he knows who I am, I have talked to him on Wikipedia in 2014. I have nothing against Ben personally, unfortunately he uses Wikipedia to promote his fringe beliefs, he promised in 2014 not to come back but his mistake was coming back in 2017.

Obsession with Ben Steigmann is an AP trait.

Take care. Btw I do object to the ‘troll’ allegations. I have written over 250 articles on Wikipedia. As to this very day 30/9/2017 I have four Wikipedia accounts and 12 others I occasionally use, the admins are only interested in banning vandals.

Most of the provocative posts this user made were trolling, poking, attempting to find some vulnerability that could be exploited. On Wikipedia, this user, perhaps hiding his true mission, would poke and provoke until a naive user explodes … and then he can get the person blocked for incivility. There is a trail of wreckage, if one were to look back.

If you are atheist, pro-skeptic like me and debunking fringe beliefs the admins love us.

If admins love this, they have lost the core of Wikipedia, NPOV, in favor of something they like personally. I could think of a couple who might, but most would recoil in horror, and the SPOV faction has lost every time the issue comes to serious community attention.

I can’t go wrong. I was even offered paid work from the owner of a skeptic group.

There are possible connections between AP, the faction mentioned, and a well-known “skeptic group,” but others are working on that aspect of this. I’m not, at this point. That is, I think this may be true, and I may know who that “owner” is. However, I also know that it is possible that some enemy of those people is pretending to be their friend, here.


I still create articles perhaps 12 or so a week. I have serious knowledge and I have improved the Wikipedia in skeptical related articles in relation to fringe beliefs.

I have found some recent activity, but I have not begun systematic study. Now, if this is true, why would he tell me? Indications are that this person is mid-twenties, and is obviously arrogant. He is likely unaware of all the ways that activity can be studied, that socks can be identified. He may imagine that certain defenses are impregnable. Truth, however, tends to out. If he stops attempting to disrupt Wikiversity, and to attack me, maybe I’ll never get to it. He’s been quiet for a day now. I’ve been warned that these people never give up, so we’ll see.

Your statement we are all vandals or doing illegal activity is false.

First of all, there may only be one of him. Secondly, impersonation with intention to defame is a crime almost everywhere.

This is common in his arguments, they misrepresent what has been said. It has not been claimed that the accounts or IPs are “all vandals or doing illegal activity.”

Take care and Good bye. My advise for you would be to give up. You are fighting a war you cannot win.

I’ve already won, thanks to reality. Survival is a game that we always lose, eventually, if that’s the game we play and the war we fight. However, at my age, every day that I’m still alive is a victory, and the mystery is how many more I have left to win.

You will never work out who I am or get rid of me from Wikipedia.

Leon. From a tower (talk) 01:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC) [this section has a link to the edit in the heading]

Relying on sources I consider reasonably reliable, I have some developed opinions as to personal identity, I’ve mentioned that. This would be AP/D, probably. It doesn’t matter. I’m unlikely to sue, because I have not been damaged. Some, however, might.

If Wikipedia is infested with him, that’s their problem, not mine. No critical interest of mine depends on Wikipedia at all. Nor, in fact, on Wikiversity or any WMF wiki. There are sincere people there, working for the goal of a user-created encyclopedia based on neutral presentation of what is in reliable sources, and that goal is damaged by those who work to selectively exclude some point of view or position, rather than channelling these into collaborative work. Wikiversity, not having limited space for specific topics, is not normally afflicted by factional wars, AP/D attempted to take such conflict there. He failed, because I recognized what had happened and addressed it.

(However, the last attack, by IP, including canvassing on Wikipedia, drawing in his faction, the one that he claims “loves him.” And something was indeed going on behind the scene, because admin response on Wikiversity (1) completely ignored the previous history and obvious personal attacks, and (2) served the AP agenda.  The effect of that is to demonstrate conclusively to me that Wikiversity is not safe, so, unless something drastically shifts, bye bye Wikiversity!

I will continue to document what has happened and is happening. I’m not dead yet.

 SPI investigation archive for Anglo Pyramidologist

roughly 190 socks on Wikipedia, plus IP
11 April 2011

15 June 2011

28 November 2011
13 December 2011
above confirmed mutual.
21 September 2011
27 September 2011
03 October 2011
03 October 2011, take 2
05 October 2011
IP check declined for privacy reasons. There was “other behavior” which the checkuser declined to disclose. I have a suspicion of off-wiki coordinated editing, and the checkuser may have detected actual sock accounts and left them alone. I may look more closely at this later. These are all Verizon wireless. So why doesn’t the account register, if they want to edit that much? Likely reason: they don’t want to be identified. Wikipedia went overboard in privacy protection. Privacy is important, but … sometimes there are higher values. I don’t know if that applies here, yet.
It appears that IPs were blocked. These IPs don’t look like AP, but … open proxies or something else.
02 November 2011
all confirmed. match to BookWorm44.
13 June 2012
claimed to be w:User:Earthisalive
Quack. Previously blocked as User:Earthisalive, now returning as User:The earth has a mind, First edit is to recreate European origin of modern humans as Out of Europe theory. Check user requested to check for sleepers. SummerPhD (talk) 23:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Follow-up. Mentions a series of articles deleted, that lead to RationalWiki articles and more possible socks there. AP has been claiming that he has created many Wikipedia articles and RationalWiki articles. Yes, he has. Often very disruptive articles, the cloaca of RationalWiki. See the tip of the iceberg in the RationalWiki/Anglo Pyramidologist study. 
29 September 2012

From a combination of the duck test (which I have not confirmed (but the account names!!!), I have not yet studied these account activities) and the checkuser confirmations, I suspect that AP may have been using some kind of open proxy then, though that also seems unlikely.

11 November 2012
24 December 2014
10 June 2015
all confirmed

17 January 2016

At this point investigations were moved to Anglo Pyramidologist

29 March 2016

all confirmed. Again, Anglo Pyramidologist asserted as master.

08 August 2016

all confirmed.

28 September 2016


Storyfellow’s name is probably a take-off on Philosophyfellow, a tumbleman sock. Storyfellow apparently created a Wikipedia  article on Emil Kirkegaard, a favorite AP target, see the RationalWiki study, and see the Wikipedia Articles for deletion discussion. Rebecca Bird showed up to support Storyfellow. See the discussion on Wikipedia:Fringe Theories Noticeboard, a favorite place for AP socks to solicit help. This sequence shows the techniques AP uses to make it appear that he is multiple editors. Rebecca Bird reverted some of Storyfellow’s edits. On Rational Wiki, AP socks with sysop privileges block other AP socks. Complicating this is the probability that AP is actually two persons, the “Smith brothers.” Emil Kirkegaard recently published an expose of the sock master behind AP. That would be the original AP, not the brother with different obsessions — but from what I’ve seen, they also support each other.

Meta checkuser/lock reports

Filed 20 September 2017

Filed 24 September 2017

Locked 26 Sept 2017

26 accounts. New ones not listed above

Locked 27 Sept 2017

Filed October 15, 2017

locked in this sequence (no explicit checkuser request or report, and not all socks will be seen, no active watch will be maintained, only accounts seen as actively disruptive by the duck test or inferred from logs)

I have a direct communication from the person who has been identified by many as the original “Anglo Pyramidologist” plausibly claiming that he was ZaFrumi but not “99.9%” of the socks mentioned. Even though that is obvious hyperbole, yet because ZaFrumi was not actually tagged as a sock, I have struck the name above. More will be revealed.

Filed 24 January, 2018

Bodybuilder1991 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)

Also identified socks already tagged on Wikipedia as AP socks

Other locks

IP reports