RationalWiki Smith brothers conspiracy theory

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RationalWiki Smith brothers conspiracy theory is a paranoid speculation by some individuals with RationalWiki articles, written about themselves, that maintains their articles were created by a duo or trio of brothers (with the surname Smith) from a single household. According to this conspiracy theory — the brothers have created tens, if not hundreds of RationalWiki articles as “hit pieces” to damage people’s reputations via a Google search.

Evidence for the conspiracy theory is non-existent and was started on Encyclopædia Dramatica, arguably as satire. Nevertheless, an assortment of cranksfundiesand pseudoscientists upset at RationalWiki for creating articles about them, now promote the conspiracy theory to vent their anger at a scapegoat, who can be potentially doxed. This article will not provide any alleged dox, only referring to the surname “Smith” (which is very commonw).



Proponents of the Smith brothers conspiracy theory include: Rome ViharoAlex TsakirisCraig WeilerLaird Shaw (all from the woo-forums Skeptiko or Pscience Quest), John FuerstEmil O. W. Kirkegaard and Abd ul-Rahman Lomax.


In December 2016 an article appeared on the troll website Encyclopædia Dramatica named the “Smith Brothers” that argued a household of brothers with the surname Smith use RationalWiki in order to bash people online by creating articles to discredit them, by writing about their pseudoscience or irrational beliefs (which actually is in the stated mission of RationalWiki: “documenting the full range of crank ideas”). The article itself was nonsensical, filled with gay pornographic imagery; its purpose was arguably to satirize RationalWiki skeptic editors. The NSFW-porn article was deleted within a few weeks. Before deletion there were some screenshots on an archive webpage.

The folks over at Skeptiko and Pscience Quest discovered the archived screenshots of the Smith Brothers article in September 2017 and absurdly read it as being factual, thus they think there really is a household of brothers who have created most the RationalWiki articles on paranormalistscreationistspsychic-believers and other pseudoscientists over a 5 year time period (2012-2017). Laird Shaw openly links to the gay-porn article on Pscience Quest and recommends readers of the forum he administrates – go there to see evidence for the Smith Brother conspiracy theory.


The short-lived ED Smith Brothers article purported to provide evidence as “connecting the dots” linking the brothers to multiple RationalWiki users and dozens of article creations; in reality, this consisted of unsubstantiated allegations and zero technical proof (noteRationalWiki has no check-user tool to confirm sockpuppetry), with some gay porn thrown in for good measure. This however has not stopped Rome Viharo quoting the article as “proof” for the conspiracy theory on his website Wikipedia We Have a Problem, that has 100,000 words of gibberish dedicated to the Smith brothers.[1] Viharo has also discussed his belief in the conspiracy theory in his YouTube videos.


[the original references section was lost in archiving; however, there was only one reference, and it is simulated here, as what it might have been at that point in time. On the other hand, it may have been a more innocuous page.]

  1. Wikipedia We Have a Problem

but this page was a bit earlier than what shows there, and is more on point:

The Smiths’ Dark Entanglement, a criminal report.

Commentary  (by Abd, May 10, 2019)

Unless it was in that reference, this page contained no outing, so the suppression reason was incorrect. The arguments given in the article are still being advanced by Oliver Smith, just today.

As I pointed out at the time, this was a Smith brothers version of the Smith brothers conspiracy theory. But that’s RatWiki. It was treated, though, as if written by a Smith enemy, to harass innocent Rats being accused of being a Smith brother. Like most of what has been written by the Smiths, it was deceptive.

a paranoid speculation by some individuals with RationalWiki articles, written about themselves, that maintains their articles were created by a duo or trio of brothers (with the surname Smith) from a single household.

Oliver Smith subsequently acknowledged many of his article creations. However, the duck test is not a “paranoid speculation.” By looking at article editors, and then at the contributions of each, patterns of interest popped up. An article would be created with many edits. Then there would be sporadic edits by other users who did not show the patterns appearing. Then another account with many edits, whose other contributions showed the same interests. There were two sets of interests, quite distinct. This matched old claims on Wikipedia from the brothers, and other evidences.

Nobody has claimed a trio that I have seen. They are twins, both born in 1990, and living in the same house at one time, i.e., with apparent parents, same surname. Public records were published in a number of places. The Smiths have been attacking others since something like 2012, if not before, and they have managed, over time, to alienate many. Oliver is the most visible of the brothers, has an actual peer-reviewed article (on Atlantis) published in his real name. The brother, Darryl L. Smith, is far less visible and has never openly revealed his name.

The article on me was written by Darryl, who had attacked a Wikiversity user and then threatened me with retribution, and the first sign of the retribution was that article. Shortly after the “conspiracy” article was deleted, Skeptical placed in the article:

RationalWiki conspiracy theory

Lomax was perm-banned from RationalWiki for doxxing and trolling.[36] He now uses his personal blog to spread a paranoid conspiracy theory and misinformation that a group of RationalWiki editors who live in the same house (yes, you read that correctly) created and edited his RW article.[37]

Note 36 refers to my block log. I was blocked by Skeptical. Who was Skeptical? Oliver Smith, of course, the signs are unmistakeable.  Note 37 refers to my blog.

He was lying. “A group of RationalWiki editors.” No. One, using the account Marky (Darryl) which was created for that purpose. That there were two brothers sometimes at the same house was known from way back, on Wikipedia. However, the other brother did edit the article. What I recognize now as Oliver socks which later edited my article are Asgardian (now blocked by D as Oliver, and see his comment about himself) , Skeptical, probably Jog, Dr._Witt (see his last edit), SkepticDave, Vimpto, Pringles, EvilGremlin, Arcticos, Jean, and Tobias.

Darryl would be AstroPhysics, Anti-Fascist_for_life, various troll and impersonation socks, probably Anti_racist_man, and definitely Debunking_spiritualism.

(These are not the only socks of the Smith brothers active in the period since my article was written, just the ones that edited the article on me.)

According to this conspiracy theory — the brothers have created tens, if not hundreds of RationalWiki articles as “hit pieces” to damage people’s reputations via a Google search.

Oliver Smith has certainly created more than “tens” of articles, and describing them as hit pieces would not be an exaggeration. My article was clearly created to damage reputation, and has been used that way, heavily. Others, the same. This is not a “conspiracy theory,” and the brothers do not necessarily coordinate, but . . . it is likely that both of them complained to the WikiMedia Foundation. Oliver bragged about it, in fact, though Darryl actually organized the other complainants.

Evidence for the conspiracy theory is non-existent and was started on Encyclopædia Dramatica, arguably as satire.

Always be suspicious when something asserted by many and allegedly “believed” by many is claimed to be without evidence. That is the claim of deniers, and the guilty.

ED is satirical, yes, but I did not take fact from there without careful independent verification, and most evidence I have found directly on WMF wikis, RatWiki, and then email from Oliver himself, and his comments on ED, and other miscellaneous sources.

(Pages written about the Smiths often have what I consider errors. They have created, over the years, an heavy smokescreen, with, yes, hundreds of accounts — that is not at all an exaggeration, though 700 on RationalWiki might be, unless we include impersonation and trollsocks they created, which they have done at a high rate at various times — like what they are doing on Reddit as this is written — so errors are understandable. I considered the no-brother-all-Oliver theory, but find it difficult to fit it to the facts.)

its purpose was arguably to satirize RationalWiki skeptic editors.

Oliver and Darryl hide behind “skeptics.” Skepticism is essential to science, and my purpose in documenting the impersonations and deception is not at all to attack genuine skepticism, nor even to attack pseudoskepticism, though I write on that topic (just as some skeptics write about pseudoscience.) The ED article was not written to satirize skeptics, in general, and did not mock the Smiths for skepticism, at all. But the Smiths are constantly working to convince other Rats that they are under attack by enemies of RatWiki and of rational skepticism, while they create cause for others to attack, well beyond the necessities of the RatWiki mission.

a household of brothers who have created most the RationalWiki articles on paranormalistscreationistspsychic-believers and other pseudoscientists

That would mostly be Darryl. “Household of brothers” is language chosen to make it seem ridiculous. These are twin brothers, and apparently do not live in the same household, but were checkuser-connected back in the day when one of the brothers was away at college but visited home and accessed the internet.

The brothers have supported each other at times, but are also independent. Darryl has offended “paranormalists”, sure, but more recently has moved into diet and medicine and is attacking people with resources (as he did on Wikipedia with alternative medicine, that’s how Rome Viharo got involved). Oliver has gone after alleged racists and white supremacists — often marginal, but when he tacked in “pedophile” he set up a world of hurt for himself as well as his targets.

this consisted of unsubstantiated allegations and zero technical proof (note: RationalWiki has no check-user tool to confirm sockpuppetry)

Much in the various versions of the ED articles I have seen was supported by evidence. The claim of ” zero technical proof” is common, one more of their deceptions. My original study was entirely based on Wikipedia and WMF steward checkuser evidence, supplemented by some of my own and that of others. As well, some checkuser evidence was published from ED (but that was later, as was some checkuser evidence provided from Conservapedia for Oliver trolling there.)

(When they troll a blog, sometimes the blogger checks IP, that’s easy, WordPress shows it to admins for comments.)

As well, it’s true that RatWiki does not have the checkuser extension installed, but any tech with access to the raw access logs can see not only the same data, but more. I have technical evidence! Those who depend on hiding are depending on something that reality tends to dislike. Not safe.

There are actually many people who have independently investigated the Smiths. Oliver himself confirmed much of the brother story in email to me, but then claimed he had been lying for years, there was no brother. Either way, then, that the story would exist is not a “conspiracy theory” but a conclusion from apparent fact, which is all we ever have anyway, with degrees of reliability.

So either people are not confused and there is a reality to the “brother” story, or the person creating confusion by lying is blaming people for being confused, which is simply more lying. Neat, eh?


Subpage of anglo-pyramidologist/the-threat/

This is not what began the AP affair, but what moved it to a new level and stage. A trollsock, From a tower, left this message on my meta talk page:

No further engagement

You can delete this message if you like. Just to let you know I will not be further engaging you. It seems you live for this drama, I will not longer be involved.

Perhaps he lied, or was impersonated. Notice, however, that the next sentence contradicts “not longer be involved.”

I will do my best behind the scenes via email to get admins to delete all your material.

He did, and he sort-of-succeeded. That is, the SPA study material was deleted on Wikiversity (with my consent, moved to meta) and later on meta (because by that time it was moved to this blog). He got two educational resources on Wikiversity deleted, the one on cold fusion (which I did not start, but I had heavily added to it, and the resource on Parapsychology, both of which were rescued and moved to the CFC wiki, kept for historical reasons, along with user pages that had been cited, for example, on Wikipedia.

It turned out that filing private complaints, sometimes from multiple accounts — and he recruits others to complain, was his long-term MO — can work.

The Smiths have bragged about getting web sites taken down that dared to criticize them. They learned how to do this over the years. Administrators are human, often over-worked and certainly, on wikis, underpaid. If they get complaints from what appear to be multiple users (and sometimes they are more than one!), they do not investigate deeply, it is too much work. They just push buttons.

If you want to spend the rest of your life stalking someone that is up to you, but it is not healthy. I object to such a thing. I am done with this.

Again, a lie. He was certainly not finished, and this claim was contradicted by “doing his best.” As it happened, the Wikiversity and meta disruption largely disappeared, but then an article was created on me on RationalWiki by a new user who had obviously done an incredible amount of research. I was a sysop on RatWiki at that time. That ended very quickly without abuse of tools. And, again, that was, it turned out, an old pattern.

I would like to add though that AngloPyramidologist is innocent.

“Anglo Pyramidologist” was the Wikipedia account of Oliver D. Smith, the namesake of the Sock Puppet Investigation Archive.

If you want the debunker of parapsychology/or pseudoscience it is me. I have debated Ben in the past, he knows who I am, I have talked to him on Wikipedia in 2014.

And at other times. Here is a screenshot of a Facebook conversation, which I found on Wikiversity, having been posted by Ben long ago. The claims there are remarkable, partially confirming what is below. But the Smiths routinely lie, so none of it can be trusted. It is clear, though, that these were not Mikemikev impersonations, as later claimed. Mikemikev was in conflict with Oliver Smith (since 2012), not Darryl, and would have had no motive for the verified disruption.

I have nothing against Ben personally, unfortunately he uses Wikipedia to promote his fringe beliefs, he promised in 2014 not to come back but his mistake was coming back in 2017.

I created the Wikiversity resource partly so that Ben had a place to do constructive work, and that plan worked. The edits in 2017 were mistakes, yes, but harmless. This was the account Darryl used to file the SPI. Notice “globally locked.” The original filing. It outs the RL identity for Blastikus. Nobody seems to have noticed. Blastikus had used his real name for the Wikiversity account.

It’s a bit confused but these accounts were suspected, my comments in all caps. Green account was or was probably Steigmann:

This was an outrageous filing. I have marked self-reverted edits (pink), and stale accounts (With a new SUL account, created for Wikiversity, it is easy to accidentally edit Wikipedia even though blocked there. Did he realize what he was doing? I’m not sure.) They used to deny checkuser requests like this, especially from an SPA who admits he has an account, but is socking. There was an account on Wikiversity that had attacked Steigmann and the resource there. He was socking to conceal his prior interaction, and nobody seems to have noticed.

In any case, nobody was exercised about trivial socking at worst, mostly stale, so he then “must” get attention, so he impersonated, on many accounts. And it worked! Nobody looked at the obvious source of disruption, but only at the blocked user, and why? Well, he’s interested in parapsychology, and aren’t all such people insane?

After that, the filings were amended to show more socks and many highly disruptive impersonation socks, and the troll was clearly pushing for action to ban Steigmann on Wikiversity. What was totally against tradition there, but . . . he and his friends did pull it off! Even after the impersonation had been exposed.

Btw I do object to the ‘troll’ allegations. I have written over 250 articles on Wikipedia. As to this very day 30/9/2017 I have four Wikipedia accounts and 12 others I occasionally use, the admins are only interested in banning vandals. If you are atheist, pro-skeptic like me and debunking fringe beliefs the admins love us. I can’t go wrong.

He has admitted creating socks that trolled for outraged response on Wikipedia. He was checkuser-identified with massive troll socking. So he is a troll. How many so-called “good hand” accounts he has is irrelevant.

He admitted massive socking on Wikipedia, with undiscovered socks. Was this an impersonator? It is implausible. He could easily be lying (and he uses lies to create useless hunts for non-existent accounts, and he will blow an actual account and set it up to blame it on someone else, another enemy, by creating accusations on various web sites that the account is His Enemy, and then “retiring” because he was allegedly outed on those web sites. That worked also, until I blew it up by identifying who really was that account.

If he partitions his access, he could survive checkuser. The stewards only came up with the many attackers of Ben Steigmann and me on Wikiversity and this particular troll, plus two Commons accounts, one of which I tracked to RationalWiki, not to Wikipedia. So if he was active on Wikipedia at that time, it was partitioned (i.e., using distinct access, it is not difficult to do, if one makes no mistakes.)

His comment about Wikipedia admin interests is unfortunately true to a degree. That Blastikus filing shows it.

He is POV-pushing, very obviously, but those who push that particular POV are often considered useful there, even though a later WP account was called a “POV pusher” by Jimbo Wales. Their POV is not a “scientific point of view,” as they claim. Science has no POV and is not pseudoskeptical, science is not a body of belief, but a method and an approach, as well as a body of evidence.

This troll is fascist, in the original sense, suppressing opinions different from his, and willing to use deception and disruption to do so. He was able to find several allies, among the Wikipedians.

I was even offered paid work from the owner of a skeptic group.

Later, when there is mention of the possibility of payment, they cry “Lies!” And they use arguments similar to what was argued (see below) with a steward. “No proof!”

I still create articles perhaps 12 or so a week. I have serious knowledge and I have improved the Wikipedia in skeptical related articles in relation to fringe beliefs. Your statement we are all vandals or doing illegal activity is false. Take care and Good bye. My advise for you would be to give up. You are fighting a war you cannot win. You will never work out who I am or get rid of me from Wikipedia. Leon. From a tower (talk) 01:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I notice that the Facebook user who was taunting Ben (linked above) — similarly to this! — was Leon Kennedy. Not his name, I’m sure, but this is probably the same person.

Just before this edit to my talk page, Darryl wrote on a steward’s talk page:

Abd stalking wikipedia users

Abd has created a hit-piece here [6] that attacks AngloPyramidologist and other users. The hit-piece Abd has created contains libellous information, accusing users of ‘illegal practices’, he also accuses a Wikipedia user of ‘impersonation’ but has no technical evidence to prove that allegation, yet he presents his opinions as factual. The page is being used as a hit-piece as Abd has had a personal war with this the Wikipedia user. He also claims dangerous things that he knows the real life identities of Wikipedia editors. Abd was warned on Wikiversity for doxing several Wikipedia users [7].. This is not acceptable ‘study’. It is harassment and slander fuelled by Abd’s hatred. Can you delete it? Wikimedia should not be holding misinformation or personal grudges. From a tower (talk) 00:31, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Claiming that someone “has no technical evidence” when what the person has claimed is known to be true, he had impersonated, and the steward technical evidence was already filed and known, and he knew that. However, someone looking at that page (later deleted with my consent) could think it was imagined, and a vendetta. Mikeu from Wikiversity clearly thought so. Mikeu based his later actions on “private communications.” And that is how these trolls work. They lie to people they know might believe them.

This, by the way, was not Oliver D. Smith, i.e., not Anglo Pyramidologist, but the twin brother, mentioned early in the AP SPI archive. The warning mentioned was this. It referred to this request by Antifa activist, another SPA globally locked from this affair (thus steward-confirmed as the same LTA), containing numerous false statements, such as an attack on Manul, which did not exist. The page was almost totally lists of accounts with contributions links, taken from checkuser requests. However, as I was researching this, I came across a web page, and linked to it, and did not notice that the URL contained a name. oliver-smith-dark-entanglement/

So the admin deleted it. I was provided a copy — they certainly did not consider me a troll! — and removed that one link, and put the page up again, and that was accepted. I did not “out” the AP socks by name until much later, when it became obvious that this was already all over the internet, and as I found more evidence of illegal activity and definitely impersonation socking to defame, which they did with me, also.

That web site was incorrect, Rome Viharo had confused the two brothers. It is quite understandable. (And there remains a possibility that Oliver was both brothers and lied about the twin, as he claimed in an email to me. I consider that very unlikely. There are distinct patterns of behavior, as, in fact, partially described by Darryl in what is above. The interest in pseudoscience and debunking of psychics, etc., is Darryl, and the interest in alleged (or real) neo-Nazis and racists is Oliver. Darryl is currently focusing on what he believes is “medical or diet woo,” while Oliver is still obsessed with alleged racists, especially Michael Coombs and Emil Kirkegaard, and it is Kirkegaard who is suing Oliver for defamation.


The threat

This is not what began the AP affair, but what moved it to a new level and stage. A trollsock, From a tower, left this message on my meta talk page:

(This troll was conclusively identified and locked by a steward as a Long Term Abuser, the same LTA as had impersonated a Wikipedia user and attacked him on Wikiversity, and who created many troll socks as part of this affair. This has all been shown elsewhere. This was not an impersonator. What he wrote was likely true from his point of view.) I have bolded the threat, that he carried out. I have backgrounded what is likely true in green.

(See detailed analysis on the subpage which contains the content below, other than the colors.)

No further engagement

You can delete this message if you like. Just to let you know I will not be further engaging you. It seems you live for this drama, I will not longer be involved.

I will do my best behind the scenes via email to get admins to delete all your material.

If you want to spend the rest of your life stalking someone that is up to you, but it is not healthy. I object to such a thing. I am done with this.

I would like to add though that AngloPyramidologist is innocent.

If you want the debunker of parapsychology/or pseudoscience it is me. I have debated Ben in the past, he knows who I am, I have talked to him on Wikipedia in 2014.

I have nothing against Ben personally, unfortunately he uses Wikipedia to promote his fringe beliefs, he promised in 2014 not to come back but his mistake was coming back in 2017.

Btw I do object to the ‘troll’ allegations. I have written over 250 articles on Wikipedia. As to this very day 30/9/2017 I have four Wikipedia accounts and 12 others I occasionally use, the admins are only interested in banning vandals. If you are atheist, pro-skeptic like me and debunking fringe beliefs the admins love us. I can’t go wrong.

I was even offered paid work from the owner of a skeptic group.

I still create articles perhaps 12 or so a week. I have serious knowledge and I have improved the Wikipedia in skeptical related articles in relation to fringe beliefs. Your statement we are all vandals or doing illegal activity is false. Take care and Good bye. My advise for you would be to give up. You are fighting a war you cannot win. You will never work out who I am or get rid of me from Wikipedia. Leon. From a tower (talk) 01:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Just before this edit to my talk page, this user wrote on a steward’s talk page:

I have put lies or deceptions in red.

Abd stalking wikipedia users

Abd has created a hit-piece here [6] that attacks AngloPyramidologist and other users. The hit-piece Abd has created contains libellous information, accusing users of ‘illegal practices’, he also accuses a Wikipedia user of ‘impersonation’ but has no technical evidence to prove that allegation, yet he presents his opinions as factual. The page is being used as a hit-piece as Abd has had a personal war with this the Wikipedia user. He also claims dangerous things that he knows the real life identities of Wikipedia editors. Abd was warned on Wikiversity for doxing several Wikipedia users [7].. This is not acceptable ‘study’. It is harassment and slander fuelled by Abd’s hatred. Can you delete it? Wikimedia should not be holding misinformation or personal grudges. From a tower (talk) 00:31, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

(The study was moved to meta and considered acceptable by stewards as an LTA study, against attempts to have it deleted. However, I did consent to deletion later, to reduce disruption, and moved it all off-wiki. Then I was globally office-banned, which is always based on private communications.)

WikipediaSucks on Oliver Smith

I’m compiling a comprehensive list of Smith socks and keep finding stuff, like this WikipediaSucks (Proboards) archive, Oliver Smith-WWHP thread (moved)

In this thread, archaic, registered Jun 24, 2016 at 10:55pm, clearly Oliver Smith, attacks Rome Viharo, copying a post that was spammed to RatWiki, 19 June 2016. (and see also 17 June 2016, and 18 June 2016, deleted contributions accusing Oliver D. Smith of being Dan Skeptic (Wikipedia) and David1234 (RatWiki). It is claimed that this spamming led to Viharo’s ban. That may be true, but it is also quite possible that this was impersonation, at least some of it. Spamming known content from a person though impersonation socking is a Smith technique. Or this was actually what it claimed to be, an investigator, I have not tracked this down.

In any case, the claim about Dan Skeptic and David1234 was incorrect, and Oliver is like a Jack-in-the-box, he pops up when you push a button, and this particular kind of error is such. As Schizophrenic, he corrected this claim, in edits later hidden by Debunking spiritualism (in a deletion and blocking spree that the Rats blamed on me having hacked his account, which was, ah, a tad mistaken. DS was Darryl L. Smith, Oliver’s twin brother, as was Dan Skeptic, also known as Goblin Face on Wikipedia, and David1234 on RatWiki. DS attempted to hide this correction by Oliver, but it was reverted, and archived. (This is an additional piece of evidence that DS was Darryl. Schizophrenic elsewhere referred to DS as his brother, and so the story that Schizophrenic was an impersonator was developed, years later. But DS has been blocked, actually as if Oliver Smith (Aeschylus), which is not quite correct.)

The WWHP page reports  a threat. That’s quite what I saw when I started exposing Smith impersonation socking in 2017. I was threatened. And then it is claimed that Viharo was threatening himself, to get attention. They have a story they repeat over and over with different people.

michaeldsuarez (registered Mar 17, 2016 at 9:21pm) immediately outed him as Oliver, pointing to ED articles with details.  Oliver, as archaic, lies, claiming “I don’t own any of these accounts..” A huge number of accounts were listed, and some of them were later admitted. archaic then points to three accounts (URL corrected to current domain — ED is currently down.).

Classic Smith misdirection. The first two were parody socks, not actually impersonations. The third may be Smith, (i.e., Krom), but could also be Mikemikev, perhaps, and Kroms is deceptive. I see multiple conflicting signs. I may investigate this more deeply later.

But RatWiki Kroms was Oliver.

Krom on ED and on RatWiki was Oliver.

So what accounts was Oliver denying?

ED User_talk:JuniusThaddeus/Archive5

ED Talk:RationalWiki

  • Kromscape long term obvious Krom, i.e. Oliver

ED Thizzlehat_Junction_Center

broken kiwi farms archive . Closest I could find to this was http://archive.is/0k9ZV mentioned:

  • Atlantid, clearly Oliver
  • TombRaiderFan, Kiwi account, probably Oliver
  • Krom (RW account primarily)
  • BookGremlin or Gremlin — not verified yet
  • Truthseeker — not verified yet
  • and others

Encyclopedia Dramatica subreddit. The full thread.

Krom1991 is very clearly Oliver, many evidences, not merely MDS accusations.

And there are more. First of all, “none of the accounts” was a lie. Secondly, Oliver focuses on possible errors. For example, MDS appears to believe that ED Kroms was Oliver. I can see why, but also saw a reason to suspect that this was not him. I may return to this.

In tracking down the sources, I found the origin of the conflict with Mikemikev, it was documented by Mikemikev here. (archived). They blocked each other on Metapedia. The conflict documented on Metapedia Talk:Race realism continued over the years and is still continuing on RatWiki.

archaic wrote:

Once again, i’m not one of the accounts Michaeldsuarez has just posted, it just all lies. And note he provides no evidence I own a single of these accounts. Its just “you owned david1234!”, “you own apparition!”, or other accounts that aren’t mine. Heck I don’t even know what most these forums he’s posting. I’m meant to have posted on sites I’ve never heard of?

The weirdest thing is suarez is trying to pin at least two Rationalwiki admin accounts onto me in 2012. That’s news to me. What a nutcase.

Perhaps suarez is just trolling and doing this all “for the lolz”, either that or he’s the most deranged liar I’ve ever come across.

Again, he focuses on errors, when he knows the truth, quite certainly, and why people would make these mistakes. On Wikipedia, Anglo Pyramidologist (Oliver) was confused with Liveintheforests (Darryl) and that carried over to RatWiki. David1234 and Apparitions were obvious Darryl RatWiki accounts.  Also Forests and DinoCrisis.

RatWiki Krom is mentioned above, but did not start editing that site until 2015. Indeed, “news to” him. I have not found any RatWiki sysop account for Oliver that far back, so far. But MDS was not a “nutcase,” nor was he lying, and that kind of accusation — that an error is a lie — is typical for Smith socks.

Most importantly, Oliver was indeed archaic, which was the first and most significant claim by MDS. To distract from that, Oliver raises a gigantic smokescreen.

In what archaic posted, I find leads to Gust (prob. Darryl),  Tenchu2, blocked as Rome Viharo but very likely Oliver (who also used Tenchu on ED — contribs), Billy_the_kid (gives a pure Darryl argument), and then RatWiki Kroms, who, in spite of only three edits, was waving a big red flag: Oliver Smith. Kroms was blocked as Mikemikev by David Gerard. Gerard shows up again and again in the Smith odyssey, cited as if an omniscient authority. Two edits of Kroms were hidden. The first:

Lysdexia is not Mikemikev, but Mikemikev linked to him here. This Lydexia person is called “autphag” from Kiwi farms. They are a autistic transsexual “race realist”, as weird and deranged as Mikemikev. Just google “autphag”. The funny thing is that Mikemikev and autphag were debating each other about who is better at “race realism” at Kiwi farms. lol. Everyone just laughs at them. They’re both outcasts within their own community. Lysdexia just uses most of Mikmikev’s arguments; neither are well read on science and just parrot the same fallacies.Kroms (talk) 16:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

The second:

Michaeldsuarez impersonating on socks

Both PS2 and RaiderFan are the banned Rationalwiki user Michaeldsuarez. He goes around this site creating dozens of accounts impersonating me. Most the sockpuppets on Rome Viharo’s talk are also is. I only ever left one message there.Kroms (talk) 17:25, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

RW Kroms was definitely Oliver. PS2 was also Oliver. RaiderFan was obviously not Oliver, but the claim of impersonation (because RaiderFan used a possible parody name) is pure Oliver Smith. (An account that is obviously not the “target” is not an impersonation, and RaiderFan was confronting Oliver, multiple times. That is why Kroms would say he was being impersonated, because of his TombRaiderFan account or possibly others.) RaiderFan was much later blocked by Debunking spiritualism (Darryl Smith).

Oliver Smith accounts on Wikipediasucks.co

I knew about Catapult, but at least one sock existed before that.

Werner Von Croy obvious Oliver, admits drama in 2017. This was right on. The brother story. (Rome Viharo believed that Goblin Face was Oliver, at first. But it was Darryl, Oliver’s brother. Oliver surely knows that, but makes Rome Viharo out to be totally wrong and crazy. The Smiths did get many web sites shut down; they have found that administrators do respond to private complaints, and especially if they come from multiple sources. So, hey, scare up a few others to join, or create socks. Even two different people may be enough. Such as Oliver and Darryl.)


Various accounts have shown up, covered on these pages, but a recent and most interesting Oliver sock was  ageofempires858585 [deleted]. All known edits of this account were collected and linked and when Reddit deletes an account (or the owner deletes it), the contributions still remain readable, and in this set of posts, Oliver was unmistakable and thorough about his views. He also complained about the trollsocks, also listed there. He has previously claimed to not know what his brother was doing, so this was not necessarily a lie. But he has also lied about his brother, which he defended as defending his family. Put this another way: His family may consider it acceptable to lie, presumably for a “good cause.” (Other than this indirect evidence, I have no evidence about family members, other than his apparent twin, nor other than the names of parents and an older brother, none of whom are directly involved, to my knowledge). He lies so much and so often that he may sometimes forget he is on the record. And he may easily forget, then, that he lied, and blame others for reporting what he wrote, as “lying.” Many have summarized this as insanity. I look a little deeper. He has some serious dysfunction, that’s clear. I’m not his psychiatrist, to be sure, but some of what he does is reasonably common in otherwise functional people. Confusing report and interpretation with fact, for example. Confusing belief with reality. Indeed, confusing scientific skepticism with pseudoscience, on the one hand, and pseudoskepticism, on the other. But Oliver is extreme and very active.


subpage of anglo-pyramidologist/darryl-l-smith/skeptic-from-britain/

Originally Written 20 February, 2019:

Elsewhere I show strong evidence that John66/Skeptic from Britain is Darryl L. Smith, and that when Smith was deciding to abandon Wikipedia, to use it for his typical purposes (to attack and harass someone who had criticized him), he started up a new sock on RationalWiki, John66. When he abandoned Skeptic from Britain and the renamed accounts, he turned to a flurry of activity on RationalWiki. It has now been a month and no more Darryl L. Smith socks appear to be active [when this was first written]. (There are, however, obvious Oliver Smith accounts, and quite a few with very low edit count that might possibly be either brother, less likely some other troll.)

So this page will look first at what’s on the John66 user page.

Information about me:

Name = John Slinger aka John66
Birth date = June 20, 1966
Birth place = La Seyne-sur-Mer, France
Current location = Great Britain
Occupation = Part-time chef at a hotel
Dislikes = Fad diets, LCHF quackery, pseudoscience
Likes = Paris Sewer Museum (I used to work there), snowboarding!
Email address = Ask me if needed
2019 is looking very promising!

He’s lying. John66 dove immediately into creating an article, first edit, this is a very experienced RationalWiki user. He also does not have email enabled (which is still anonymous, merely allowing someone to “ask him” something by email.) There is a British John Slinger, who clearly has nothing to do with John66. This is Darryl, who was born in 1990. So then he cites three studies, which demonstrate that he knows very little about l0w-carb diets, remarkable for someone who supposedly has a strong focus (“dislike”) for “low carb quackery” and “pseudoscience.” There is something worse than pseudoscience: raw, unadulterated lying and misrepresentation of sources, using logical fallacies, such as ad hominem and straw man arguments, guilt by association, the whole nine yards. Alleged pseudoscience is a long-term obsession of Darryl L. Smith. Let’s look at those studies, which he apparently thinks important.

* Blow to low carb diet as landmark study finds high fibre cuts heart disease risk

This is a Guardian article. The actual study is

Carbohydrate quality and human health: a series of systematic reviews and meta-analyses

The headline appears to be misleading. The study is about the benefits of fiber. Benefits as to what? As to risk factors, which are themselves highly controversial. But the main fact to see here is that the scientific advocates of low-carb diets would also generally expect that fiber is beneficial, and it is not counted when counting carbohydrates. If one is going to eat carbohydrates, the standard low-carb advice is, eat carbs that contain plenty of fiber, and also with fat, both of which slow down the digestion of fiber and tend to avoid the high-carb insulin spike, with all the consequences of that. Placing this in opposition to “low carb diets” was sensationalist journalism, not the science involved.

The study looked at the effect of fiber consumption, and I would certainly expect results like they showed. Fiber, generally, is good for you. Rapid-digestion carbs are not good, except in small quantities. (Atkins would eat a baked potato on occasion, with plenty of butter and I would add sour cream.) Just not all the time!)

For an example of low-carb (which is a general class of diets, and usually is also high-fat, hence “LCHF”), I pulled an Atkins Chocolate Peanut Butter Bar out of my cupboard. From the nutrition label, some of the quantities, with recommended daily values (which are set by the government)

Total Fat 14 g. 22%
* Saturated Fat 8 g. 40%
Total Carb 23 g. 8%
* Dietary Fiber 12 g. 48%
* Sugars 2 g.
*Glycerin 8 g.
Protein 16 g. 20%

The Atkins label emphasizes that glycerin and fiber, classified as carbs, should be subtracted from total carbs to give “Atkins net carbs” of 3 g. A strict Atkins induction diet, to kick-start ketosis and to lose weight relatively rapidly, is 20 g. of carbs per day. That is always “net carbs.”

I have never encountered a low-carb diet advocate who recommended avoiding fiber. All that I know of would expect that high-fiber carbs would be healthier than low-fiber. So the story is ridiculous, straw-man. And as I have been researching the various claims of John66 in the articles he has created, they are full of references like that, that draw crazy conclusions from the actual study results.

* Carbohydrate quality and human health: a series of systematic reviews and meta-analyses

This is the study covered in the Guardian article. Low-carbers talk about “glycemic index,” which is a measure of carb quality, basically it is based on how rapidly glucose levels rise in the blood after consuming carbohydrates. Both fiber and fat slow down carb digestion, with many beneficial effects. Fiber also has other benefits, and “paleo” foods would tend to be higher in fiber, as compared with highly-processed foods.

* High intake of dietary fiber and whole grains associated with reduced risk of non-communicable diseases

The summary: Observational studies and clinical trials conducted over nearly 40 years reveal the health benefits of eating at least 25g to 29g or more of dietary fiber a day, according to a series of systematic reviews and meta-analyses.

Some high-fiber foods are also high-carb, and that can be a problem. As I point out above, low-carb diet theory and practice would encourage high fiber consumption while cutting consumption of refined carbs and especially sugar and corn syrup. If grains are to be eaten on such diets, quantities should be controlled. The results of these studies are not controversial. Here is Atkins advice on fiber.

He did not start but extensively edited

  • Low-carb_diet extensive edits pushing the article toward “fad diet” territory. Many edits are a common Smith trait. I like it, it makes it easier to detect socks.
  • Julian_Whitaker obvious POV pushing. Not saying he’s wrong! Eventually, I will look at the known facts. However, anyone who challenges the status quo will be criticized and attacked heavily. Rats, and especially the Smiths, then quote the attacks as if authoritative. The could indicate a “quack,” but they could also indicate someone brave enough to stand up to the Mob. (Which, by the way, is not “conspiracy theory.” There is no Mob conspiracy, it happens through normal social forces. At some levels, Big Pharma is rather openly involved, as any objective analysis of the field can show. Journals are tightening up on full disclosure of funding, but if someone works for a nonprofit that is funded by Big Pharma, are they required to disclose that? There are many forces operating, as Taubes analyzes. And, of course, Darryl is going after Taubes.

He also edited other articles showing Darryl interests.

In addition he has many logged actions (block, delete, protect) that show Smith interests, in particular an obsession with mikemikev.

Oliver Smith (his twin brother) responded, on the talk page of the RatWiki article on me, lying about what is here, and, of course, not disclosing what I actually wrote, that John66 is his brother Darryl, not him.

(It has been the Smith theme for a year and a half that I subscribed to a “Smith brothers conspiracy theory,” which is a drastic misrepresentation of the reality, as usual for the Smiths.

There are two brothers, long identified and known as such, from their own claims. Darryl in one post some years ago, claimed that he was being paid for his work by a major skeptic organization, and it is plausible. Oliver claimed the same, about his brother, and then when he realized he had revealed too much about his brother, retracted the whole story, claiming that he had been lying about the brother since the original Wikipedia sock puppet investigations, and he claimed that he had lied to Tim Farley, who could well be a contact for the James Randi Educational Foundation or other skeptic organizations. I find myself unable to imagine why he’d mention Farley unless Farley were really involved with Darryl. Obviously, the ravings of a schizophrenic are not proof, but reasonable cause for suspicion.

Oliver’s emails He lies left and right and he is actually insane (i.e., it is possible that he believes what he is saying in some way. But he libels others (and he does it in the emails, known, beyond doubt, to be him.) But the subject here is John 66, Darryl Smith.

Lomax claims I’m John66, lol

There are many crazy but entertaining ramblings and conspiracy theories on his blog. For some reason he claims I own the sysop John66, someone that blatantly isn’t me I have zero knowledge of their edits.Arcticos (talk) 04:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Claiming that someone is a sock is not a “conspiracy theory.” It might be paranoid, it might be unjustified, — or it might be true — but Oliver is always looking for the twist, the yellow snow.

Because there are two brothers, and because others have become involved in one way or other, and because there is known off-wiki coordination with others, just admitted, by the way, by a sock who commented here, joint brother activity, including impersonation socking, is part of how the brothers have long operated. There is then some like of what legally could be called a “conspiracy.” RationalWiki has an article, Conspiracy theory.

As I have pointed out elsewhere, the above quote is Arcticos admitting he is Oliver (else his comment would be meaningless). I suppose that the quoted statement could be interpreted with him being Darryl, but the Arcticos patterns are all Oliver, whereas John66 fits Darryl, like a glove, in the sequence of Darryl accounts.

What is ironic here is that I discovered that Skeptic from Britain (Wikipedia account) was Darryl because Oliver was trolling me on Encyclopedia Dramatica. He had previously admitted that he knew that Darryl was Skeptic from Britain, that’s covered elsewhere. Oliver threatened to tell the fans of Michael Kendrick that I was SfB. So I investigated, and realized from the patterns that SfB was Darryl (this was before I had seen Olivers admission of it).

However, SfB had tossed a huge red herring out, claiming he had been outed on the internet, so he was retiring. There had been one “outing claim,” repeated by various troll socks, the kind that appear plentifully when the Smiths are involved. It was a false lead, pointing to someone who had actually argued with SfB on Wikipedia, totally innocent. So this was a form of impersonation. Other than the Oliver mention, hardly proof, nobody had claimed that Skeptic from Britain was Darryl.

And that’s what the Smith brothers do, incite mobs (and it was working!). So I dove in and corrected all that, the innocent target thanked me, etc.

Meanwhile, when he retired from Wikipedia, Darryl wasted little time getting busy on RatWiki, documenting exactly the same field he had been working on, on Wikipedia, including an article on Kendrick, cholesterol skepticism, statin skepticism, non-mainstream diets, etc. He follows the same pattern as the faction that might be supporting him follows on Wikipedia: collect all the negative opinions about a subject and included them. Do not include positive opinions.

Whenever anyone challenges mainstream ideas, especially mistakes made, there will be strong criticism. So the “rational skeptic” pattern is essentially denialism itself, a pattern of active denial (not merely skepticism) that there are any problems with mainstream views, standards of practice, or, say, drug company supported research, heavily hyped.

So Darryl responded:

I have never heard of this Lomax person before, not sure why he has confused me with someone else. My edits on this website are only on fad diets and cholesterol quackery, I have never written about cold fusion. I noticed Lomax is a cholesterol denialist, perhaps that it why he targeted me. John66 (talk) 04:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

How did he notice that I am a “cholesterol denialist” if he never heard of me? I am quite skeptical of the “cholesterol theory,” along with many others, but I am not a health writer, nor have I written extensively on the issue. I support research, along with Gary Taubes, not some specific theory, though plausible hypotheses are expressed. My generation has gone through massive Bad Science on nutrition and health and cholesterol, recommendations that were allegedly based on scientific consensus, without there being a true scientific consensus, but only political decisions that “we can’t wait for proof.”

If anyone is interested in genuine scientific skepticism, read Taubes. He is a science journalist, with a degree in physics, and he wrote Bad Science about cold fusion. In my book, he was right to be skeptical about cold fusion (anyone who knows physics would be), but incorrect in his conclusion that the discovery was fully based on artifact, and that is now the common position in the journals. But who reads the journals? Certainly not the Smith brothers. And Gary Taubes moved on, he has not thought about cold fusion for years. His work on fat in the diet, the cholesterol theory, is seminal, and is stimulating a revolution, but old habits and ideas die hard. Once Bad Science becomes official dogma, anyone challenging it will be massively attacked.

And, of course, John66 is attacking Taubes. Darryl (from early fringe leanings)  became a believer in the mainstream (if he is not simply cynical), and not the most recent mainstream (which is quite aware of controversy), his thinking is based on accumulated impressions and junk journalism. The topics he is writing about are highly controversial in the journals, but he picks critical reactions and often misrepresents them.

I have a critical personal interest in the topic, and so should nearly everyone, because the large majority of people are affected by the “standards of practice” and “guidelines” that were developed from bad science, and evidence of massive harm from this has been piling up, with government agencies and what might be called the non-profit health industry, heavily dependent on donations from big pharma, refusing to acknowledge that they made some major mistakes over forty years ago.

(What? Non-profits corrupt? Well, maybe. Or maybe people work where they are funded, and don’t get funded to study something that might contradict the interests of those who fund. In fact, Taubes has done the opposite, I’ll get to that. He funded someone skeptical of his “insulin obesity theory,” to study it. Atkins also did something like that, showing that both of them are actually interested in reality, more than “proving they are right.” That’s real science!”

Back then, I followed the ubiquitous advice, and removed fat from my diet. The net result, it turns out, was quite predictable (from what many knew back then, but they were silenced, and Taubes tells this story as a journalist), I gained forty pounds over about 25 years. I may also have developed a cardiac blockage and prostate cancer in that time. (The cardiac blockage makes sense, cancer is more speculative, but possible. I treated my cancer with nothing other than a very-low-carb diet (and careful watchful waiting, instead of recommended surgery). The cancer did not grow, and keeping insulin levels down could support suppression of the rapid cell division that facilitates development of aggressive growth. If carbohydrates are associated with cancer, it would not be that they cause cancer (and naive concepts of causation are rampant in this field) but rather that their presence in the diet in insulin-raising quantities facilitates mutations.)

I never claimed that Darryl wrote about cold fusion, except he did, to support the deletion of the Wikiversity project on the subject, and in the article on me on RatWiki. But all he said in the latter was, in a paragraph dense with deceptive defamations, that I am “best known as proponent of pseudoscientific cold fusion.”

But the RationalWiki article on cold fusion did not consider it “pseudoscientific.”

Though the term was first coined in 1956 to refer to muon-catalyzed fusion, it was popularised with the work of Stanley Pons (1943–) and Martin Fleischmann (1927–2012), which gained tremendous publicity but was irreproducible.[1][2] 

“Irreproducible” is actually a common belief, not a fact. Many millions of dollars were spent to confirm the Pons and Fleischmann findings, and they were, in fact, confirmed. What they actually claimed was an “unknown nuclear reaction” and the original “nuclear” evidence was circumstantial, and the experiment, far from being “fusion in a jam jar with a battery and two electrodes” was quite difficult, requiring expertise in electrochemistry, and even experts had trouble, so in spite of massive effort — it has been said that for a short time, half the discretionary research budget of the U.S. was being spent attempting to confirm the reports, millions of dollars per month, in 1989. A report by the U.S. Department of Energy was rushed, and there is speculation — and some information — about the politics involved. Very obvious, though, would be the threat to the billion-dollar-per-year hot fusion research budget.

That report was issued in 1989 and did not include the confirmations that started to appear.

It was then taken up with enthusiasm by cranks, thinking they could be the ones to bring cheap energy to the world.

I’m amused when the pseudoskeptical RatWikians believe they can mind-read cranks. They are cranks, out to save the world from Bad Thinking. Which means anyone with opinions they consider Wrong, based on their Superior Knowledge, obtained by reading popular reports (including the popular “skeptical” press, debunkers), and John66 is merely openly active in this, about nutrition and health, active enough that Jimbo Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, called him (as Skeptic from Britain) a “POV pusher.”

Enthusiasm for cold fusion was premature. It is still not known how to make a reliable device that will produce consistent results, and that is after the expenditure of hundreds of millions of dollars, with a lot of bright people working on the problem. It is not easy. But we do know that the effect found is real, it is not artifact, and we know by using the methods of science, not basement-dwelling Rats quoting whatever negative they can find.

The most outrageous claims include blatant fraud such as the Energy Catalyzer.

It was blatant fraud. Most of the scientists in the field ignored it. But there were some who became involved. It got messy. The inventor of the E-Cat, Andrea Rossi, sued his investor, Industrial Heat, for $89 million and triple damages for fraud. I was funded by the public to attend the trial, and I had previously collected all the case documents (they are here on this blog). Industrial Heat invested about $25 million in Rossi technology, and Rossi believed he would get another $89 million if he demonstrated a year’s performance of a 1 MW reactor assembly. When Industrial Heat, having concluded that the Rossi technology was junk, invested another $50 million that they received in other efforts, including theoreticians and experimentalists, Rossi threw a fit, stopped cooperating with them, and then sued them.

People say, “If he is a fraud, he’d have to be crazy to sue his investor.” And I say, “Yes, he would, wouldn’t he?” But he probably believed that IH would settle. That’s a long story by itself, of course. Pseudoskeptics have a very primitive view of how society functions and what is possible and not possible. Industrial Heat can easily be said to have “wasted” their $25 million, but, in fact, because they had made that bold move, deciding that they needed to find out if Rossi had something real, they then were given another $50 million, not to go to Rossi, but to be invested in LENR research (with a commitment for $150 million more).

Cranks also believe there is a massive conspiracy to suppress information about cold fusion.

There are indeed some such “cranks,” but I don’t believe that. I believe that normal human stupidity and inertia, the tendency to believe that what might have been reasonable thirty years ago is still reasonable, is responsible for some level of suppression of cold fusion research. Other than that, I see no anti-cold fusion conspiracy, just widespread beliefs like what was repeated above, that nobody could replicate it. The finding has been confirmed hundreds of times, and no, it is not confirmation bias, though that is a problem in the field. There are clear, unmistakeable correlations, blinded.

As to cranks, there are Wikipedians who have suppressed information from sources that, by policy, should be golden, such as JzG and the troll once known as Science Apologist, and they also acted to suppress study of cold fusion on Wikiversity. These are highly disruptive users, and motivated by something other than “building an encyclopedia” that is neutral. Like RatWiki in general, they reject neutrality, pretending to support the SPOV (Scientific Point of View), which is an oxymoron.

There are credible scientists working on fusion at less than millions of degrees, but they tend to avoid the term “cold fusion”.

Possibly the most common term is LENR, or Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. They are called low energy because they do not require high initiation energy, as with ordinary “hot fusion.” They were called “cold fusion” by the press, but, while there are theories, it is not known what the actual reaction mechanism is. There is substantial evidence, however, that in the original FP Heat Effect, the heat was generated from the conversion of deuterium to helium, because of how the heat released matches measurements of helium production.

Darryl was not lying, to my knowledge, when he said he had “never written about cold fusion.” Other than as off-hand mention, that is. But he is lying when he claimed not to know who I am, he wrote the article! — and because of that, and I assume that, creating all those socks, he copies his watchlists, that is how he promptly saw the Oliver Smith comment on the Talk page for my article, unless Oliver told him directly.

Ongoing John66 activity

Reviewing, John66 is Darryl L. Smith, the continuation of Debunking spiritualism, having branched into “diet woo,” using Skeptic from Britain on Wikipedia, and then, preparing to bail from Wikipedia, having created the John66 account to pursue the same topics. Ongoing activity has revealed more connections. In the latest flap, an account appeared, Dinocrisis editing John66’s article, in line with what I would expect from someone naive about RationalWiki, and with an interest in “paleo diet,” or “carnivore diet.” This account was promptly blocked as an “impersonation account.” Why? The account makes no pretense of being the original DinoCrisis. DinoCrisis is a well-known early sock of Darryl L. Smith. Dinocrisis was blocked as a result of this comment by Desert Heat, very likely a Smith sock.

John66 why are you wasting your time talking to Michael Coombs? He is cooped and banned here, even on another sock earlier today. His new account “dinocrisis” is just an impersonation of an old account DinoCrisis, a user he has a grudge against. Desert Heat (talk)\

Anyone familiar with the Smith brothers’ history would know that DinoCrisis was Darryl. So who is Desert Heat? This is definitely a Smith brother, but which one? From signals, it’s likely Darryl, i.e., Desert Heat was talking with himself. Less likely, Oliver. Desert Heat, the next day, went after the open replacement account for Dinocrisis, Liberosaurus Rex.

This is too common on wikis: an account appears with no other purpose than to attack another account, and the wiki regulars are led by the nose, showing no sign of recognizing that this is obviously and blatantly a disruptive SPA, a sock. As to the long-term conflict between Mikemikev and the Smiths (mostly Oliver), the more disruptive side, long term, is Oliver (which is no praise of Mikemikev! They were both administrators on Metapedia, an arguably racist encyclopedia).  Many Smith accounts have been blocked on RatWiki, but who cares? I have only “defended” Mikemikev against false accusations by the Smiths. (Which include Smith impersonation socks on Wikipedia, and a recent SPA creation of a Long Term Abuse report on Wikipedia, and nobody has yet noticed the obvious: that was created by Oliver Smith, banned. Wikipedia can be quite dim.)

The block log for Liberosaurus Rex shows that John66 blocked him as being Mikemikev. John66 would be particularly sensitive to “DinoCrisis,” because that was him.

But Darryl is recently attacking the ideas of a very large community, the low-carb high-fat diet community, millions of people, and the related cholesterol skeptic and statin skeptic communities. Reviewing the edits of Dinocrisis and LR, I see signals that this is someone from those communities.

Dysklyver [Neodysk, below] has already expressed some level of despair about the huge Smith family of sock puppets, and he ends up blocking LR, with this message, more like a Wikipedian than a Rat:

But anyway. Hi Mikey “I can see how you would be useful if they needed someone to write sickeningly dishonest personal smear pieces to destroy the reputations of people who disagree with the regulars here. You people are lower than dog vomit.” Thanks for confirming it is 100% you! Tremors (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Yes there are hundreds of thousands of people on that network in that area, using that exact IP range. Yes they are all technically indistinguishable. Yes, CU/IP evidence is form of pseudoscience. However, it doesn’t really matter since you don’t appear to be very well suited to this website anyway, and your attitude is not conducive to the desired environment. Consider your implicit appeal to be unblocked rejected. I am not looking for a reply so will disable talk page access now. Have fun. — NekoDysk 16:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

But what about the attitude of Tremors and all the other socks stirring up Mikemikev hysteria? Is Wang a sock? He actually looks like Mikemikev to me, at least the message is mikemikev. What about Boglin Collector? (I had noticed this account on registration. Oliver Smith allegedly collects Boglins. So this could be an impersonation account, but Darryl creates many of these, sometimes avalanches of them, it was this habit that introduced him to me. On the other hand, this account could be Mikemikev.) The argument about K. Peters indicates to me that he is probably not Peters. I had noticed the Roehampton University mention, that was Oliver’s school.

So this resembles trolling, but only trolling likely to be meaningful to the Smiths, who, in turn, create massive confusion with false flag socks, etc.

What about Paycheck? Somebody is going after alleged Mikemikev socks with a vengeance, creating many socks to do it. This is standard Smith behavior! And John66 is right in the thick of it. Darryl Smith!

Paycheck confirms what I had suspected, and, in fact, wrote about here, earlier, not having seen this:

The same person was blocked today as User:K._Peters_BSc(Hons) KPeter Bsc (Hons).

There’s a word filter now on naming this person, but everyone knows who he is.

I emailed David Gerard today providing proof this same person was Peters.Paycheck (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Paycheck is obviously Oliver Smith, and David Gerard hastens to do whatever he wants. See David Gerard. This sequence sealed it for me, I had suspected Gerard, had seen his name showing up many times, in connection with Smith socks, but never before looked at the overall pattern.

Paycheck refers to Wikipedia, and shows intense knowledge of Mikemikev alleged socks. I have no doubt about the identity of Paycheck. and then he confirmed it:

Mike never stopped, he’s created at least three more sockpuppets: Wang  Boglin Collector & K. Peters BSc(Hons). Peters was blocked today as an impersonation after I emailed David Gerard — Mike is impersonating my family members, not only on this wiki, but other websites. The reference to the universities on Peters user page are universities I’ve attended and Peter(s) is an individual related to me he’s impersonating across the internet, including using his photo on the Encylopedia Dramatica forum. Boglin is a reference to toys I collected as a child and Mike mocked me for collecting on ED; I now see that account is blocked, but Wang isn’t. I provided proof Mike is Wang on his user talk.Paycheck (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

“Impersonating my family members” would refer to Dinocrisis (i.e, hinting at Darryl) and Boglin Collector (hinting at Oliver). Given that Boglin Collector attacked Wang, this is all suspicious. However, I agree that BC could be Mikemikev, from the sarcastic comment about Oliver’s university. If Peters is Mikemikev, he is trolling Oliver, and doing a great job of it. Oliver goes ballistic. That’s the goal of a troll. And Oliver reveals one more time that these attacks are on his “family.” I.e., him and his brother, and he has often written “my brother.” Yet they claim that mention of the Smith brothers is a “conspiracy theory.”

No, it’s a very old story started by the Smiths themselves. In email known to me to be from Smith, he claimed, at one point, that he had invented the story, but he was, it is nearly certain, lying.  Now, is this Mikemikev pretending to be Oliver (because Paycheck is obviously Oliver)? Perhaps someone things so, because Paycheck was blocked for “ban evasion.” I think Mikemikev is banned, but Oliver has merely been blocked many times and comes back with new socks, prolifically. Does the blocking sysop know what he did? I’ve seen a lot of Mikemikev edits, I don’t think Paycheck was him.

Is it possible that K. Peters is Wang? It is not impossible. Wang uses a Chinese term for SJW, and K. Peters looks to me like a “diet community user” who blames liberals and SJWs for the attack on low-carb/carnivore/paleo diets on Wikipedia and RationalWiki and elsewhere. I’ve been following them, and they don’t understand the “rational skeptic” community, which is not actually SJW, it is only allied in some ways. And the Smiths use RatWiki as their personal army, to troll his targets. Darryl has made a target of a community with millions of people.

The terms that Smith thinks must mean the user is Mikemikev could be any of many others (and the usages don’t seem quite the same to me).

If Mikemikev is involved with this, he would be tossing gasoline on the burning Smith, perhaps with Boglin Collector. What is happening with all this is that Smith is becoming more and more obvious, more and more exposed. And Oliver spills beans profusely. So it is useful. Oliver commonly reveals secrets that a sane conspirator would not. Would Gerard want the world to know that he jumps when Oliver says “Jump”?

(Mikemikev IP could also possibly be Smith IP, they are in the same region.)

John66 demonstrates clearly his identity as Darryl L. Smith. Were he whom he pretends to be, he’d not be so interested in Mikemikev socks. All this gives me more data to toss into the analysis.

Darryl is treading on more dangerous ground than Oliver was, before him, that got Oliver sued. John66 blocked K. Peters for “making legal threats,” but as pointed out, it was not actually a threat. Then David Gerard blocked K. Peters, calling him mikemikev, a well-known racist. Gerard is real-name and lives in the U.K., and so is easily vulnerable to action from U.K. targets. If K. Peters is not mikemikev, that would be actionable defamation. However, I don’t know the fact. K. Peters could be a pseudonym and could actually be mikemikev, but why does Gerard take the chance? What is his critical interest here?

This is truly funny: John66 suggests shutting down new account creation (permalink) so that he can work on articles in peace. He is kicking hornet’s nests, with his “work,” people with resources, not the usual dodgy fringe. Attack socks have been showing up for a long time serving his agenda. Dysklyver says it, he would block “everyone involved,” and he knows the Smiths are involved, but will this happen? John66 is lying, routinely, but does anyone on RatWiki care?

(Had I behaved with sysop tools as John66 has been behaving, I’d have been “promoted” long ago. (When I was desysopped, by David Gerard, I had done almost nothing, the whole mess was set up by the Smiths. This is obvious: there have been special accommodations made for the Smiths, support from people like Gerard. There are obvious socks on Wikipedia that are not being touched, perhaps because most who might notice them have been banned. How did these dysfunctional twins pull that off?

Attack dogs are useful to some, they allow enemies to be targeted with less risk to self. The faction they work with has long openly expressed contempt for the concept of neutrality. They are actually enemies of science, which requires rejection of dogmatic authority. Even thought they are supposedly “liberal,” they are intellectual fascists, attack dogs supporting the authority of those they agree with, not following the courtesies and traditions of academia and science, for which they have no patience.

Oliver is now widely recognized on RatWiki. The identity of Paycheck has been discussed. Rats seem to have no problem naming Mikemikev, outing various alleged socks as him (rightly or wrongly), but avoid mentioning Oliver D. Smith, because for years, anyone who has, has been promptly blocked. With a major exception, a story for another day. From the talk page of that admin, who has changed his name twice in as many days.

So… who was he?

Paycheck, I mean. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 19:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

The guy who follows mikey around and points out his socks is also an sock-abusing, obsessive race troll, with slightly different racist views that make him hate mikeymike. He’s better at staying deep-cover longer, though. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:40, 6 March 2019

(UTC)Ah, good to know. Thanks! ℕoir LeSable (talk) 19:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Not very deep. What is ignored here is John66’s activity that is the same, not because he is Oliver, but because he is Oliver’s twin brother, Darryl. It was Mikemikev who put up the information that, when I verified it, showed me that Darryl was Oliver’s twin, the other half of Wikipedia’s Anglo Pyramidologist.

John66 is routinely violating RatWiki practice, but he has gotten away with that many times. To them, it looks like he is a “valuable content creator.” That he lies doesn’t matter to them. Doesn’t everyone lie?

Plans for article development

John66 has plans. His first draft of the list had some comments, he removed them. Copying into WordPress does not show the redlinks (links to pages that don’t exist yet) so I’ve colored them. I am also adding notes. “SfB” indicates Skeptic from Britain touched that topic on Wikipedia. “WP indicates a Wikipedia article link. “AfD” is a WP deletion discussion. That list:

I use RationalWiki for a scientific research project of mine – to debunk and document the rise of cholesterol denialism, a very dangerous belief system not supported by science. It is not as big as vaccine denialism but is on the rise thanks to pseudoscientific books written by snake oil peddlers and quacks, unreliable reporting from newspapers and LCHF mob groups on social media (especially Twitter).

List of cholesterol denialists:

In five or ten years somebody[2] will probably write a book about modern cholesterol denialism from a skeptical viewpoint. I hope these articles help with any research.

I aim to have all articles completed by the end of 2020[3] Note – It is not possible to cover every cholesterol denialist! I will only cover the main players.

Useful links


  1. Jump up A Skeptical Look at Dwight Lundell, M.D.
  2. Jump up Maybe myself
  3. Jump up As a chef in real life, I will not always be active on here, there may be months of inactivity. I may invite friends to help out on other accounts.

He is not whom he has claimed to be. Yes, the notes are defective. He replaced the last sentence with: “Leave me a message on my talk-page if you are interested in helping creating articles for any on the list.”
With his next edits, he removed the scare-quoted “Dr.” and added more names:

He is going after real doctors, credentialed scientists, who publish in peer-reviewed journals, as well as diet book authors and others. Anyone, no matter whether it is science-based or not, who is skeptical of  (“denies”)mainstream views becomes his target. People in those communities suspect Skeptic from Britain (John66) of being a shill for big pharma. I rather doubt it. Funding him could be very, very risky, with much less payoff than supporting favorable articles in journals and then in the popular press. Is that happening? I don’t know. Some journalists are simply desperate for a cheap story.

When Gary Taubes takes an assignment, he sometimes spends years on it. His books become tomes, heavily referenced, highly useful for anyone who actually wants to research the history, in particular. Because Taubes is so obviously a genuine skeptic (not a simple “believer” in his own ideas), I will look at that article in detail, with John66/Taubes.

Blocks his brother

John66 has become active with Smith topics. His brother, Oliver, has been blocked on a few accounts, or retired when clearly exposed. So Darryl takes up the slack. He is now a one-man crusade against Mikemikev, often by name.

On the Hereditarianism article, there have been trolls, but there have also what appear to be good-faith users, attempting to point out that the article has an obvious error in it. If new, all blocked as Mikemikev. This is Smith paranoia, because hereditatianism is a discredited view, not intrinsically racist, not even about race, but about the heritability, generally of intelligence. Complicating this are huge political issues. Racists use hereditarianism to justify their political positions. Racialists are not intrinsically racist, see the current Wikipedia article. But the language becomes confused by politics.

John66’s recent block log shows a high concentration of actions related to the Smith brothers (and Mikemikev, their long-term nemesis). This belies John66’s claim to being a new user interested in pseudoscience. He is, of course, a Smith brother, pursuing long-term Smith goals, which include defamation and harassment of enemies.

ODS_and_DDS is an obvious troll, likely Mikemikev, all right. It looks like Mikemikev, though he knows about the brothers, is not careful about discriminating between them, because John66 is not Oliver as this troll claimed. This block would be normal, since the account directly trolled John66. However, that would be a consequence of many actions taken against Mikemikev socks and others, and since the one, until very recently, exposing these socks has been Oliver (now blocked), Mike would assume that this was also Oliver. I think Mikemikev is not reading this blog.

However, this is hilarious, he blocked Radicaljacky for “ban evasion.” The Smith brothers are not careful about the difference between a block and a ban. This edit could be “block evasion,” since some of Oliver’s accounts have been blocked. The single edit of this account is remarkable, though. This was to Talk:Hereditarianism (and John66 has semiprotected that page to prevent more new-account edits) There was another trolling account that edited, to be sure. However, these edits were not “vandalism.” On RatWiki, expressing a point of view that merely looks different from that of the Mob is “trolling” — which is possible — or vandalism. Radicaljacky, though, appears to have editing sincerely. The edit:

Confusion about article and people adding dubious content, and now trolling

Hi, I’m the article creator, so I wish to clarify:

The article creator was Freddo, which I conclude was Oliver Smith. His last edit effectively admits it. His use of Rationalwikiwiki for defamation may have led to the deletion of that wiki. This doesn’t fit anyone else. Oliver is knowledgeable about the issue.

The idea IQ (as a measure of intelligence) is invalid – is a fringe view held by few psychologists; experts agree IQ tests have statistical reliability, make predictions and do reliably measure important elements of intelligence (see Turkheimer, E. 1990. “Consensus and Controversy About IQ”. Contemporary Psychology. Vol. 35. No. 5: 428-430).

With caution, this is true. The other side, the “fringe view” also has validity, because there are many kinds of intelligence. IQ (which means scores on certain standardized tests, and the tests may be culturally biased). Nevertheless, IQ scores are “a measure,” merely not a definitive or final one, and “native intelligence,” I think it is called “g,” is very difficult to measure without introducing bias.

The Turkheimer article was also created by Oliver, as CBH. What I can see there, on the part of Oliver, is the creation of conflict. Jsolinsky, who became involved, and there was a coop case opened, in his last edit, sums up an (apparent) academic’s view of RatWiki. Probably Solinsky.

Within-group heritability of IQ is widely recognised to be about 60% but with estimates ranging between 30% and 80%. There is a consensus “experts believe within-group differences in IQ to be at least partially inherited” (Snyderman & Rothman, 1987).

Rather obvious. This would be Oliver’s position, if I am correct. Oliver knows I have his email address, and he can correct me using it. I would not want to attribute to him what is not his actual view. (Because Oliver has a history of lying I will also not take his claims as authoritative, but at least he has full right to object, and anything on this from him will be reported.)

Butcher et al. (2008) first discovered six genetic markers (SNPs) associated with cognitive ability, although of these “influence of only one gene has been consistently replicated in subsequent studies” (Nisbett et al. 2012). In 2017, a study identified 52 genes linked to intelligence and in 2018 another study managed to find “538 genes that play a role in intellectual ability, along with 187 regions in the human genome that are linked to cognitive skills”.
At some point a troll vandalised my article to say “There are no genes that affect human intelligence” which is demonstrably false.

Right, and it is also unsourced. Yet RW sysops have edit warred to keep that text in place, and have blocked people merely for pointing out the problem. This would be exactly what the trolls would want, the goal being to make RW look as bad as possible. It is relatively easy to make an account and get sysop, and one never gets desysopped for promoting the Mob point of view, even if it is preposterous. So a real troll might do it and the use the account only for promoting “Mob stupidity.” I have no doubt that this would work, but it might not be necessary, because Mobs are famously not very smart.

Was this introduced by a “troll”? CBH made that edit. This user had discussed the changes on Talk. Concerned had objected. (Oliver!) The edits were reverted by Bongolian, then restored. Concerned accused CBH of being a sock of Jean Lusaz as a “parody” account. Standard Smith behavior. Was Lusaz a troll, parodying SJW views? Maybe, it’s possible. If so, it worked, because the Mob is supporting the nonsense inserted.

Even if scientists hadn’t discovered genes linked to intelligence, this doesn’t mean they don’t exist. For example within-group heritability of height is very high (90%) but so far only a small amount of genes involved in human stature variability have been identified.

Oliver actually knows something about the topic. These arguments are actually rather obvious. The difference between hereditarianism and enviromentalism, on intelligence, is over degree and significance but it gets mixed up with politics and policy implications, and if one view is used by racists, anti-racists believe that they must attack that view. This is part of the general problem of irrationality that is endemic in our society, and RatWiki and the Rats are no exception. There has been a similar problem on Wikipedia: if a subject matter expert shows up, and attempts to fix errors in an article, they are likely to be attacked by editors who do not understand the sources. This is common with SPOV fanatics, whereas real science and real skepticism do not, in the long run, follow authority, whereas we can see with the SPOV faction, that the alleged mainstream opinion dominates.

Wikpedia theory was that fringe views would be covered on the project, according to their notability, i.e., their coverage in reliable source. But the SPOV faction, I have seen it again and again, excludes reliable sources that appear to support fringe views, arguing undue weight. That is all subjective and actually contrary to policy, but if there is an organized or coherent faction (created by watchlist coherency), it can prevail on Wikipedia. WP has appeal processes, but RatWiki has shortcuts and even less reliabity. As can be seen, again and again, users are blocked because of their alleged point of view.

Emil Kirkegaard has been trolling the main article and created a fake account to parody an SJW, adding the false claims, and has since been posting about this article, linking to the dubious content – to mock it on his Twitter profile. This also attracted Vekimekim (spell backwards because of word filter) to sock here on a bunch of fake accounts above, also parodying an SJW.

It’s not impossible, though I rather doubt that Emil Kirkegaard is the source. The one who might create trolling accounts could be Mikemikev. Clever, if so.

I totally get there are some people who reject IQ measures intelligence and so they reject IQ testing, but those people are a minority and I always thought RationalWiki should defend the scientific consensus rather than fringe views.

“Scientific consensus” is rather poorly defined. “Consensus” should mean wide agreement, not a mere majority position, and whenever minority views are heavily suppressed, consensus becomes meaningless.

The fact I argue within-group heritability is 60% does not of course mean I think that between-group heritability is 60%; on the contrary, what I explained in the article is that “A group of very short people may have heritability’s for height well above 0.9, but still owe their relative stature entirely to poor nutrition. Within and between group variation are entirely different phenomena” to quote Gould (1980). I emphasise this throughout the article.

Yes. He did.

The point in me creating this article was to debunk between-group heritability not within-group heritability.
It’s entirely reasonable and a mainstream respectable position to argue within-group heritability of IQ is 60%, but between-group heritability, 0-1%. That’s the position of Eric Turkheimer.Radicaljacky (talk) 03:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Again, multiple signs, this is Oliver Smith, who did create the article. His reward, a prompt block by his brother. And if Mikemikev is involved, he is fully demonstrating what he would like to show, these “SJWs” who don’t know their hind ends from a hole in the ground. There are some users who seem to be aware, for example Ariel31459. There have always been some sane Rats. They are often overwhelmed.

This discussion appeared:

I’m just curious about a block

You blocked a user named Samantha Priss. I am wondering, is it a sock of a known troll?Ariel31459 (talk) 01:38, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

15:57, 10 March 2019 Dysklyver (talk | contribs | block) blocked Samantha Priss (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled) (Trolling talk pages) (unblock | change block)

15:56, 10 March 2019 Dysklyver (talk | contribs | block) blocked Samanthaprissmikemikev (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Undesirable username) (unblock | change block)
Probably Mikemikev. — NekoDysk 02:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Possible for Samamtha Priss. Quite unlikely for the account with mikemikev in the name. Socks that telegraph identity are quite unusual, except for a few recently-blocked users who want to get in a last word, knowing they will be blocked. Rather, in order to amplify the impression that XXX is disruptive, a Smith brother (probably Darryl, I have seen this behavior from Darryl without doubt, will create many socks with names pointing to the blocked or banned user. Many Rats fall for it.

John66 and Bongolian are the same person

They are both the same person, they should be banned. OAPP (talk) 12:16, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I know both of them – as two separate different people. Get a life. — NekoDysk 12:18, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Bongolian and James66 are clearly different users. NekoDysk (Dyskliver) is correct. I never have suspected Bongolian of being a sock of anyone, which makes me suspect that OAPP is an ignorant troll. It could be Mikemikev, possibly, but there are many other Smith enemies that might make the same mistake. The Smiths deliberately create massive confusion, and they have years of practice at it. Quite a few of the enemies they have made believe that the twin story is a red herring, it’s Oliver all the way down. I consider that very unlikely, there are very clear behavioral differences. There is more work I could do on this question but it does resemble “work.”

Why are you defending Smith

He’s abusing multiple accounts. He’s been [socking?] on almost every wiki he’s ever logged onto! — Unsigned, by: Bright eyes / talk / contribs

Never coop banned, so it’s technically allowed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ — NekoDysk 12:37, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Dyskyver knows, at least to a degree, who Smith is (at least Oliver). Here, he essentially admits that. The “never coop banned” would require a cooping that lists the accounts, and when I attempted that, not using “Smith,” and when I commented on an article a Smith brother created on themselves (likely that, anyway), I was desysopped and blocked with no cooping, and then considered “banned.”

Others who documented the Smiths elsewhere were desysopped and blocked for it on RatWiki, yet their targets are routinely outed by real names. This has been going on for years, and, indeed, the Smiths, considering the level of disruption they have caused, have been very strangely protected.

Were I still a sysop on RatWiki, I would also have blocked these accounts. Dysklyver has expressed what may be despair about dealing with the Smith accounts, there are really a huge number of them. And then:

17:39, 11 March 2019 Cosmikdebris (talk | contribs | block) blocked They are him (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Ban evasion) (unblock | change block)

17:39, 11 March 2019 Cosmikdebris (talk | contribs) deleted page Bongolian is John66 (Harassment: content was: “Bongolian is a RationalWiki user who is also John66 and behind the Smithy accounts. It is all on A-B-D’s blog. John66…”, and the only contributor was “They are him” ([[User talk:They a…)

This would be a Darryl account, since they first started their attack on me on RatWiki, they have created many impersonation accounts. (and before then as well). If Mikemikev wanted to point to my blog, he would use an archive.is link (because the blog is blacklisted on RatWiki. This is double impersonation trolling. That is, John66 (almost certainly) is attacking himself with Bongolian, to discredit claims that John66 is a Smith. There is nothing on this blog like what They are him claimed. There is a page on Bongolian, it makes no such claim. Bongolian appears to have believed the Smith propaganda, from many comments and actions, but I did a study of his edit timings, compared to Darryl Smith accounts (not because I suspected him, it was actually as a control), and the possibility of him being a Smith is somewhere between ridiculously remote and impossible. I could tell where he lives from his edit timings, and he has been a voluminous editor.

Looking at the edit filter log, I find many more charming accounts:

Abd_Lomax_in_a_g_string (no edits) classic Smith. Mikemikev? Unlikely, but not impossible. Attempted to edit The Bell curve.  There are many socks appearing that do look like Mikemikev, but many that don’t. What is roundly ignored on RatWiki is evidence of impersonation socking, where a troll creates accounts that will look like User X, if one looks superficially. One of the tricks they used with me was to take something I wrote on the blog and spam it on many pages, adding, say, legal threats, etc.

David Gerard getting sued (no edits, blocked 12:01, 11 March 2019) again, classic Smith socking. I have actually filed a suit, but it does not name Gerard, because I have no information adequate to allege a tort. In fact, at this point, it doesn’t name anyone other than the WikiMedia Foundation, for its own public action, but it does include John Doe 1-9, and whether or not names are added will depend on what appears in discovery. If Gerard complained about me to the WMF, there might be a cause of action there, but I doubt that he did.

John66 is Oliver or Dayrell Smith 12:28, 11 March 2019 failed account creation, too many characters. failed

John66isOliverorDayrellSmith 12:29, 11 March 2019. Failed as above.

(“Dayrell”? It’s Darryl.)

There is no doubt that these are trolling accounts. One can find many such in RatWiki history, and the common factor appears to be Smith involvement, either Darryl or Oliver, but especially Darryl. Oliver claimed that “99%” of the accounts I had named were his brother. However, that’s preposterous, at best an exaggeration. (I keep finding more Oliver accounts.) Darryl tends to stick with one account for most edits for a period of time, setting aside trolling socks. I have clear evidence that Darryl does create impersonation socks to pursue his goals, which are to attack, discredit, defame any and all enemies or other targets of convenience.

John66 is rather hopelessly outed. His brother conveniently outed him as Skeptic from Britain, in December, and then the same pattern of editing and interests continued on RatWiki, and his obsession with Mikemikev shows relationship with his brother. How does John66 know so much about Kiwi farms? Why is he scouring recent changes for Mikemikev edits if his interest is “to debunk and document the rise of cholesterol denialism, a very dangerous belief system not supported by science”?

Why does he even care about recent changes? Yes, he is now under attack, which could explain it. However, he was not being harassed on RatWiki until March 1, when he started blocking accounts based on “Mikemikev,” and edits to articles completely unrelated to his declared interests. But if he has maintained old watchlists, all those articles would be on them. If he is being harassed by Mikemikev, he very clearly invited it. He tried to shut this down. That was shot down. Shutting down new user registration is a variation of “Trolls win.”

RatWiki allows and even encourages disguising identity with new accounts, unless a person has a point of view that the Mob attacks. RatWiki is not dedicated to what it claims on the main page, but on promoting a rather idiosyncratic point of view, a minority position overall, “believers” in “science,” meaning whatever science they agree with, heavily weighted toward the authority of the “mainstream.” This is Scientism, Cargo Cult Science. Not real science. When it suits them, the Smith brothers attack real science, generally when it is challenging long-standing opinions, i.e., “authority,” so this is not “challenging authoritarianism,” it is authoritarianism. But by supporting common opinion, the Smiths can gather the support of ordinary opinionators, which is often a majority on wikis!

Update July 11, 2019

John66 definitely slowed his activity. It has been almost a month since he last edited.  His last article creation was Dietary cholesterol myth.

Darryl does not write to support sound health information, or to promote science, but to attack and ridicule some group that has offended him in some way, especially if he can call them “conspiracy theorists.” In this case, when he was active as Skeptic from Britain, a user criticized him, and when he “retired,” he claimed it was because he had been outed. What had happened is that trollsocks appeared on various blogs to accuse SfB of being [redacted], a “vegan activist,” naming that user. Classic Smith maneuver: get his enemies fighting with each other. The lead from this article:

The dietary cholesterol myth refers to the myth that dietary cholesterol increases the total blood cholesterol level and increases the risk of cardiovascular disease. The myth is promoted by vegans.

Then, in the article:



Vegans are the main proponents of the dietary cholesterol myth. For example,  claims that “blood cholesterol levels are clearly increased by eating dietary cholesterol. In other words, putting cholesterol in our mouth means putting cholesterol in our blood.”[15]

Conspiracy theorist Mic the Vegan claims that the food industry utilize “tricks” to manipulate science into concluding dietary cholesterol doesn’t raise total blood cholesterol.[16]

This, again, is classic. Two examples of what is allegedly some notable “myth” become evidence that the group to which they belong are the “main promoters” of it. Darryl shows no clue as to where the idea arose. You’d think he’d notice it from his sources.

One of his sources has some remarkable admissions. From health.harvard.edu: (my emphasis)

Warnings against eating foods high in cholesterol, like eggs or shrimp, have been a mainstay of dietary recommendations for decades. That could change if the scientific advisory panel for the 2015 iteration of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans has its say.

A summary of the committee’s December 2014 meeting says “Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.” Translation: You don’t need to worry about cholesterol in your food.

Why not? There’s a growing consensus among nutrition scientists that cholesterol in food has little effect on the amount of cholesterol in the bloodstream. And that’s the cholesterol that matters.

Nutrition experts like Dr. Walter C. Willett, chair of the Department of Nutrition at Harvard School of Public Health, called the plan a reasonable move. Dr. Steven Nissen, chair of cardiovascular medicine at the Cleveland Clinic, told USA Today “It’s the right decision. We got the dietary guidelines wrong.”

Who is “we”? Vegans? Hardly. That is referring to the “mainstream,” i.e, dominant opinion in various organizations that advise government and the public. Those guidelines were never actually “science-based,” as often claimed. They were knee-jerk conclusions from flawed or inconclusive epidemiological studies, and the implications about eggs were about the same as from that alleged vegan. I.e, you are what you eat, you put it in your mouth, it ends up in your blood.

And, no, it doesn’t. Some of the standard advice about saturated fats is no more science-based than that, the evidence linking saturated fats to heart disease is weak (and attacking skepticism over this as “denialism” is another Smith trope.)

In any case, Kendrick just dropped a bomb, quite aware of possible flak. He just questioned a sacred cow, vaccination. See Scientific orthodoxy is an oxymoron

Meanwhile, I notice also that there had been some standard Smith trollsocking on RatWiki, back in March, I had not noticed.


  • Verifier was me, this may have been the last time I edited RatWiki. The purpose was clear, and, notice, nothing was mixed with it. The account was promptly blocked by John66 as an Abd sock. Why? Well, he was probably the impersonator on that blog. It is his M.O. And then he needed to create some smokescreen, hence the blizzard of socks that followed.
  • Verifiers was obviously not me. Now, see how well Darryl’s method works. John66 blocked, but RWRW opened up talk page access. Wrong account to do that for. Verifier came first, which was obvious, so Verifiers was an impersonation. Darryl has pulled of this trick many times. He kept doing it because it really works. Wikis are not normally reservoirs of deep and careful consideration, even if some users are perceptive.
  • Randoms Lies. There may be more evidence that can be developed, but this is losing importance.
  • A_random_guy lies. Classic impersonation trick: quotes me, but adds a twist.
  • Journalist quotes me. Offensive summary.
  • Pseudoscience_is_for_losers was renamed from Associate of Rome Viharo, and this account explicitly impersonated me. — saying preposterous things I would never, ever say, but associated with things I actually did, such as asking about impersonation accounts elsewhere. This is an old pattern, it’s where I came into this theater and impersonation socks were playing on Wikipedia and then on Wikiversity and Meta. The original target was clearly a target of Darryl Smith, a.k.a. Goblin Face on Wikipedia and many other accounts. And that flood of trollsocks was checkuser identified as coming from the same source.
  • [Name redacted] The name of this account is the initials used by the user SkepticfromBritain attempted to frame for his Wikipedia escapades ending in December, 2018. This is also an impersonation, that person would never use his name on RatWiki and requested privacy. At this point, I have the account name in the link, but it is not displayed in text. This should be fixed on RatWiki, it is one of the many messes the Smiths have created.
  • was me. Same as verifier, simple question, no complications, except this time referred to impersonations.
  • Cold_Fusion_Person Blocked by John66, of course, with comments about me. I would never name an account like that. This is Smith name generation garbage. Bongolian seems to have believed this was me.

Arguments from Oliver

Oliver has challenged some identifications on the Other Wikis page (supra). Before incorporating new accounts on that page, I will explore them here.

First, that page is a list of suspected socks. Some of these are very clear, some less so. I had suggested that KATMAKROFAN might be Oliver. Stating a suspicion is not a lie, unless one has clear knowledge to the contrary, and I didn’t (though, in fact, I had forgotten some of my prior investigation of that user). When Oliver makes a clear claim of error, I check it out. KMF was not Oliver, he was an batshit crazy wikignome, finally community-banned from Wikipedia, and globally locked, in December. He had changed his name shortly after starting Wrongpedia, and then changed his name again while retiring. The functionaries changed it back. This guy is a loser’s loser.

Oliver and Darryl are not the only insane trolls on the internet.

Then, today, I see that Oliver has challenged another listing. I had written:

The confirmation claim is now removed, see below. It is still likely that Anti fascist was Oliver, this user had access to the CloudFare correspondence about Rightpedia.

Oliver keeps making new socks on Encyclopedia Dramatica, even though he has unblocked accounts with many contributions, MrStrong and then BumChum. Except that maybe these new accounts are not Oliver, maybe they are Darryl. It is possible. This new account is mostly defending John66, which is Darryl.


(posting on User talk:BumChum, a Smith account, who claims to be Oliver Smith, and who is not blocked.)

I don’t own the “anti fascist” account like most the others you listed; “anti fascist” is blatantly a Mikemikev sock. All the “anti racist” or “anti fascist” accounts are Mikemikev who has a history of pretending to be these things before I met him and he’s created plenty of accounts attacking himself and Rightpedia, while pretending to be from Hope not Hate or Antifa. He’s trolled me for past 5 years and created a fake biography of me using these fake accounts that I’m a some sort of Antifa/communist. You now just uncritically repeat these lies about me on your blog without fact-checking anything. The fake biography Mikemikev created about me was that I’m a former Nazi or fascist turned Antifa. Neither of these absurd claims are true, yet you repeat this nonsense about me on your blog.Tobias Rieper (talk) 22:24, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

You’re also posting yet more misinformation. I never have had any association or communication with “KATMAKROFAN” and I’m not even interested in who that is. All I know is it isn’t me, which is easy to prove. You claim to correct errors on your blog – yet you never apologise for all the misinformation and lies you post and when you do revise or edit something, you still attack me as with your bizarre response I keep “company” with “KATMAKROFAN”. You clearly have some form of personality disorder.Tobias Rieper (talk) 22:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


Where are you getting the misinformation you have “confirmation” I’m “anti fascist”. You’re lying again. On Meta-Wiki all I said is I would remove JuniusThaddeus’ name that was mentioned on Wrongpedia – that’s virtually all I did:

The name is a joke in reference to a (deleted) Encylopedia Dramatica article JuniusThaddeus made. The other accounts on Wrongpedia are KATMAKROFAN and a bunch of Mikemikev’s troll socks pretending to be an anti-racist. None of these are obviously mine. Most of the wiki was also blanked by a user named “Joshy”, also not me.Tobias Raper (talk) 12:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

The confirmation was was shown as a link to meta, where Oliver posted as Largewarhammer. AP socks are generally blocked on sight, but they often escape notice. In that conversation, Oliver lied about the history, specifically emails. I published those emails, and they contradict Oliver’s claims. When Oliver is exposed, he ignores it and then later repeats the same lies. He’s gotten away with it for years. In any case, it was Oliver who had emailed me, this is crystal clear, and this provides him with an open channel, confirmed to be him, if he wants to make a statement that is definitively from him.
Tobias Raper also claims to be Oliver, so Oliver is running a conversation on the user talk page of one of his socks, or the other sock was lying and is actually Mikemikev. This, in fact, is Oliver’s standard excuse for outrageous sock behavior. It’s supposedly all Mikemikev, or sometimes he has claimed it was his brother, but when I asked him to clarify which accounts were him, and which were others, specifically, he said it was too much work, and then he wrote that it had all been lies, about the brother, and then he cast doubt on that statement. His goal is to create confusion. And then when people don’t get it right (or when they do! It doesn’t really matter!) he attacks them for “lying.”

So this is what Oliver, LWH, wrote, on meta:


I already left that wiki. so you just pointlessly revived things. you posted on 12 april. My last comment was a week before on the 5th.

The main page was created March 29 by KATMAKROFAN. The first edit to that page by anyone else was by EvilDead, who also created the article on Michael Coombs. EvilDead’s last edit was April 4. There was another account with a classic Oliver name: Pindar, who had commented on the 5th. Pindar also blanked the article on Mikemikev’s mother.

No one else is active there and it doesn’t even show up on search-engines. as i said on my talk page I don’t know what you’re doing.

And if you’re all of a sudden against doxing families, when not target rightpedia? It’s mikemikev creating hitpiece articles that include doxes of people’s families.

As for legal action, you’re mistaken. I will be drafting a letter since I have his parents address, either that or I’ll visit his parents. But before doing that I’ve focused on the rationalwiki and other sites to document and build a profile. He going to loose especially when I alert authorities about all the holocaust denial, hardcore racism and his online behaviours combined with the defamation he posts online. Massive log here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Coombs#Racism_and_anti-Semitism Largewarhammer (talk) 03:26, 14 April 2018 (UTC)


I’ve now removed mention of your name etc on wrongpedia.Largewarhammer (talk) 03:48, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

So I looked at the actions. Anti fascist was active on the 14th, but previously I did not notice the times. In fact, the removal of Michaeldsuarez’s name was done at 3:46 by another account with a Smith-type name, for throwaway accounts, account names with some weird message in them, Leslie_Higgins_crusader88_is_a_legend. What he did, the only contribution, was to remove edits by Pindar attacking Michaeldsuarez, the day before. So this did not confirm that Anti fascist was Oliver, so I will correct that.

However, the story that Anti fascist was Mikemikev is extremely unlikely to be fact. Anti fascist uploaded a screenshot of the response to the complaint filed against Rightpedia with the domain host. It remains likely that Anti fascist was Oliver, but it is always possible it was his brother or some other troll.

An account appeared today, “Anti rightpedia”, and claimed that Wrongpedia had served its purpose and was closed. The user name “Anti rightpedia” had already been used. By the way, I archived the entire Wrongpedia project. It had a robots.txt setting that prevented archive.is from working, but a complete site archive is more useful (because all the internal links, including logs, will work). That is why it doesn’t show up in internet search engines. Haters hate and hiders hide.

Another new ED account showed up, FarLeftie. If this is Mikemikev, as claimed by a Smith sock, it is one of the most sophisticated impersonations I have ever seen. The account cooked for a year. I hadn’t noticed it because I had not looked at the Rightpedia article edits yet. This was the only Smith sock I would have found there. FarLeftie made a series of typical Smith edits to Rightpedia, 11 months ago. If this was Mike, way too much work for way too little effect.

Tobias Raper continued to rave on ED. Looks to me like the admins are taking a holiday.  I take claims of “lies” here as being claims of error, because sometimes there is an error, and, for many years, I have known that paying attention to “enemies” can be highly useful, because they are more likely than friends to notice errors. Indeed, they will be fervently dedicated to that. BumChum is an admitted Oliver sock — so why is he posting on his own talk page as another user? — because that’s what Oliver does — ranted on and on about me, and about what is on the page supra. This all obviously pressed some buttons, because a new account showed up on Wrongpedia today, claiming it was “closed,” “Anti rightpedia.”

I don’t own the “anti fascist” account like most the others you listed; “anti fascist” is blatantly a Mikemikev sock. All the “anti racist” or “anti fascist” accounts are Mikemikev who has a history of pretending to be these things before I met him and he’s created plenty of accounts attacking himself and Rightpedia, while pretending to be from Hope not Hate or Antifa. He’s trolled me for past 5 years and created a fake biography of me using these fake accounts that I’m a some sort of Antifa/communist. You now just uncritically repeat these lies about me on your blog without fact-checking anything. The fake biography Mikemikev created about me was that I’m a former Nazi or fascist turned Antifa. Neither of these absurd claims are true, yet you repeat this nonsense about me on your blog.Tobias Rieper (talk) 22:24, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

This is typical for Oliver. He relies on confusion. I keep in mind the possibility that an account is Mikemikev, or some other impersonator, and I’ve seen a few that might be him, but not accounts like, say, FarLeftie on ED, who made a series of edits a year ago that Oliver later built on, on ED, and who appears to be doing Smith brother work, with substantial effort. Or Anti fascist on Wrongpedia, who appears to have been one to complain to Rightpedia’s domain host. This is very, very unlikely to be Mikemikev. Nothing is impossible, but how often would a troll go to so much work?

First of all, I have taken nothing from Mikemikev’s biography. There are two claims here:

  1. Former Nazi or fascist. What is clear is that Oliver had right-wing opinions, years ago. One of the  red flags for Oliver accounts, years ago, was an interest in the British National Party. Metapedia is currently down, which is where these opinions were voiced, most strongly, and I’m not looking for archived copies, too much work for too little benefit. So the first part is not false, though it could be exaggerated. If I have claimed this about Oliver, where? What was false? Again, this is typical for Oliver and Darryl. They claim lies, but don’t point to a specific statement that could be corrected. Often I have no idea what they are talking about. So I search, and sometimes I find something. When it is an error, or an interpretation presented as if it were fact (beyond normal journalistic license), I correct it, and I always offer the opportunity of reply in situ, which is rarely done. (Compare their behavior on RationalWiki. A target of their articles replying and attempting to correct articles is normally blocked in short order.)
  2. That he “turned antifa.” Again, Oliver clearly is attacking the extreme right wing, particularly Rightpedia, but also such targets as Emil Kirkegaard, claimed to be fascist and racist, or the London Conference on Intelligence and John Fuerst. Oliver has bragged about creating those last three articles. So this is also not false. So what is he actually denying here? The Rightpedia article was created by Michaeldsuarez, but was immediately taken up by Krom, which was Oliver and there are many other Oliver socks in the history of that article (plus a little Darryl).

There are lists of suspected socks on various pages on this blog. It is always possible, and I frequently state this, that a suspicion is only that, based on an appearance. An impersonator, unless it’s quite obviously impersonation, would appear in such lists, but impersonation accounts normally do not continue long, especially when the real person is around, and Oliver and Darryl have always been around RationalWiki and perfectly capable of immediately confronting an impersonator. As an example, consider user Schizophrenic on RatWiki. This user was active from January to September 2016. His edits show extensive Oliver interest. The last edit of the user was 20 September, 2016. 2 October 2016, there was an edit of his user page by IP. It has been suppressed, but the IP is given in the revert.  All the edits of that IP have been deleted, However, any RW sysop can see five pages edited:

And the content of the edits was https://kiwifarms.net/threads/oliver-d-smith-atlantid-tibetanfoothills-markofkri-many-more.17515/

that page can be found on the internet archive, and there are versions on archive.is. Documenting the Smith brothers can be hazardous, see “This is the end,” a message from Joshua Connor Moon. Talk about families being harassed, his mother was fired as a result of harassment, and Oliver, while denying that he “got her fired,” admitted sending the email that resulted in it. These guys are toxic, much more than a little trolling of “lolcows” on web sites.

Bottom line, Schizophrenic was Oliver. So then, sixteen months later:

19:54, 2 May 2018 Debunking spiritualism (talk | contribs) blocked Schizophrenic (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled) (Harassment: Impersonation, not real “Oliver” now Abd using the impersonator on his blog: http://archive.is/ydies)

The archived page refers to an entire category, which is his habit. He is referring to this page, here. Which has plenty of evidence. And then Oliver/Darryl, several days later, claimed I had hacked the Debunking spiritualism account. No, these trolls create disruption and then claim they were impersonated, that’s clear. That does not prove that any specific account is not an impersonation, but impersonation is being claimed where it is radically unlikely.

So this Smith brother went on (I am not entirely clear at this point which brother this is; it is likely that Tobias Rieper and FarLeftie are, together, the brothers, but when one is looking at two smokescreens, how much can be clear?

You’re also posting yet more misinformation. I never have had any association or communication with “KATMAKROFAN” and I’m not even interested in who that is. All I know is it isn’t me, which is easy to prove. You claim to correct errors on your blog – yet you never apologise for all the misinformation and lies you post and when you do revise or edit something, you still attack me as with your bizarre response I keep “company” with “KATMAKROFAN”. You clearly have some form of personality disorder.Tobias Rieper (talk) 22:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Which brother is this? The page supra lists many accounts. It’s very likely that Oliver was not only Leslie_Higgins_crusader88_is_a_legend

Johnny Utah was the first user to edit Wrongpedia after KMF, very possibly Oliver.  Then EvilGremlin, likely Oliver, but it is not impossible that it was Darryl, and the name would be a Darryl-type name.  The site has a robots.txt file that prevents search engines from indexing it. I could fix that, but maybe it’s better left as it is. In any case, it’s likely that Oliver did participate in creating Wrongpedia, and that suffices for “keeping company” with KMF. Next case? “Raper kept right on:


Where are you getting the misinformation you have “confirmation” I’m “anti fascist”. You’re lying again. On Meta-Wiki all I said is I would remove JuniusThaddeus’ name that was mentioned on Wrongpedia – that’s virtually all I did: http://wrongpedia.referata.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Leslie_Higgins_crusader88_is_a_legend

The name is a joke in reference to a (deleted) Encylopedia Dramatica article JuniusThaddeus made. The other accounts on Wrongpedia are KATMAKROFAN and a bunch of Mikemikev’s troll socks pretending to be an anti-racist. None of these are obviously mine. Most of the wiki was also blanked by a user named “Joshy”, also not me.Tobias Raper (talk) 12:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Notice how the claim is that none are “obvious,” not that none are his. Ah, is it “Tobias Raper” or “Tobias Rieper”? I see the troll ‘crat has been active again.

I see no evidence so far of Mikemikev activity on Wrongpedia. As to Anti fascist, from contributions this is extremely unlikely to be Mikemikev. For whom is this Smith grandstanding? The same for Anti-racist_guy and Anti_Rightpedia

All those accounts do what would be expected from Oliver — or maybe his brother — and nothing else. Could this be another RatWiki user? It’s not impossible. A link to Wrongpedia was placed in the RW Rightpedia article by an IP, March 29, 2018, geolocating to British Columbia.  At this point, only KATMAKROFAN had edited Wrongpedia. This IP, then, is likely  KMF.  The IP had many edits to RatWiki, and actually added Wrongpedia to the RatWiki article on Wikis, the same day, when only KMF had edited it., and gives that user name (It is still listed.)

ED accounts

Most what you list aren’t mine, but briefly to correct two of the most sloppy mistakes:

“ShadowofRome – Oliver trolling Rome Viharo”
The name ShadowofRome is a PS2 game. Viharo mistakenly thought the name was a reference to him and I was “trolling” him, you seem to be repeating this error.

So, the account successfully trolled Viharo, but because the name is of a video game, it therefore was not trolling? The logic is brilliant. Let me look at the account again. With its first edit,  this account acknowledged being Oliver Smith.  I see no error here, and only someone batshit crazy would think so. Ah, yes. Batshit crazy. Oliver makes up the craziest excuses.

“Dan_Skeptic Darryl trolling Rome Viharo”
As far as I’m aware, my brother has never posted on ED. This account certainly isn’t him, but an impersonator. You use this fake account on another blog article “Darryl authentic on himself” when this account isn’t genuine. Probably owned by Mikemikev who has impersonated my brother on other forums. Tobias Raper (talk) 13:54, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Misinformation on several levels. First of all, there is at least one ED account where Darryl explicitly posted as himself. There are others that are possible.  Secondly, being familiar with Darryl’s arguments, in many places, this is Darryl and Mikemikev would not likely argue in the same way. In many places, Oliver has claimed that he doesn’t know what his brother is doing, but somehow he comes up with a claim that this was not his brother, and he claims impersonation. If this is impersonation, it doesn’t resemble any I have seen. It is far more sophisticated than what I’ve seen. Sophisticated impersonation is a lot of work, to pull it off this well. This was Darryl, using his Wikipedia user name (disclosed sock, later, Goblin Face), which he knew would push Rome Viharo’s buttons.; Tobias Raper might not be lying, but, if not, he is just plain insane.

This is the page he refers to: anglo-pyramidologist/darryl-l-smith/authentic-darryl-smith-on-himself/

I did not use that ED Dan Skeptic account as evidence on that page. Rather, it was an edit by Iambic, preserved on archive.is. Iambic is not listed on the page supra, because the account has no undeleted edits. Perseus also claimed to be Debunking spiritualism, i.e., Darryl.

There was another account “Skeptic,” on ED. It claimed to be Darryl (and Iambic — Oliver — was responding to the conversation). A Smith brother is now claiming that this was an impersonation. In this case, Oliver did claim that at the time. He was lying.

Nothing here worth changing. But I will reproduce the entire comment from “Skeptic,” because I’ve learned quite a bit about Darryl, having read his comments over at least six years. This is Darryl, all right (I’ve seen many other disclosures of his personal history, written in different places. It all matches). In 2016, nobody knew that much about him, to be able to write this so clearly. This was on ED Talk:Oliver D. Smith that was deleted when the article was deleted for a time, and never restored.

Request to delete this page please read

What Oliver has said about the brothers is true. I have not appeared anywhere in relation to this anywhere until now so I will only type one message here, please read this.
I understand that Oliver for the last 3 years has had a personal internet battle with a guy called mikemikev. JuniusThaddeus seems to have got involved in this as well and it has been going on for years now.
Pretty much all the accounts listed by JuniusThaddeus are accurate. I am not denying they belong to us, I only own the skeptic accounts on wikipedia and rationalwiki, it’s pretty easy to see which ones are mine, the ones debunking spiritualism, fraudulent mediums, alternative medicine, pseudoscience, quacks etc. The reason Oliver denied owning the skeptic accounts is because they belong to me. He doesn’t want the skeptic accounts under his name for some reason. He does not identify as a skeptic.
A long time ago when I was in my teens I was a believer in paranormal phenomena, even endorsing various silly things like ancient aliens on wikipedia. Over the years I started to realise it was all nonsense after I went to university, based on wishful thinking or the result of fraud or self-deception and I became a skeptic. I debunked a lot of people and things on both rationalwiki and wikipedia. I regret creating the rationalwiki pages I have to to dislike rationalwiki it is not an academic website or as professional as Wikipedia. But I disagree that they are ‘hit’ pages.
All the criticisms I made of creationists, parapsychologists or of fraudulent spiritualist mediums, ancient astronaut proponents etc were sourced to scientific or skeptic publications.
I honestly cannot workout the obsession with my skeptic edits on wikipedia or rationalwiki. What business is it of anyone here? I don’t get it. Millions of people edit Wikipedia. I am essentially a nobody. Nothing I have done on the internet is illegal. I may have upset people by debunking their nonsensical beliefs on wiki websites but there is no crime in this. The majority of the stuff I add is sourced, it is not my own opinion.
Oliver holds a minority of fringe academic views and he has got me banned on wikipedia numerous times for causing trouble on there. They then checkuser our location and my accounts come up. There is not much I can do about that. I am not very much active on the website anymore, I ran out of things to debunk.
Dan Skeptic, DinoCris were me. As were the other skeptic accounts on Wikipedia. Oliver does not know anything about parapsychology, his interest has always been history, mythology etc.
The only controversial thing I have ever done is create a rationalwiki article on Rome Viharo. He is a troll I came across under my account Dan Skeptic on wikipedia. Since then Rome Viharo has targeted Oliver who has immaturely done things on various websites and forums to retaliate, even on this website. There is not much we can do about this, but 90% of it is all deleted. Oliver no longer is interested in creating blogs or websites about Rome Viharo’s abuse. He wants it all deleted.
JuniusThaddeus says he wants a photograph. I’m sorry I am not doing that. I am in full time employment, I have a job and am in a relationship. I don’t want my personal details up or name slandered and pictures put up about me. I have the right to remain anonymous on the internet.
We are not blaming anyone here at ED for being our accounts, they belong to us. Oliver has made the mistake of blaming JuniusThaddeus for these accounts because he can’t mention my name so just decided to blame him. He doesn’t want the skeptic stuff under his name. There is not much I can do about it.
Oliver in the past has made a lot of mistakes. He regrets joining metapedia. He was associated with the BNP briefly. He used to believe that biological races are real. He no longer holds these positions and since turned the opposite debunking the idea of race.
Oliver does not have schizophrenia, he made that up because he fell out with mikemikev and metapedia so wanted to make them look bad but it back-fired.
As for JuniusThaddeus unfortunately he now has a large grudge against Oliver and stalks him across the internet. For example uploading those recent pictures of Oliver is not very fair. Oliver now wants to move on in his life I have spoken to him about this and he agrees. He is going to cease all internet communications with mikemikev, Rome Viharo and all these other people like Lulzkiller (above) who posts on lolcows.
Regarding certain beliefs, Olvier used to hold various views and changes his position over time, this is perfectly natural. Like myself he is embarrassed about some of his former beliefs. Change happens.
Apparently users here seem to think we have to stay static all our lives. Some of the skeptics I greatly admire started out as believers in things but shifted their position drastically over the years. Like I said this is natural.
Oliver was embarrassed about his posts when he was 14 or 15 years old on the tomb raider forum so it is natural he would deny them. Don’t we all posts stupid things when we are young? I think it is ridiculous that this sort of thing has ended up here at ED. Nobody cares about it and it is not funny.
As for lolcows website that now stalks Oliver it contains deliberate falsehoods to try and annoy him. Oliver is not a peadophile or attracted to children in anyway shape or form. His biggest enemy is peadophiles and the sexually immoral, he even used this website in the past and another to attack a peadohpile and warn people about them. It is slander to call someone a peadophile when they are not one and you have no evidence.
My request here is for this page to be deleted.
1. Nobody is blaming ED for owning our Wikipedia or rationalwiki accounts. We created them. But many of these skeptic accounts belong to me not Oliver. So it is actually false and not factual to say they are his.
2. Oliver’s mental health has deteriorated and he wants to move on with his life. JuniusThaddeus has been angry but seems to have an unhealthy obsession with stalking Oliver. I request for this to stop and everyone just move on with their lives.
3. Oliver at the end of the day is also a nobody, this page exists because of his personal feud with JuniusThaddeus. I think it is silly to have three pages here at ED dedicated to him and unfair, and it is getting freaky the stalking behavior. This is Junius’s personal grudge war. I would appreciate if this page could be deleted. Like I said I have owned up to these accounts which were actually mine not Oliver’s. Nobody is saying they belong to ED.
Oliver wants to move on with his life. I have spoken to him and he will not longer communicate with JuniusThaddeus, Mikemikev, post on forums, blogs, reddit or any of the other immature things he was doing. He wants to move on with his life and he is involved with a job now.
JuniusThaddeus says its odd for family members in their 20s to still be living together. I am pretty sure Junious is older than Oliver yet still living at home with his mum and dad. It really is of no interest to ED who Oliver lives with or what he does with his life. Why don’t you guys just live your life? Oliver like myself is a nobody at the end of the day.
It is coming up to Christmas and I just think it is sad that this stupid online battle is still going on. There is a large world out there with many good things to see or get educated about. We all make mistakes but this whole thing is ridiculous. If the mods here have any sense of knowing what is right you should remove this page. JuniusThaddeus has removed other attack pages he has created on people. The whole point in ED is to be funny. These pages on Oliver are off-mission.
I am not posting here again. You guys all need to move on in your lives. The world is bigger than this. We are all going to die one day, and I think it’s sad websites exist like this. I have made a lot of mistakes myself but you guys should just see sense and move on with your lives. Oliver has promised me from this week he will be doing this, so you will never hear from him again. Regards. Skeptic 04:48, 27 November 2016 (EST)
This was Darryl, I’m convinced.
Meanwhile, more suspected Oliver socks:


Clever, that Mikemikev. He uses his known name to make it appear that Oliver is impersonating him. Look how it worked! Likewise Dubiczki also known as Fiala or Vajna . And if you believe that, register as an editor on RationalWiki, you will fit right in.

BillConservative had this in the article creation:

In 2018, the Southern Poverty Law Center noted that the co-founder of Rightpedia Michael Coombs has created hundreds of sock-puppets to abuse Wikipedia.[10] He later confirmed this on his Gab account.[11]

The RationalWiki article on Rightpedia has this:

In 2018 the SPLC noted that the white nationalist co-founder of Rightpedia has created hundreds of sockpuppets on Wikipedia.[7] Mikemikev confirmed these accounts belonged to him.[8]

This is what the SPLC article stated:

One of the white nationalists who co-founded Rightpedia, a far-right free encyclopedia that split from Metapedia, created more than 140 accounts in the past 10 years.

I reviewed that SPLC article. It used to have comments enabled. It was a mess. “Bill Connors” showed up, an obvious Smith sock, his Disqus contributions archived.

The comment section is accessible through Disqus. In any case, Bill Connors had written:

Mikemikev the Rightpedia cofounder has confirmed the socks talked about in this article belong to him https://gab.ai/Mikemikev/po… and he seems to find the whole situation funny.

This was classic Oliver smokescreen: As I wrote then Mikemikev referred to the reference about “my socks.”

The Wikipedia link is to the SPI casepage on Mikemikev, so this would be, for him, “my socks.” Were he more careful, he might have inserted “alleged.” But he DGAF (that part was reasonable, he likely does find this “funny”). What I notice was that many of those socks were not mikemikev, that is obvious from the individual reports, so he is definitely not “confirming the socks belong to him.” As well, Mikemikev, like many other AP targets, has been impersonated.  Mikemikev gives the “source” as a person he names in the Rightpedia article as Wikipedia user Maunus. Notice the first report, by Maunus. The finding: “Unrelated.” (But Mikemikev’s comment ascribing all this to Maunus was unfair.)

Back to what the article had:

One of the white nationalists who co-founded Rightpedia, a far-right free encyclopedia that split from Metapedia, created more than 140 accounts in the past 10 years.

That sounds like a lot, though it would only be a little more than one sock per month, and these accounts tend to make few edits before being discovered, so this does not actually bear on the problem of factional bias. However, this was an obvious reference to mikemikev. It was not sourced. However, Bill Connors supplied this:

The cofounder of Rightpedia is neo-Nazi Michael Coombs who users the name Mikemikev, he writes hit-piece articles about anti-fascists on Rightpedia. On Wikipedia he has 143 suspected socks https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

I reviewed the issue of Mikemikev socks on Wikipedia, found on this subpage. My conclusions: Mikemikev has nowhere near that number of actual socks on Wikipedia. The actual number is unclear, because Wikipedia sock puppet investigations are erratic and a systematic error can be created by impersonations — or other misidentification, and there have been impersonations. It seems nothing is recent that is reasonably clear as Mikemikev is recent. At least two tagged accounts were far more likely to be Oliver D. Smith (Anglo Pyramidologist on Wikipedia) socks. That is very likely Bill Connors. Haters hate.

Wikipedia does not distinguish between the Smith brothers (Oliver and Darryl). Together, they have many hundreds of identified socks. They are a far larger long-term problem on Wikipedia than the relatively sparse socking of Mikemikev, or other enemies they have attacked.

In any case, the same information was added to RationalWiki by Debunking spiritualism. Leading me to some suspicion that this was Darryl. But there is some level of cross-over.

Mikemikev’s socks

On ED, the latest Oliver sock is EverybodyGolf. A user account appeared, “I am mikemikev.” The user claims, in his single edit, to be mikemikev. So Oliver goes after him — and after me. He put up this:

Clear up your Wikipedia socks with Abd…

Abd Lomax is claiming “you own nowhere near” the 143 (now 145) suspected socks on Wikipedia when we both know 140+ are yours. Rarely a mistake is made.


And then he quotes me (without the link,) that is one of his standard tricks, I’m restoring it):

I reviewed the issue of Mikemikev socks on Wikipedia, found on this subpage. My conclusions: Mikemikev has nowhere near that number of actual socks on Wikipedia. — Abd

Lomax now seems to be claiming I own something like 100 of your sockpuppets which is not only false but defamation since you post racism and anti-Semitism on those accounts and I don’t hold your crazy Nazi beliefs.EverybodyGolf (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

The full comment is above. I went on:

The actual number is unclear, because Wikipedia sock puppet investigations are erratic and a systematic error can be created by impersonations — or other misidentification, and there have been impersonations. It seems nothing is recent that is reasonably clear as Mikemikev is recent. At least two tagged accounts were far more likely to be Oliver D. Smith (Anglo Pyramidologist on Wikipedia) socks. That is very likely Bill Connors. Haters hate.

In Oliver’s crazed universe, “at least two” becomes a claim of “something like 100.” In fact, however, there are two separate issues, conflated to one by Oliver. First of all, how many “actual socks”?

The category is for “suspected socks,” not “confirmed socks.” The context was a discussion on Hatewatch, where assumptions would be made about “accounts,” vs. IP addresses. The SSP category currently points to 145 pages. Of those, 102 are IP addresses, not accounts. Only 43 are named accounts.

Then, secondly, how many are actually Mikemikev, and how would we know? What happens with impersonations? Are there impersonation socks tossed in that page?

This category is a bit more definitive: Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Mikemikev. It shows 123 pages, of which 52 are IP, 71 are named accounts. In the named accounts I see some apparent impersonations. I have listed these as accounts simply having names to be suspected:

In the suspected category are these accounts:

Where more definitive identifications are found is the SPI archive. This is small compared to the AngloPyramidologist archive (Oliver and Darryl). There are many unsupported reports, and one identification that was retracted.

IonianGreek, suspected of being Mike, red flag Oliver account name. dismissed, but then later checkuser blocked, no tagging. Oliver content so likely Oliver.

In this SPI report, impersonation or other accounts were identified:

KirkegaardEmil was also mentioned. Apparent duck test. Checkuser blocked without identifying master. Not tagged by CU.

(The duck test is highly vulnerable to impersonation from some. Accounts are created on RationalWiki with my name or parts of my address or showing my interests, and they edit by copying something I have written, and then these are blocked and listed as my socks. The Smiths attack enemies by impersonating them and “promoting” their agenda in a radically clumsy way, and some wiki editors jump to conclusions. If a user is blocked on Wikipedia and someone imitates them, they will want to block the new account either way, so they don’t really care if it is accurate. But a pattern of socking like that can enrage some Wikipedians, which is exactly the effect the impersonator wants.)

Reviewing this, I was accurate. There are not “145” socks, as that word is reasonably defined for context. The number of actual socks is a bit unclear, because socks that were suggested to be impersonations were blocked and tagged with the rest. The Emil Kirkegaard socks are almost certainly impersonations, even though the earlier examples were not recognised as impersonations. Quite simply, it’s very unlikely that Mikemikev would appropriate that name, knowing this was someone Oliver attacks.

London Student Journalist is a great example. Oliver interacted with student press in London, feeding them misleading evidence about Emil Kirkegaard. Then, checking the contributions of LSJ, I find that he edited the London Conference on Intelligence. And then I see a familiar name who reverted the contributions of Deleet (Emil Kirkegaard), familiar because I have gone over the SPI case for Anglo Pyramidologist. This was Vihaan Khatri.



subpage of anglo-pyramidologist/darryl-l-smith/skeptic-from-britain/

One of the long-term traits of Darryl Smith has been the creation of impersonation socks. A remarkable one showed up on Dr Kendrick’s blog, with these comments:

Simon Derricut
January 16, 2019 at 9:19 pm

This statin denialism thing is not science. This is why Dr. Kendrick and his associates are confined to posting blog posts about it. It is rarely published in scientific peer reviewed papers. Ivor Cummins for example has no scientific papers! Where are all the 2019 scientific peer reviewed papers on it? Wait … there are 0. Medical journals do not publish this statin denialism.

Harriet Hall in the Skeptical Inquirer has blasted it https://www.csicop.org/si/show/statin_denialism

Statins have saved my life. This is nonsense what people here are saying that they do not work.

Simon Derricut (life long atheist and skeptic from USA).

Trolls lie, it’s that simple. They say whatever they think will outrage their targets. It works sometimes. The target will register an account on RationalWiki and counterattack, and will be quickly blocked and treated as if banned. If someone else tries to point out the problems with the RationalWiki article, they will be treated as sock puppets of the target, and it’s not uncommon for Darryl to create attack socks that are so identified, and this happens especially when the real person, their target, actually shows up. Oliver, Darryl’s brother, also runs this scam.

And then when someone new figures out what has been going on (since 2012 or earlier), they are called “believers in the Smith brothers conspiracy theory.”

On Wikipedia, someone who is “fringe,” meaning holding ideas that are in a minority (“fringe” does not mean “crazy’), who shows up because they can clearly see how outragesously non-neutral Wikipedia articles can be, typically has no clue about how Wikipedia actually works and so is immediately recognizable as an outsider, and easily marginalized, blocked, or even banned, as “SPAs” — single-purpose accounts, or “POV-pushers,” i.e, people pushing a point of view, attempting to make the project violate neutrality policy, whereas skeptical editors who do that are protected. Not completely, when they become entirely too outrageous, they may also be sanctioned, but the faction has developed ways to defang the sanctions. It’s a long-term scandal, well-known among Wikipedia critics.

RationalWiki makes no pretense of neutrality. The Smith brothers, banned on Wikipedia, found a refuge there. And then occasionally create a new account on Wikipedia. If they wait roughly three months, Wikipedia dumps the server logs so checkusers cannot verify identity of an account beyond that, unless they kept copies of logs, which they sometimes do. And then they slip up and are caught anyway. All it takes is one edit, say from their parent’s home or visiting each other, and their cover is blown. But they simply abandon the account and go back to RationalWiki, where they have bragged that they have hundreds of accounts, and it’s quite plausible from what I’ve seen. I haven’t counted the ones I’ve identified.

and then this troll wrote:

Simon Derricut
January 16, 2019 at 9:31 pm

Mr Lomax you come across as obsessive. I would like to see less spam and unproven allegations about this Rationalwiki (not the topic of this blog). Can you please point to 12 peer-reviewed scientific papers that support statin denialism from 2018-2019 please? I found only 1 publication by Aseem Malhotra and it was shot down, easily.

Rory Collins, he compared statin denialism to a belief in a flat earth! He is the sort of man who has saved lives with his research. I am offended by this denialism. Statins have saved my life and my wife’s. How do you explain this? Clearly statins do work! No conspiracy. You said you are 74 and in bad health, perhaps statins will help you. Statin’s also improved my sex life (the wife don’t mind) 🙂

Simon Derricut

I warned the real Simon Derricutt (notice the spelling), , of the impersonation. It has occurred before that a Smith impersonation was caught and the response was that if the name was spelled differently, it was not an impersonation. The comments above are classical trolling, comments designed to elicit angry or other emotional response, both from me and from Dr Kendrik and his blog readers. The first Darryl socking on Kendricks’ blog was comments designed to focus blame for Skeptic from Britain (Darryl) on someone else who had criticised SfB. That, again, is classic. This kind of blatant deception and lying is not a common trait of skeptics, but the problem with some skeptics is that they tolerate it, if the “message” of the troll is one that they like. They more or less believe that anyone involved with the fringe will also lie and deceive, so what is the problem with a skeptic doing it?

Lies and deception form no part of genuine skepticism or the pursuit of science.

Based on that warning, or on my comment on Kendrick’s blog,  (but probably not approved until the next day), this comment appeared here:

no impersonation
January 17, 2019 at 8:49 pm

not impersonation, simon dericut has one t on kendricks blog. abd lying again?

Typical, again, Darryl claims I’m lying, but does not specify the lie. If asked, he normally ignores the question, because he knows is that in some contexts people will make assumptions that if two people are calling each other liars, both are crazy. Using anonymous accounts, he suffers no reputation hit by lying, and people who do not discriminate between anonymous accounts and real people miss the difference. In communities that support (and give administrative privileges to) anonymous accounts, they think nothing of this. This is, however, entirely different from practice in the sciences. Part of what makes the journal system work is that authors are responsible for what they write. Reviewers are allowed to be anonymous, and that can be iffy, but at least there are clear reasons for it. Editors are not anonymous, and are responsible for the decisions they make.

So the real Simon, as I expected (he obviously follows this blog), showed up.

Simon Derricutt
2019/01/18 at 8:21 am

In reply to no impersonation.

“no impersonation” – have you run a search on “Simon Derricut”? That’s two times r and one t, as on Dr. Kendrick’s blog. You’ll find no other comments by that person, and where you find that spelling it’s someone else referring to me and getting my name wrong (Abd has done that as well). I’m “blessed” with a unique name in the world, as far as I’ve seen in various searches over the years. As such, that’s a sock trying (and failing) to impersonate me. Maybe he/she thought that Abd would treat the reply with more respect than an anonymous comment, but of course Abd can tell the difference in tone anyway.

Used to be said that you know when you’re over the target because the flak gets heaviest. It seems to me that Abd must be pretty close to the target.

And on Kendrick’s blog:

Simon Derricutt
January 18, 2019 at 12:41 pm

Dr Kendrick – looks like “Simon Derricut” above is a sock. As such, I doubt if he/she will produce any evidence to the assertions. Check the email address of the sock (which is probably a burner anyway) and if you deem it a good response then delete the comments as spam. For reference, I’m English and have never taken statins either, and would refuse them for the reasons you’ve given. Maybe he/she tried to use my name because I’m a friend of Abd.\

Dr. Kendrick responded:

Dr. Malcolm Kendrick Post author
January 18, 2019 at 5:13 pm

It is getting a bit complicated to know who is commenting. Would that we could look people in the eye.

Dr Kendrick is not an expert blog administrator (nor is he expected to be). It is not complicated, however, if it matters who people are and one takes steps. The software requires very comment given an email address, and generally comes with IP information (I don’t know about the blogs on WordPress.com. This can be checked on a service like whatismyipaddress.com. I’m hosting my own domain and can see raw access logs if I want to. A comment using a proxy server or, even more secretive, a Tor node, is hiding identity. Wikipedia, as an example, will block such IP on sight.

I am not anonymous, I’ve been open on the internet since before the internet (i.e., on the WELL in the 1980s). The RationalWiki article is about me. And I’m easy to verify, just ask and provide a way for email contact. I believe I have sent Dr Kendrick email, and from the email headers he could verify it’s me. We could even talk on the phone. I would be honored to chat with him.

There is a vast difference between real people, not hiding, and trolls who lie with no compunction, believing that they cannot be uncovered (which was precisely the claim of one of the trolls in this series.)

Otherwise comments on blogs can blatantly impersonate people if it’s allowed. In the case of these trolls, anyone familiar with them can spot them immediately. Below I list 13 comments on this particular post I consider likely to be Darryl, or, less likely, his brother. “Steve James,” 2 comments, might be merely confused, but since he has never commented before, this is more likely Darryl.

One might think that some skeptic could pick up on the conversation and post, but . . . how would they find this conversation? The RationalWiki articles are new, with low participation, and the comments(and Skeptic from Britain) have not been discussed there except in one obscure place. Most RationalWiki users are not particularly interested in the diet/statin issues, but Skeptic from Britain found a niche on Wikipedia and didn’t want to waste the experience, so he went back to RationalWiki, and they have a history of debunking quacks (real and alleged), so . . . .

January 17, 2019 at 11:44 am

What is the purpose of all this trolling?

brought a response:

Mr Chris
January 17, 2019 at 6:34 pm

In my opinion there are usually two types of trolling
The first is pure evil, the taking of malign pleasure in annoying other people. Done by the very sick
The second is an attempt to destroy blog communities, by boring them with endless off topic posts, and thus driving the sensibles away
I think we are experiencing the second type.

It is both, Mr Chris. There is more as well. From long experience, this troll knows that sometimes his comments will provoke responses that then cause harm to his targets. That is, in fact, classic trolling.

And then, another comment, more dangerous, perhaps, I will look at this in some detail, and also provide some direct evidence:

January 18, 2019 at 9:19 am

I believe that vegans are behind these “debunking” articles, and they have made it clear the purpose it to use Google, they went behind silly names like “Vegan Warrior” or “Vegan Lady”. You are looking at teenagers or people in their young twenties with nothing better to do but become hooked by a “cause”. They think they are promoting “science” and “debunking” anti-science.

When I saw this, I suspected this of being the troll. I checked and there is previous commenter by “Sarah.” If this were me, I’d check the email address and IP and see if it is the same person (Dr Kendrick should be able to see this information). There is nothing in the software to prevent people from stealing names.

Why would I suspect “Sarah”? Because part of the agenda of the real troll is to stir up enmity between the vegan and low-carb communities. That is not, by any means, a proof, because Sarah’s suspicion is understandable. She is generally correct; but this particular troll is almost thirty, and may be or may have been paid, not by Big Pharma, but by a “skeptical” organization, or individuals supporting such.

Rationalwiki is not a vegan website, they are just using it for their anti-low carb agenda. No doubt the person who created these articles will disappear soon or re-surface under a new name. The people behind this have caused a mass-load of confusion, impersonation, deception and manipulation to try and deflect. Tom Naughton has received fake emails from people claiming it is not vegans, suspicious.

This is SOP for Darryl and his brother. I would suggest that Naughton contact me. There are many people who have been attacked by these trolls. People with widely different views, people with whom I might have little agreement other than detesting lies and deception and impersonation. If someone believes in my favorite ideas, and they use lies and deception to attack the “enemies,” they are the enemy.

Big Pharma are not behind this, this is young adolescents with far too much free-time on their hands. Why else would every mainstream low-carb writer be added to this website, but no criticisms of vegans? This is probably a paid attack. If you look through the editing history of the person who has been creating these articles, he/she is online from 12 at night to around 10am in the morning.

The latest:


“Paid attack” and “young adolescents” are not particularly compatible. As I have mentioned, the age is about 29. Skeptic from Britain started on Wikipedia as an obviously experienced user, first edit was classic Darryl Smith interest in the paranormal and pseudoscience. By March, 2018, there were many signs this was Darryl, but . . . it looks like nobody was watching (Darryl is de facto banned as one of the Anglo Pyramidologist socks, the most notable Darryl sock being Goblin Face). Darryl may be a student of biology and that interest shows in some edits.

I can see the progression in his editing from early “quackery” to “fad diets”.  However, the focus did not become strong on diet and similar topics until November. By the end of the month, he submitted an Article for deletion request, for a probably “non-notable” fruitarian. So much for “vegan activist.”

While this is relatively routine, he would have avoided AfD previously because he knows it can attract attention, and if anyone experienced with AP socks looks his history, and is not allied with him, that account could be toast. Remarkably, it didn’t happen. However, November 22, 2018, he registered John66 on RationalWiki and, over the next few days, created a few articles on quacks. He edited Gary Null, adding standard skeptical material; he had previously edited this as Debunking spiritualism, a clear Darryl sock (who basically stopped editing RationalWiki when Skeptic from Britain started up on Wikipedia. The addition of a see also to Rome Viharo would be a red flag. So he was preparing to bail on Wikipedia, creating a backup on RationalWiki.

He then went more intensely into alternative medicine and alleged quackery, highly controversial topics. He was not naive, he knew this would turn up the heat. Sooner or later someone might figure out who he was. With this edit, December 4, 2018, he advised Jytdog, a skeptical editor who had made a serious mistake and who had retired, that he should take a break and then come back with a new name. After all, it’s worked for him for many years. December 15, his user name was changed to MatthewManchester1994. He apparently claimed he had been outed, but if he had been outed, changing the name would only confuse matters a little, because this can be tracked. All his signatures as “Skeptic from Britain” will remain the same and then if one finds such a signature and looks at the page history, the current name will be there. If one has actually been outed, standard practice would be to ask for revision deletion of any outing and retire the account with no fuss. But he made a fuss. So he had a purpose here.

Then the account was renamed to Vanisheduser3334743743i43i434

I’ve seen this before. Very often it is simply a smokescreen making it more difficult to figure out what happened. It will often be done on request, but multiple renames is suspicions. Nevertheless this is not all that unusual. However, Darryl was prepping for his last stroke: to create harassment for someone who had criticized him on Wikipedia. His last edit:

Hey, I appreciate your help on some of the articles I edited and your advice. You are a good editor. Unfortunately regarding the Malcolm Kendrick thing I was doxxed by some of his associates such as Tom Naughton, Jimmy Moore etc and these people including Kendrick have posted my real life name etc on various social media platforms and low-carb websites. Jimmy Wales spoke to some of these people via twitter but they ended up insulting him. They are not to be reasoned with! I will leave them to their irrational conspiracy theories. I will be leaving Wikipedia. I have requested a courtesy blanking of my username. [[User:MatthewManchester1994|MatthewManchester1994]] ([[User talk:MatthewManchester1994|talk]]) 00:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

He was lying. This was all smokescreen. He had made comments allegedly outing Skeptic from Britain or MatthewManchester1994 as another user with the initials in this comment (even after that whole trick had been exposed), giving the full name, an instagram account, and claiming he was a vegan activist.  When this was a fairly fresh, I searched for “outing” of the real name. It was nowhere, and the only “outing” was fake, of that person, who had criticized SfB on Wikipedia, so he was using his retirement (probably planned since November) as an attack device.

Nice, eh? This is the company that RationalWikians keep and facilitate. There is a problem with pseudoskeptical attack on cholesterol and harmful-fat skeptics, but these “skeptical activists” take it far beyond mere scientific controversy.

Now, some more evidence. I will be looking at the edit times of blog commentators, but it’s work to collect those, much more work than it is for a wiki, where a contributions display can be loaded into Excel in minutes. Just from this one post, there are these:

  1. Wikipedia user  See anglo-pyramidologist/darryl-l-smith/skeptic-from-britain/wikipedia-user/ Notice the claim about financial support.
  2. Rationalwiki fan 
  3. Rationalwiki fan 
  4. [redacted] was correct in what he did  continues the claim that [redacted] was Skeptic from Britain
  5. Anonymous admin 
  6. A word of advice from someone who knows about RW 
  7. Jamie 
  8. Steve James 
  9. Steve James 
  10. Simon Derricut  (see above)
  11. Simon Derricut  (see above)
  12. Henry 
  13. Henry 

Edit times of Skeptic from Britain (Wikipedia) and John66 (RationalWiki)

The chart shows edit date (horizontally) and edit time (vertically). “Debunking spiritualism.” the red dots on the left, was the last identified Darryl L. Smith sock with substantial edits on Rational Wiki (there is at least one other account possible, under study). Those are the red dots on the left. The blue dots are Skeptic from Britain on Wikipedia. There is no overlap for these editors, they edited on different days.

The orange dots on the right are John66 on RationalWiki, editing many of the same topics on RW as SfB did on Wikipedia. There is an area of overlap, where J66 started editing before SfB changed his name and then “vanished” on Wikipedia.

This is a close-up of those edits.

I have arranged the columns to make the day of edit clear. The date is on the right of each column, so the first edits shown were on 11/22.

As can be seen, the timing is consistent with these being the same editor.

Skeptic from Britain’s last edit was on 12/20.

John66 did not edit again until 12/30.

I intend to find as many blog comments as I can. A gap of 10 days, from past observation, generally indicates another active account.


Meanwhile, there is an issue of the hours of the day editing. As can be seen from the SfB account in the first chart, this user does edit “around the clock” to a degree, but this can be misleading on a plot where different days are close to each other. So here is a plot of John66’s editing, in the period after SfB vanished:

This is also a daily plot. Sorry about the captions. . . .  As can be seen, his editing sessions do leave him time to sleep, every day. The heaviest day was today, but he has not edited since 22:51 (he made two more edits after I compiled the above). This is Universal Time, which is what RationalWiki and Wikipedia use. It is also his local time. There have been times when he has edited through the night. I used to do that, on occasion. He’s young, under thirty, it would not be difficult if he has work to do and miles to go before he sleeps. But when he has a long session, he then sleeps in.

His latest edits on RationalWiki are amusing:

Reverted IP edit of Gary Mannion. This is what he removed:

[. . .] While there is bad publicity the medium has not been convicted of fraud, and is working with lawyers on a benchmark defamation case against Rational Wiki and Banyan Retreat!

And again, and again. The IP addresses:, apparent proxy server UK. blocked by John66 (yes, he was made sysop December 30). He offered “advice,” but it was really just a request. “Please do not insert legal threats into articles.”, domain host Canada, I think I’ve seen Darryl use this, not sure. Any of this could be Darryl playing with himself. Or it could be Mannon or a friend of Mannon. Also blocked by John66., proxy server, same organization as .25. No block because the article was semiprotected so an anon IP cannot edit it. That article was started by Darryl, as Debunking spiritualism, December 28, 2017. There had been previous legal threats. (making on-wiki threats is not how to handle a genuine legal issue, it is completely useless. That is one reason why Smith socks have made legal threats using impersonation socks pretending to be me.

So what is all this about? Is there a real legal case? Maybe. But it will probably go nowhere. What I found was quite interesting. There are believers in psychic phenomena, who hate fakery and took action to uncover it. And see this.

Critical thinking and dedication to truth among “believers.” Who knew?

Skeptic in user name

subpage of anglo-pyramidologist/darryl-l-smith/skeptic-from-britain/

In discussions of the Darryl L. Smith Wikipedia sock, Skeptic from Britain (contributions for renamed account — almost 5000), some pointed out that the spelling was not British and that the user was probably from the U.S., and a U.S. candidate was promptly proposed by suspicious accounts and then SfB announced he was again renaming his account and retiring, because of his real name being exposed on those blogs. This was a glorious and effective red herring. The real person behind the account does that kind of thing, though this example shows some development over what he had done before, and he abandoned an account that he had invested many, many hours in.

The facts:

His twin brother, Oliver D. Smith had indirectly outed him on Encyclopedia Dramatica (ED) 19 December, 2018, by accusing me of being the second incarnation of Skeptic from Britain. (He also accused Rome Viharo of the same.) That caused me to look at this account, and what I saw was, by the duck test, Oliver’s twin brother Darryl. Nobody active on Wikipedia seems to have noticed, there was no checkuser request. If there is one (it could be done any time in the last few months), it might turn up something interesting. This user would be a sock of Goblin Face, already de-facto banned as Anglo Pyramidologist, the filing would be on this page. 

It always occurs to me to consider the possibility that an account that admits to being Oliver (such as MrStrong) is an impersonator. However, Oliver knows my email address and could easily deny it, disclosing a real account on Encyclopedia Dramatica to me, and then posting on ED. I would confirm the real account based on the known email. There is always a way to be truthful and even to expose impersonations. However, if Oliver maintained the constant lying (which he also did from the known email account, this would lose some strength.

Darryl would have known that a semitruck was coming down the ‘pike, with his name on it, because he knows full well what I would do, at this point. I’d investigate! I would not just complain to Oliver on ED.

These brothers have cooperated on occasion and occasionally edit the same articles, but their more natural inclinations are quite different. Rome Viharo was onto them before I even knew they existed.

(Wikipedia has long been confused about Anglo Pyramidologist, because at times the brothers edited from the same IP, so they were checkuser-identified as the same user. But there are two different behavioral profiles, if one looks more carefully. )

So Darryl decided, I infer, to use the occasion to create more confusion by setting up a baseless accusation. Part of his motive would be to use the response to “prove” that “fringe believers,” a common target of his, were “conspiracy theorists,” ready to believe anything. So he made anonymous comments accusing the fellow, and then his retirment message blamed his “real name” being outed in discussions. And those discussions were easy to find, and there was only one “real name” given.

And it was not his real name. Few people would anticipate such a plan. Generally, on Wikipedia, when an account makes an “admission” like this, they assume it is correct and that the user was simply clumsy, because they tend to assume that sock masters are actually stupid. If that had been his real name, he would have been announcing it to the world, anyone who actually checks. And that’s how I found it, of course. I simply googled “Skeptic from Britain” and it was easy to find! But I knew their history and knew that they create blatant impersonation accounts in order to attack their targets. In this case, there was a transparent motive, which I won’t discuss.

Darryl’s recent activity had been obscure. I was not aware of any recently active accounts, after Debunking spiritualism went out in a blaze of (glory?) on RationalWiki. I was immediately accused of being DS, which, to anyone familiar with my history and his history, and who looks at what DS actually did in that last couple of days, was preposterous. But RationalWiki is a “skeptic” web site, and it happens to be, too often, a collection of the kind of skeptics that give skepticism a bad name, i.e., people who are skeptical only of ideas that are “fringe” or “not mainstream” or whatever they hate.

An argument that appeared on the blogs was that “Skeptic” was an American English spelling and that therefore the user was not British at all, but an American.  That was an ignorant comment, or deliberately deceptive, pick one.

Here is a Guardian article on the subject. It’s right on, definitive, and undeniable. See the web page of an organization founded in the UK in 1997, the Association for Skeptical Inquiry.

Further, the Smith brothers are British and live near London, and “Skeptic” turns up in many user names for accounts shown or strongly suspected of being Darryl L. Smith. Here are some:

On Wikipedia:

Many accounts considered Goblin Face may be Oliver Smith, not Darryl. There are characteristic user names for Oliver, often easy to recognize. That’s not definitive and there could be some crossover, but these names are from  Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Goblin_Face with “skeptic” in the name:

Then there is RationalWiki. From my own RW suspected sock puppet list:

And then, seeing if there are users with “Scep” as the first letters of their user name, I find 8. Only 1,with 1 edit looks like it could be Darryl. I would not include this in a list of AP socks, but it is simply possible:

  • Scepticon led me to one other user I am not listing, the suspicion could exist, but is low. I will watch the other account, but it is inactive.

Beginning with “Skep” there are many more accounts. Skipping accounts with no contributions, and ones with no grounds for suspicion:

I would actually suspect more strongly is Oliver, from contributions. There is a hidden edit, his last, the text is: is troll Mikemikev. He’s been on this page for years. [[User:Skeptic Jon|Skeptic Jon]] ([[User talk:Skeptic Jon|talk]]) 18:37, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

That is characteristic Oliver Smith. But crossover is possible. I have not tracked this down exactly, but it appears that the edit was hidden by Debunking spiritualism (Darryl) in his terminal deletion spree. DS attempted to hide many comments by his brother Oliver (there were many other ones hidden.) Many of his deletions were reverted, but not all.

Skeptic elsewhere in the name is more difficult to find. However, WTF, there are only 63,552 registered users. I looked at all of them and found only these accounts that could be suspected.

  • Pseudoskeptic_Jon weak suspicion, would be Darryl
  • RationalWikiSkeptic weak suspicion, claims to be Jon Donnis. Notice Skeptic Jon above.
  • Waller_joel_skeptic allegedly Mikemikev, who is also British. Troll account, which could also be Darryl impersonating an enemy. He does that.

The point: Darryl L. Smith (Goblin Face and Skeptic from Britain) has often used “Skeptic” in names. Even other British users apparently not Smith, have used “Skeptic.” The point: on social media, and blog commenting is a form of social media, people often make meaningless and ignorant arguments without researching fact.

This makes it easier for trolls to fit in. The most damaging trolling: trolling that shows evidence that can fool a casual reader who doesn’t check context, and most of all, doesn’t consider contrary evidence.

Basic rule: never trust the claims of anonymous users without clear verification, beware of being fed conclusions before evidence. Ideally, don’t “believe” anything, but verify and weigh evidence. Beware of someone who claims “proof” (or who claims “there is no evidence”, when evidence is actually presented.) Do not confuse evidence with “proof.” Proof exists in mathematics, within careful definitions and logic. Elsewhere, there is judgment “beyond a reasonable doubt.” And that can fail. People are wrongly convicted of murder. It happens.

Journalists do not need “proof” to report what they find and conclude. To avoid libel claims, they must have a reasonable basis for what they write. They can be mistaken, even, and still escape libel claims if their intention was to be truthful and they exercised reasonable caution.

I am claiming that I am “100% certain” that Skeptic from Britain (Wikipedia) is Debunking spiritualism (RationalWiki), but I have not revealed the evidence that makes it so, not yet, at least. Rather, the suspicion was strong, strong enough to even make the claim, but it only became “certain” when I saw evidence that hardly anyone ever looks at, in many years of working on Wikipedia, I only saw this technique used once, and even then with what I consider low sophistication (comparable to the edit timing histograms I show on the Skeptic from Britain page.

So, then, the value of this information may depend on how much one trusts me to be truthful. And this should never create certainty, because anyone can make mistakes. If you need certainty, ask me for evidence. I will not provide it to those who are anonymous, and I will be careful about even known persons, but . . . it’s more possible.

I have not done it yet, but in an attempt to prove myself wrong — I follow the scientific method when it’s important, not necessarily for everything — I will study and compared the editing of Bongolian on RationalWiki, whom I have never suspected of being a Smith sock (I would consider the possibility ridiculously remote). It is not impossible that Bongolian knows more about the Smith brothers than he has revealed, and may be politically aligned with them, in some ways, so after now, once it is known that there can be scrutiny, it would be easy to fake evidence. But that would be very, very difficult to do with wiki history. Insanely difficult, but never say “impossible.” Not reasonably expected.






Skeptic from Britain

Subpage of anglo-pyramidologist/darryl-l-smith/

Subpages of this page:

Collecting evidence on the “Skeptic from Britain” obvious Darryl L. Smith Wikipedia sock.

They will claim “there is no evidence,” and then they will claim that I will write “endless words.” In fact, what I write becomes long because I show evidence. I do not always provide links, but if anyone has a question about any assertion (anywhere on this blog) ask. If comments are not enabled on a page, link to the page in a comment on any page with comments enabled, which could include all posts (i.e, what can be seen from the main page, http://coldfusioncommunity.net).

If any page is confusing because too long, comment and ask for a summary. I read all comments. The first comment from a user (which may refer to the email address provided by the user, I’m not sure) must be approved, as an anti-spam measure, but subsequent comments, after one is approved, are automatically approved unless I actually ban the user, which I have never done. Trolls are skewered and served for lunch, not banned. Welcome! Come on over for lunch!

Baseless allegations against [XXX, name redacted]

There were accusations that SfB was [XXX], or [XXX]. (This libel was created by highly suspicious anonymous accounts in the middle of widespread outrage over the activities of SfB. This kind of diversionary tactic was used in the first AP incident I investigated. It is used to stir up enmity toward an enemy, in some cases, or in this case, to make their targets (which would be anyone considered “fringe” by them) look foolish.

(If [XXX] wants these mentions removed, he may comment here, giving a real email address (which will not be published) and I will contact him. The purpose here is to protect him from these false claims, not to increase harassment. But it will be his choice, I would anonymize the references where possible. We should discuss it. Note: he did so request, see comments on this page and on the subpage.)

I do not know [XXX] and have had no connection with him [as this was first written].  My purpose is, as it has long been, to expose deception and impersonation and the creation of conflict through lies.

This is general, not about [XXX]: when someone lies about another whose politics may be questionable, it’s still a lie, and we do not transform the world for the better by lying about anything, nor do we create “hope not hate” by hating anyone; in fact, hating racism, while understandable, is also not going to heal the wounds. Hatred itself is the enemy, and not to be hated, but understood . . . and transformed.

The trolling (or perhaps clueless in some cases) blog comments:

(some of these, since I pointed out the problems, have been deleted by the blog owners):


skeptic from Britain has an Instagram [redacted]

his name is [XXX] . he is a vegetarian SJW, but oddly claims to eat red meat twice a week.

This comment is typical for AP socks (could be Darryl or his brother). They will attempt to create an appearance of hypocrisy. The claims are not evidenced, at all. The instagram page shows no evidence supporting the claim. This is all attempting create an attack on [XXX]. This then is picked up by others, some might be innocent, some are obviously Skeptic from Britain or his brother.

Stephen Rhodes 

Not sure whether this helps but over at fatheadthemovie someone has posted;

skeptic from Britain has an Instagram [redacted]

his name is [XXX] . he is a vegetarian SJW, but oddly claims to eat red meat twice a week.

[SJW == Social Justice Warrior]

That was very fast. However, Stephen Rhodes looks legitimate, simply naive, repeating a story without noting the lack of verification. Isn’t social media wonderful?

Alex Davis 
Skeptic from Britain is clearly the [XXX] guy. The age range and diet matches. Now he has been outed he quickly changed his username as a false flag to detract attention and confuse. Note that Skeptic from Britain submitted Fat Head for deletion yesterday https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Head. He is clearly angry at Tom Naughton for being outed and wants revenge. I doubt he lives in Manchester, looks like another false flag to me. His editing history matches a US timezone.
It is not clear to me where Darryl currently lives, but he did live in Radlett. He would create, however, many diversions. Naughton had not outed him, rather the trolls had “outed” someone certainly innocent.
It can be tricky to infer location from editing pattern. Notice that non-Wikipedians will not know how to confirm the claim about time zone. This is, again, typical. (Claims without easily verifiable evidence. and anonymous, with nobody to contact to check.)
The current Skeptic from Britain account name is Vanisheduser3334743743i43i434 (the link is to archived contributions, there are currently 4622 live edits. (That’s a high rate for the time period involved, though not unusual for someone who has become very involved.) (There are more edits on Commons.)
This is a histogram of edit times (GMT), converted to fractions of an hour:
The minimum edit time is from 3:54 AM to 6:30 AM. Peak activity starts increasing at 1 PM, rising steadily to 10:06, and then falling off after midnight. This is quite consistent with a UK location. For the US mainland, that would be, East Coast, 10:54 PM to 1:30 AM. West Coast, 7:54 PM to 10:30 AM. Far from a typical Wikipedia editing pattern. While it remains possible (someone may have odd work hours and habits), it is quite incorrect to say that edit timing indicates U.S. location.
SfB showed up 12 February, 2018, making classic Darryl edits, obviously an experienced user already. This is not [XXX], at all, but an editor showing a very familiar pattern (Wikipedians should check “Goblin Face,” checkuser-identified. I will do a study of the edit timings, it will take some time (the SfB histogram was easy, but there is a lot more that can be done. I have edit timing for at least one known and active Darryl Smith sock in this period.  At this point, it looks like “Alex Davis” was lying. However, he might simply be mistaken and a bit careless. There is an Alex Davis with an interest in low-carb diets, but, as well, the Smith brothers pick real names for impersonations, it’s not uncommon, and there are no other comments from Alex Davis on that blog. Will the real Alex Davis stand up?
Goblin Face had over 7600 edits in 2014. This chart shows his last 5000 edits, times are again GMT, converted to fractions of an hour:
The match is strong. These two people are likely in the same time zone, with matching edits. Goblin Face was in England, matching the timing of Skeptic from Britain . There could be more found, much more, and again it will take time.
Low-Carb Man 

Because Skeptic from Britain got outed as [XXX] he changed his Wikipedia username and claims to be leaving the website because he was doxed, but he has submitted your Fat Head movie on Wikipedia to deletion, so you must have touched a nerve of his!

You should check Malcolm Kendrick’s blog comments various vegans have turned up to defend [XXX]. This was no doubt an attack from vegan SJW’s and they claim this is only round 1. You were right.

If a vegan is attacked, and vegans show up to defend him, would this be surprising? However, at least some of those who showed up are clearly socks, pretending to be vegan in order to stir up animosity. While there are some vegans who are fanatics about meat-eaters, it’s not normal. To SfB, all fringe believers are to be debunked and attacked, and if he can get them fighting with each other, so much the better! He creates false flag accounts, I’ve seen many of them.

[XXX]– vegetarian fanatic who claims to live in Manchester as of 2018, but there is virtually nothing about him on the internet apart from some old photographs on Instagram. Let’s hope he goes public about all this! If he studies biology like he claims, then he is editing at a university… I wonder what the university is he at thinks about this (!) Editing Wikipedia on their servers?

No evidence of any of the claims.  There is another post by “Jacob” on the blog. Different avatar. What I notice is the assumption that [XXX] is Skeptic from Britain, and “claims to live in Manchester.” Where? The account was named for a few days MatthewManchester1994. I found no claim to be “from Manchester,” either from Skeptic from Britain or [XXX]. So Jacob is either a troll who happens to use a name used before (which can be easy to do in blog comments) or is very incautious. The claims being made would be common for Darryl L. Smith, though relatively mild.

 Low-Carb guy
I think [XXX] is about the give up the game. Check the latest edits on his account MatthewManchester1994 . He says he has been outed by the low-carb community so he is closing his Wikipedia account and never returning.

This is a Smith brother. Skeptic from Britain was a highly experienced Wikipedia editor, with almost 5000 edits and obviously not new when that started. He would know that this announcement would create a red flag for anyone who wants to find his identity. When researching accounts, one of the first places to look would be the last edit. Here it is. No, this was a red herring. However, long-term, the SfB account has created a great deal of recent evidence, grist for the mill.

The twins are the most effectively disruptive users I have ever encountered, in over twenty years of on-line activity. Their behavior will perplex even highly-experienced users. However, they have, over time, been identified and outed, which they richly deserve for behavior such as impersonations (clearly proven) and attack libels against many, and creating harassment for innocent persons, such as [XXX], as far as I can see. Zero evidence to back up the claims. Not even reasonable circumstantial evidence. None. Zilch. Why did they pick him? They might live near him, might know him. They are in their late twenties, but still incredibly juvenile. Or they picked him at random as a “vegan.” [I found another reason, but do not wish to disclose it because it would create breadcrumbs to the real name of this person, but he is not vegan. He was for a time. He is not a fanatic.)]

I will be researching this further. Darryl has, here, created a body of evidence larger than I have seen for some time. He may now be very careful about editing Wikipedia for a time, because it is possible that checkuser would nail him. But there is more, much more. It will take time to review the evidence. Until after his twin, Oliver D. Smith, started trolling intensely on Encyclopedia Dramatica at the end of last month, I had stopped watching Smith activities.

When Oliver accused Rome Viharo of being Skeptic from Britain, I didn’t notice. But when he went to my talk page, where I get email notifications, and effectively accused me of the same, I looked. Wow! It was immediately obvious who Skeptic from Britain was. He obviously wanted me to see that (or he is really stupid in addition to being insane). Why?

Well, maybe he’s angry with his brother, maybe his brother has been angry with him. It happens in families. Or maybe there is some other reason, or no reason at all, maybe he was drunk or actually schizophrenic, as he once claimed.

Conclusive evidence

I have conclusive verifiable evidence that Skeptic from Britain is the same user as Debunking spiritualism on Rational Wiki, which would be Darryl L. Smith. ( a few people think that the “brother” story is just another deception. I consider it unlikely, but I could investigate this if anyone thinks it really matters.) I will share the evidence with anyone with a need to know. (Including WMF sysops or checkusers). Contact me by requesting an email through any comment on this blog (the comment need not use your real name, but, obviously, the email must be yours!) The contact will remain confidential.

(Anyone could find this, one merely needs to know where and how to look.)

Comments continued.

Low-Carb man

Abd Lomax is probably behind the “Skeptic from Britain” account himself.


The above website says he is Skeptic from Britain, it also has a photograph of Kendrick.

Another website claims Abd Lomax has a history of impersonating people


I would say this is a scam. Why are you targeting LCHF writers Lomax?

This looks like a Smith brother, but … “Low-Carb man” was just blocked by a Wikipedia checkuser as a sock of Amandazz100. See the suspected sock puppet page. This is a huge mess. Checkusers do sometimes make mistakes. Amandazz100 is definitely not a Smith brother. There is a real person involved: Angela A Stanton. If Ms. Stanton sees this, please contact me. (Leave a comment on this page with a request for email, and be sure to include a real email address. The comment itself may be anonymous.)

(The comment below appears to have been taken down. I replied to it, and that comment also does not appear, which is more or less what I would expect.)

 Wikipedia Astronomer 

I am a Wikipedia user that has been following this discussion as it was posted on the ScienceProject. Readers here should be aware that Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a 74 year old was globally banned from Wikipedia for impersonating people and doxxing them. Over 40 people complained to Wikipedia about this person including the known astronomer, my friend Joshua P. Schroeder.

Did Joshua P. Schroeder complain? How does “Wikipedia Astronomer” know what he claims? I was not banned from Wikipedia for impersonation and doxing. I was never accused of impersonation, and there were no serious charges of doxxing except from … Smith socks and a few friends. What I had done (of “documentation”) was actually approved by a WMF steward, etc. So the ban claim is  a straightforward lie, and this person would know it if he actually knows JPS and how WMF wikis work. (I was previously banned, years ago, from “Wikipedia,” the only WMF wiki with such a ban. The “impersonations” were checkuser-confirmed as a single person, and this affair embarrassed some admins who had made incorrect conclusions about identity. Some may have been more upset with me for exposing the impersonations rather than with the impersonator … who is almost certainly already de-facto banned from Wikipedia, and who is globally locked, an effective ban from all WMF wikis. But they simply create more socks, most successfully using mobile IP.

What is the “Science Project”?  There is a Wikiproject Science, but I don’t think he is referring to it. Rather it would be Wikiproject Skepticism. And there were discussions. This user doesn’t want to call it the real name because he knows how that will look in this context. So he twists the name a little. Here are the relevant discussions:

These edits to the Fat Head AfD repeated the accusation against XXX as if fact. Quackwatch was a red herring planted by a troll account, this is not completely clear I have not researched connections with Quackwatch, but I did see that Quackwatch was cited on Wikipedia as if a reliable source, which it certainly is not, and that would be expected from Darryl Smith. This discussion indicates the alignment of Literaturegeek with the XXX story and other deceptive information. LG is a long-term editor. Darryl claimed to have many Wikipedia accounts “in good standing.”  I have not seen enough yet to do more than raise some suspicion on this point. If Darryl has “good hand accounts” he would likely partition the interests, but, then, might slip and dive into a discussion like this. I will be looking at what will be massive evidence, now. If he is not Darryl, I should be able to confirm it and likewise identity if he is.]

LG shows high familiarity with the arguments being presented on the blogs, and repeats them. This is remarkable:

British sceptics spell sceptic with a letter ‘c’ whereas in the USA it is spelt with a K so even his username is a red flag.–Literaturegeek | T@1k? 04:41, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

That is a bogus argument, but LG obviously is British! I covered this here.

This is still not enough to accuse LG, but LG being British, does he know how “British sceptics” spell the word? (Hint, they use “Skeptic.”) Perhaps he doesn’t and he’s just making an ignorant comment. Or he does, and he is making a red herring argument that he thinks will fly with the audience, which is Smith brother behavior. It seems plausible until one actually checks. Sources were easy to find, and experienced Wikipedia editors become quite good at that. I definitely see enough to look more closely at his history, and if this is an Anglo Pyramidologist sock, it would be the biggest one ever caught (almost 27,000 live edits, started in 2007(!), was largely inactive for some years, but edited as another account starting in 2014, an “interesting year.” Loose lips sink ships. (There are doubtless other users who support the AP agenda from time to time, so the coincidences here are not enough to establish anything more than mild suspicion.)

Wikiproject Skepticism is one method the skeptical faction uses to canvass, it is how editors who identify as “skeptics” will know to show up for an AfD or other discussion that might impact the factional interests of “skeptics.” Another method is the use of the Fringe theories noticeboard, which the pseudoskeptical faction uses like a chat line. I’ve seen it used to create biased participation on another wiki, which would be totally irrelevant to Wikipedia. That faction is emboldened by years of being able to violate policies with relative impunity.

The Kendrick article would be a Biography of a Living Person. It is not a science topic, not really in the scope of the Wikiproject, as stated. But the skeptical faction wants to make sure that everyone knows that so-and-so is a quack, etc. The deletion issue for a BLP would solely be the existence of independent reliable sources, and that can be a bit complex to a noob. It does not mean “true sources.” It’s complicated and arcane. For science articles, there may be a weight on peer-reviewed and academic publications, but for biographies, coverage by a newspaper, for example, is adequate. Most blogs are not adequate, etc., but some might be, if they have serious editorial review.

So they canvas, but if someone not part of the “in crowd” on Wikipedia discusses a deletion, that’s “snails and worms.” To be sure, outsiders coming in will often be clueless about what the issues really are….


When a user is office banned, that notice will often be put on the user page.  It says that questions should be referred to “trust and safety.” The only notice to the user is a single email, if the user has email enabled. It gives no reason for the ban, and it states that it is not appealable. There is no warning that a ban is being considered and no opportunity or process for correcting errors. So why was I banned? This user says it. “Over 40 people complained.” That is a larger number than I have heard before. Oliver Smith bragged that he was one, and showed his response from the Foundation. He has long been banned on Wikipedia. I assume that his brother also complained, and he is actually globally banned under many accounts. Did they know all this.

Email access for the user is shut down, because a global lock is simply preventing log-in. But when it was realized that other Wikipedia users could still email the user, they eventually prevented that. In other words, the Office (or locking steward) is also preventing any discussion with the banned user. The community is being censored, not just the user. And hardly anyone notices or cares. This happens in nonprofits, the central authority does not actually trust the membership, because they “know better.” And they might, sometimes, but humans being humans  . . .

Joshua P. Schroeder almost certainly complained. He has often been banned but has nine lives, because the skeptical faction loves him. The page here on his accounts. He came off a self-requested three month block in July 2018. There is story about the history on that page.

JzG would have complained, and the bureaucrat Mu301 (Michael Umbricht) on Wikiversity probably did (he is the one who claimed I was using Wikiversity for a vendetta, though I had moved all activity relating to the sock puppetry of Anglo Pyramidologist off of Wikiversity.) (AP, originally an Oliver account, refers to Oliver and Darryl Smith, though I did not use those names on-wiki, and didn’t publish them until later, after becoming convinced of the identification).

There was a discussion of my Office ban on Wikipediasucks.co.  Two single purpose accounts show up there Catapult and Max. Catapult was banned as a troll. Max was not banned, but only made four posts. Max wrote:

I received an email from the Wikimedia Foundation that they had received “six” complaints of this nature about Abd. Joshua was not the only person to complain. Regards.

The Wikimedia Foundation, by policy, does not discuss global bans. They don’t explain them. We do have a response mail put up by Oliver on RationalWiki. I’ll see if I can find it.

There are more comments from Max there. He is confronted by the obvious variation from policy that I mention above. I had discussed the situation with a former member of the WMF board. I actually thought he was still a member, but he’d left the board not long before. He told me that what I had actually done would not be considered harassment within the meaning of the Terms of Service. He was wrong, except … the complainers probably lied about what I had done. For example, Joshua Schroeder claimed email harassment, which would have been using the WMF interface originally (but not in later emails). In fact, the communication was voluntary and he never requested it stop. But the WMF could see there had been an email, thus they might consider the “harassment” claim plausible. In fact, I published those emails when Schroeder complained about harassment. Did they look at those? They showed I was attempting to cooperate with him, it was a Smith brother (probably Darryl)  who had really made it difficult to delete the information (which was much more harmless than the Smiths make out), by archiving it in case I took it down. His purpose was not to protect Schroeder, but to attack me. And he announced the “outing” and linked to it on Wikipedia, and he also thereby revealed to me JPS’s most recent name, which I had not known. (I was tracking this IP’s posts. These are Anglo Pyramidologist socks. There is a small chance that there was a third user, geographically located close to the Smith brothers, using the same mobile access.)

The discussion on JPS’s talk page:  You can see there how the plan to complain to the WMF was hatched. None of this would protect JPS in any way. I was not using my WMF account to harass JPS at all. The Smith brothers could complain that I was “outing” them, except, at that point, I wasn’t. The alleged publication of family members was transient, immediately taken down so that only the two brothers showed, and nobody would be able to find the house by what was published of the address. And that information is up elsewhere and basically can’t be deleted. I’ve redacted my copies to even remove the town. Still, what was a single incident becomes “doxes addresses and family members.” These people do much, much more than that. As I said above, I discussed this with a WMF board member, and he did not think I had violated policy.

But these people will use any excuse they can find.

Max went on with more details:

The list of people who sent complaints about Abd:

1. Myself (Public IP on Wikiversity)
2. IP (privately confirmed his identity to the Wikimedia Foundation)
3. Joshua P. Shroeder (claims Abd sent him harassing emails)
4. Guy Chapman (Wikipedia admin JzG)
5. Oliver Smith (actually leaked one of the emails)

No proof of this one, but it is obvious (I have emailed him): 
6. Michael Umbrecht – (Username Mu301 – Bureaucrat on Wikiversity)

Indeed. Now, which one is Darryl? Oliver is not the person who had created all the impersonation socks on Wikiversity and Wikipedia. It is that person whom I first documented. Most of the socks I listed as suspected were not Oliver. Oliver was accidentally named in my original study, because the name was in a URL. That was immediately redacted and actually revision-deleted. Michael Umbricht suddenly appeared after long inactivity, attacked me and “fringe science” on Wikiversity, blocked me for an action that the other active bureaucrat thought was within discretion, threatened the administrator who also had made checkuser requests on meta over the socking, and went on a deletion spree. And then he disappeared, he has not edited since February, 2018.

Wikiversity was the place in the WMF wikis where science either fringe or alleged to be fringe, could be *studied.* Contrary to the claims of the pseudoskeptical faction, Wikiversity does not have “articles” in mainspace. It has educational resources, which can include student projects. I developed traditions on Wikiversity (I maintained the site for quite some time) that a mainspace page must be rigorously neutral (even more so than on Wikipedia, it must be neutral by high consensus), but subpages could be attributed and, again by tradition, “owned.” I demonstrated with high success how what would have been major edit warring on other projects turned into collaboration and cooperation on Wikiversity. And Umbricht unilaterally declared that “fringe science” must be first subject to approval by a Review Board that did not exist. And, based on requests from … guess who? … he deleted two projects, Cold fusion (which I had not started, but which I had expanded for a time, and which was not active at this point, I had effectively abandoned Wikiversity, realizing it was unsafe, which subsequent events proved) and Parapsychology. I started that resource as a place where Parapsychology could be studied. I am not a “believer” in psychic phenomena, but the Parapsychological Assocation is a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The definition of parapsychology establishes it as a science, it is the *study* of paranormal phenomena. It is not a “belief” in such phenomena, except to this extent. Here, read the resource, I rescued it when it was deleted.

Cold fusion was possibly more problematic. I simply wrote most of what was in that resource. It’s huge, many pages. Skeptics participated on occasion. There were debates that resulted in at least one scientific paper being written (by a skeptical electrochemist, by the way). If the mainspace page was not neutral, no skeptic had attempted to make it so. I previously showed how major and deep disputes could be resolved, but I actually abandoned that resource, leaving it for others, and had not made more than trivial edits for some years.

This was obviously not an “article.” But Wikiversity was “neutral by inclusion,” not by exclusion, like Wikipedia. (This is much closer to academic neutrality.) That has been demolished by Michael Umbricht, whereas other attempts to attack the inclusive neutrality of Wikiversity had long failed. There was a documentation project in my user space that had been proposed for deletion. Community consensus was to keep it. Umbricht unilaterally deleted it. After he’d done all this damage, he then disappeared again. This would be the most “reputable” administrator to complain, probably. The other would be JzG, who was highly involved in dispute with me on Wikipedia, and who blamed me for the poor condition of the WP cold fusion article, though I had been a very conservative editor on it (and that was before I actually studied the field and published in a scientific journal on it). JzG was still grumbling years later, because I had taken him to the Arbitration Committee and prevailed. That’s wiki-suicide for most non-admins. Long story, again.

The cold fusion resource had this at the top:

Welcome to the Cold Fusion learning project. The Wikipedia article on cold fusion is here (link).

These resources and seminars may present personal opinions of the writer(s). As the resources mature, controversial statements should be clarified and sourced, and any contrary opinions presented. Opinions expressed as original research, and not as a general consensus, should be attributed. Please help make this top-level resource neutral.

It was claimed that the resource was such a mess that it would be too difficult to clean up. That would be a claim that would show no understanding of how consensus would be reached on Wikiversity. If a good-faith editor showed up and blanked everything in the resource that didn’t look neutral, there would have been no edit warring. Rather, “neutrality by inclusion” does not require agreement on an unattributed page, rather, the page will be stripped to what there is agreement on, and it could have been as little as that introduction at the top. And then the resource would have links to subpages. As one option that was tried (and it worked spectacularly), “sections” would be created. These have a named and responsible section leader, who would (by tradition) have the right to supervise content on his or her pages. Here is an example of where that was done with a highly controversial subject: Landmark Education. That is, in fact, the most important work I did on Wikiversity. Until now, not noticed by the Smith brothers. It will be interesting to see if they now go after it.

Continuing the comment by “Wikipedia astronomer”:

Abd Lomax has been running around the internet for a year claiming that a group of “brothers” were responsible for his ban. It’s all nonsense. His account was banned by the WMF Office, not anyone else. The Wikimedia Foundation have globally banned less than 50 people out of millions and millions of users. Yes they ban many but rarely ever globally ban.

This is deliberately deceptive. First of all, the “brothers” claim was not mine, originally. I had only come to the conclusion that it was correct shortly before this time. Yes, the account was “Office-banned,” but these bans are not explained, and they have banned, for example, critics of the Foundation, or a journalist who had no account (Jake Christie). Office bans are relatively new. I was familiar with them before being banned, pointed out the hazard, and saw them as a slippery slope, that would, for the first time, expose the WMF to legal jeopardy. They attempt to run them in a way to avoid that, but … this has never been tested. Perhaps it will be. There would have been other ways to protect the project without those risks. But oligarchs (often considering themselves simply public servants) almost always opt for the most direct power and freedom from oversight.

This means Lomax did something very very wrong.

What did Jake Christie do wrong?

The WMF office is not allowed to give any details but to those who were online the day he was banned, we all know what he did.

And then he straight-out lied. He was “online the day [Abd] was banned.” Who is he? I think it’s obvious. He’s Darryl.

He created fake accounts of people on Wikipedia then “framed” certain users of this on his personal website, including posting personal information about where these people live.

I created no “fake accounts” on Wikipedia, but someone did. What I actually did was to identify the fake accounts and request steward checkuser, which confirmed the suspicion, and who was behind those accounts? It’s again obvious: a long-time attacker of parapsychology and of any user who interferes with his agenda. One of the accounts with substantial edits would be Goblin face, discovered accidentally by Wikipedia checkuser. The “brother” story originated with one of the early Anglo Pyramidologist accounts. Oliver confirmed it in many places, then claimed he’d been lying, then retracted that. However, there are clearly two personalities involved. There are claims that Oliver is schizophrenic, and so there might be a multiple personality. I doubt it.

Any time someone edits by IP, information about where they live can be created, and the Smith brothers often failed to take steps to prevent this (less and less, recently. If I receive a harassing comment here, it’s normally coming from a Tor node.) In theory, WMF checkusers are not supposed to connect IPs with accounts, but it happens all the time. Yes, I published information available on the internet with the family composition, but I also redacted this quickly. It’s still up in other places. Quickly, it was just the names of the two brothers and their ages and the town they live in. Everything else was redacted. I did ask a former WMF board member about this.

There are two aspects to this: one is that Wikipedia criticism sites often out Wikipedia users, it’s almost routine. I have always taken down extremely personal information, if I ever post it. These brothers have done far more, actually, with the families of their targets, the mother of one critic was actually fired from her job based on harassing email, and the mother of another was doxxed, even though he wasn’t living with her, in a clear attempt to harass through family. Simply showing a listing with names isn’t harassment, unless presented in such a way as to invite attacks (which was precisely the case in the second doxxing mentioned.)

As of 22/12/2018 he is still doing this. He has faced several libel suits, he has been forced to remove things from his website, but he still continues to go after these “brothers”. He says he “100%” knows it is them, but when you look at his evidence it is non-existent.

I have never been sued for libel. It has never been threatened. I have never been “forced” to remove things from my web site, except for one copy of copyrighted material, subject of a DMCA claim. That’s routine.

There is a contradiction here: there is “evidence” to look at, but it is “non-existent.” Which is it? Evidence can be misleading, the Smith brothers are experts at finding it, but “non-existent” is the common argument of pseudoskeptics: “There is no evidence for X,” they will say, when It is totally obvious that there is evidence. They commonly confuse “evidence” with “proof,” and then deny evidence that is even strong enough to hold up in court. “100% knows” is a reference to what I just found. Nobody, as far as I know, ever looked that this evidence before. What is the “non-existent” evidence? I haven’t stated the evidence that created certainty for me, so how would he “look at” it?

When users are blocked on Wikipedia for sock puppetry, the common remark is “See contributions for evidence.” Okay, I claim that Skeptic from Britain (and see Commons and Wikidata.) is Debunking spiritualism (Rationalwiki), see contributions for evidence. DS (notice the initials) is not ODS, who was rather openly Oliver D. Smith. ODS and other ODS socks, often self-acknowledged, have outed DLS socks. DS is Darryl Smith, behaviorally (as is SFB). Behavior is called the “duck test” on Wikipedia.

It’s a lot of work to document the duck test. They usually don’t bother on Wikipedia. Any admin who disagrees can unblock, and then it might be discussed. But the “100% certainty” is not the duck test. It does not depend on, say, point-of-view or other content issues. I’m not revealing how the data is studied, not yet, but he might figure it out, and his first reaction is going to be “Oh, shit!” because he cannot go back and hide. And it would be very difficult to hide for the future, without seriously cramping his style.

His account on meta-wiki that shows it is globally locked.


Which is obvious.

WMFOffice banned and locked his account on every wiki on the internet, this is exremely rare and only happens in serious situations of abuse.

This is far from “every wiki on the internet, and the lock is only of the global account, that’s one account, and we know that the WMF bans even when there is no account to lock, they just declare it, and in the Jake Christie case, J. Alexander then personally attempted to eject Mr. Christie from a WMF-sponsored event held in a public place where Christie lives, based on the declared ban. He invited them to call the police…. they didn’t. And he was not being disruptive there, nor is there any evidence as far as I have seen that he was ever disruptive. He was investigating, as a journalist. That’s it. They do what they can to silence criticism, and the claim that the global locks are only used to prevent policy violations is completely bogus.

This is interesting: Jalexander-WMF is globally locked. What was the serious offense?  This WMF account lock was unnecessary, unless it was abused. The abuse would be prevented by removing the tools that could be abused, which had been done. The global lock, however, not only prevents the user’s access to email through the system, it also prevents anyone from emailing them through the system. The global lock tool has long been known as a primitive hack. It simply disallows log-in, so the user then cannot see, for example, their own watchlist. The global lock tool has been abused on occasion by stewards. In fact, I documented that at one point, simply studying the previous 5000 global locks (a little over three months). The study was neutral and made no accusations. What do you think the stewards did?

If you know how stewards operate, lucky guess. Oversighted, by the other Italian steward, a friend of the only steward who had made possibly abusive locks (as many as 5 out of 5000, most locks were routine, for spammers, and often with no edits, which revealed that stewards look at login.wiki). Not even admins could see that list and study, only stewards. There was no explanation that made any sense. It was simply a list sorting information in the public global lock log. It did not out anyone nor accuse anyone of misbehavior. It simple looked at what stewards were actually doing.

Wiki theory is that the community can watch and act to correct abusive administration. That was an idea that was never given teeth on WMF wikis.

I was told that if I appealed the action, I’d be blocked. I pointed to it on the meta community discussion page. Nobody cared. And that’s how the wikis go south. Nobody cares enough to look at how they are being administered. And if someone pointed out a problem in the steward re-election process, I saw them threatened with blocks. The system is corrupt, and it’s obvious, and this could be expected to happen, given the structures that were set up. The system could be fixed, but only if the community wakes up, and it would much rather sleep, usually. Unless someone attacks their porn.

(That’s a hilarious story, where Jimbo Wales used his Founder tools to start deleting porn from Commons. Using Founder tools to interfere with Wikiversity academic freedom had caused a meta Request for Comment to be opened, but it had little participation and the vote was running something like “Stop Wales”:”Close Wikiversity”, 1:2.

When Wales then used his tools on Commons, to delete porn, the vote reversed dramatically, with high participation, and Wales caved and surrendered the most intrusive tools, and kept only oversight, because the tool is primitive and the abilities to see oversighted edits (he considered essential, and I agree), and to hide edits, could not be separated.)

There is a substantial segment of the WMF community, and even more the administrative community, that hates academic freedom. It’s long-term obvious.

Meanwhile, Office bans are generally implemented with WMFOffice and what is linked there is the global account log, showing almost 3800 actions. Now, many of those actions are on socks. There is one action for Abd. No socks. (But I had a few declared socks, and a few more undeclared that would be very difficult to find now, I never socked abusively.) I see 26 actions with the tag “WMF global ban.” I see 2923 changes with “banned user” in the summary, which would be sock locks. For example, there was a long-term Wikipedia critic, Thekohser, Jimbo had attempted to ban him and failed, and he was eventually office-banned. I know Greg Kohs, and his offense was being a paid editor, as well as pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. While paid editing does violate the TOS, if not disclosed, it certainly did not require an office action, because “paid editing” is a neutrality and content issue, not a safety issue. I see 9 actions for names including “kohs”.  When office-banned, he clearly created some socks, they are obvious from the names. (Socks named like that, if actually the person named, are not truly disruptive, and not a safety issue. Unless they are impersonations.)

It is possible that the global ban was based on his off-wiki activities, but this is remarkable: if someone is actually harassing users off-wiki, will globally banning the person actually protect the alleged victim? No, it would only prevent on-wiki harassment. More likely, it could sufficiently piss off the banned user enough to cause them to increase the harassment.

It is possible that the threat of a global ban could cause a user to refrain from “off-wiki harassment,” but (1) there is no warning and no definition of what is allowed and what is not (2) there is no appeal procedure, global ban decisions are “final,” and email and even legal notices sent registered are ignored. So there is no possibility of a negotiated settlement that could include removal of alleged off-wiki harassment, or correction of it.

This is done, as it is done, because it seems easy, not because it is effective. Greg Kohs easily could continue his work as a paid editor. I have been a paid Wikipedia editor, at $50 per hour, after I was banned there. This did not violate any policy, because I did not edit anything related to what I was paid to do. (or much of anything at all, I documented what I did on Wikiversity, it was deleted by the admin who blocked me there. But here it is.

I created wikitext for sourcing an article for a business, as one example. As another, I advised a blocked notable person how they could be unblocked, and provided wikitext to the person, who put it on their user talk page and was very predictably unblocked.

Greg Kohs, globally banned, has no incentive at all to refrain from actual paid editing, which is more efficient from the customer point of view. He will simply create hidden accounts. With the first issued global ban (decided by the community), I argued that applying a global ban would actually make the wikis less safe from the user, not more safe, because he was only editing one wiki at that point (Wikiversity), doing good work there, and this would provide a steady flow of IP information for checkusers to look at in case he tried to edit other WMF wikis. The practical argument was ignored in favor of punishment, which was the obvious real purpose. This guy had embarrassed some bureaucrats and others.

So, the predictable result: He did create a sock account, and became a Wikiversity administrator (this is easy to do on the wikis if one has a little patience and knows how the wikis operate), and was nominated for bureaucrat, and was about to be approved, when someone, somehow, figured out who he was and outed him. This, by the way, was real-life outing, and he’d been harassed at work by wiki enemies, who were not sanctioned at all for it. For all I know, he might have done it again. Ham-handed administration fails, easily, it can create endless work that creates no improvement of the projects.

Russavia was office-banned, and that was very unpopular on Commons. I don’t know if he is still doing it, but he might as well have been following “a sock a day keeps the blues away.” He continued his very popular work, only now the Office was spending paid time watching for socks. A Wikiversity checkuser took it on as a personal task to enforce the ban, and ran into massive disapproval and the ultimate followup from that was that he lost his tools, and was, in fact, eventually Office-banned himself. (INeverCry).

The WMF is not terribly sophisticated. The original idea (content and user behavior issues left to the community) was far better than what they eventually fell into. Instead of working to support more efficient and effective community consensus process, including procedures for privacy protection, and continuing to leave content and user decisions to the community, they went in the direction of direct control, which, they will find, I predict, opens up many legal cans of worms. Direct control with no appeal is toxic, but because it only affects a few users, there is little protest. After all, “I didn’t like that editor anyway.” And that is how societies devolve into tyrannies. “They came for the Jews and I wasn’t a Jew ….” is famous. 

As Lomax has a history of doxxing people and libel suits, you should probably remove mention of the real life names that he mentions without proof of owning the SKB account.

That’s up to the blog owner. However, I have no history of libel suits. I have never sued for libel or been sued for it. I have called a spade a spade on the blog. The argument would apply even more to mention of XXX, who was completely innocent, there are no credible assertions as to his identity except for obvious trolls (or someone repeating what a troll has written elsewhere, same problem, really.) However, I’m a real person, widely known, and the comments were attributed to me. If the blog owner allows open comment, then I would be responsible, not him. There is a procedure for takedown notices. It does not involve trusting anonymous users.

What the Smith brothers do is to attack others, real persons, generally by real name, while hiding behind their own anonymity. In this case, I have definitive evidence, strong enough to place before a jury if needed, that SFB was Darryl L. Smith, which then completely exonerates XXX. I have an obligation to communicate that knowledge. If I’m wrong, well, correction is always possible in comments here or there, but correction from anonymous users, replete with lies and claims of lying is not adequate. I will look at any evidence presented. What I have seen, instead, is actual and real-life harassment, obvious, and some of it legally actionable.

He has a vendetta to spread misinformation.

No actual misinformation has been pointed to, only conclusions that they claim are unproven. The cries of “lies” started when I first started simply listing AP socks, based on clear evidence and checkuser findings and Wikipedia decisions (which can certainly be in error, but they are still evidence). It was called “lies,” but when I asked for specific corrections, the requests were ignored.

I’m a journalist. My job is collecting and organizing and presenting information. If any of it is misinformation, that’s a career disaster! But everyone makes mistakes, so what a journalist will do is to invite and allow correction (or even alleged correction.) So they imagine that I hate them and that’s why I’m doing this. No, I’m simply telling the truth about what I have seen, and, in addition, what I have concluded. What I have seen is evidence, and my testimony regarding it is also evidence. My conclusions are not evidence, except if I am accepted as an expert by whomever is making decisions.

(Common law principle, and often statutory as well: Testimony is presumed true unless controverted. Testimony in that case is never anonymous, nor could controversion be anonymous. There must be a real person behind it. Anonymous testimony can be presented in court only with the consent of a judge, who will know who is behind it, and, generally, counsel for the parties will know. It is disliked and there would need to be a strong reason. Juries and judges want to see the person when they testify.)

There is not a shred of proof a group of brothers own the SKB account. He will no doubt turn up here and write thousands and thousands of words about it and try and mislead readers with false flags. He has been banned from practically every blog, forum and wiki on the internet in relation to these matters. Don’t fall for it.

They repeat that over and over. I have participated in hundreds of forums and wikis, and have been banned from few, and as to recent bans, mostly connected with the Smith brothers or the faction that one of them works for. Notice that “every” is a very strong claim. The evidence is? I am most active, in recent years, besides on my own blog, on Quora. Not banned there. Over four million page views and 1900 followers. Oliver D. Smith has a Quora account (they require real names and are totally intolerant of incivility). He’s behaved himself there, so far, and he has  9600 page views and 14 followers. I knew that his email address was authentic when he wrote me because he has published that address in a number of places, and the photo on Quora matches others.

I had activity on over a hundred WMF wikis, significant activity on 10. I had, when banned, over 36,000 global edits. I was not shy about getting involved with controversial topics. I confronted abuse, especially administrative abuse, and often successfully. I resolved and prevented disputes from boiling over, at leaswt

Anyone who is a whistle-blower will see blowback, it goes with the territory. I was banned only on one wiki, the English Wikipedia, and that’s a long story by itself. I’m proud of what I accomplished there, but abandoned the project (I was no longer editing at all when actually banned). I was not banned on any other wiki. I was, at the end, blocked only on Wikiversity, by the unilateral action of a single administrator (Umbrecht) and there was no community consensus for ban (and Wikiversity policy required such a consensus even to maintain a block, though what I saw was that, increasingly, the policy was dead and admins could do whatever they pleased. So I had also almost entirely abandoned Wikiversity editing and only became involved to protect a user who had been impersonated and attacked, and to defend the academic freedom of Wikiversity. I knew it was dangerous, and also that the effort could fail, precisely because of what happened. I can provide links as evidence for all the factual assertions here, but this is already getting way too long.

The faction that has supported the Smith brothers (possibly not realizing what they are doing) hates academic freedom, and also neutrality policy. They are occasionally explicit about this. They had long attacked Wikiversity, and, previously, were unsuccessful, often due to my intervention. However, where I really failed was in not inspiring the community to create protective processes and to build in watchdog roles. The software actually allows it, but the user functions are generally not enabled. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

There are something like 800 WMF wikis. I am not banned on those wikis, except for one, enwiki. Rather, my account is globally locked and a ban was declared by the WMF. At one time, local wikis had discretion to ignore global bans, any local bureaucrat could detach an account. That changed, the ability of local admins to bypass a global ban was taken away with the establishment of Single User Log-in, and I pointed that out. Basically, nobody cared. What was a reality, though difficult to maintain, was destroyed with hardly a notice. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. If we don’t protect it, it walks away — or is stolen.

There is a Wikipedia list of 100 notable wikis. As wikis define bans, I am banned on only one: the English Wikipedia. I am blocked on two more: Wikiversity and Rationalwiki. That’s it. In addition to those wikis, I have accounts on about 12 of those notable wikis, not blocked. (|This includes a few WMF wikis where there was no block).

Wikiindex lists something over 2,100 wikis. I’m only banned through normal process on one (many years ago) blocked on two more, (Wikiversity and RationalWiki) and then globally locked by the WikiMedia Foundation Office. That’s definitely not the same as being banned on many wikis,which would require, one would think, misbehavior on many wikis. Or at least wiki administration that thinks so.

In addition, I have participated in many fora over the years, going back to the W.E.L.L. in the 1980s,where I was a moderator. I am banned on lenr-forum.com, that’s the only one. This latter is a bit ironic. I am not banned on e-catworld.com, where I am very well known as a critic of the claims of Andrea Rossi, “inventor” of the “e-cat,” allegedly a “cold fusion” device, but am banned on lenr-forum, where I was, at the time of the ban, probably the most popular user. How did that happen? It’s the same old same old, I pointed out that a moderator was deleting posts with no notice or warning and without providing any way to recover the content, and declared that I was not going to post there unless this was addressed, because unexpected deletion is a problem for a serious writer. So I was banned. With no explanation, and protests from the community were ignored. This happens all over. My position is that the site owner has the right to do whatever the F he or she pleases, though there can be some moral issues.

The Smith brothers lie about me as they have lied about many people. One difference is that I use the lies to expose them, to fight lying, not with yelling and blame, but simply with the truth. They clearly hate that.

Their support has been evaporating, that can be seen in the Skeptic from Britain sequence, if one knows where to look, and on RationalWiki, where users have been getting tired of being used as a platform for personal vendettas, weaponizing Google (i.e., what they accuse me of, but what they have been doing for many years, long before I was involved.)


Darryl L. Smith had been, as far as I could see, inactive on RationalWiki since May. (Though his brother was active). In hindsight, I can see that he turned his focus to Wikipedia, as Skeptic from Britain. Now that Skeptic from Britain is out of the picture, I was watching to see signs of him on RationalWiki. Today, I found them (I only check periodically, it is like inspecting a sewer. Tough job, but someone has to do it.)

John66. Registered 19:52, 22 November 2018. Apparently, Skeptic from Britain was preparing to shut down Wikipedia activity. Articles edited or created (N): (updated 11/10/2019)

Warning: the common RationalWiki user is a so-called “rational skeptic,” and may edit with a showing of views similar to Darryl L. Smith. That, in itself, is not evidence of being this highly disruptive troll/sock master. I do not recommend that people not familiar with RationalWiki attempt to attack the articles or users, on-wiki or even off. AP socks use this and will even create sock puppets that will repeat the arguments. If a critic allows their real identity to be revealed, they will up the game with real-world harassment, I have seen all this reviewing history, but particularly in the last year, when I became involved. If anyone wants to consider action, please create an email connection with me. Leaving an anonymous comment here with a real email address, requesting an email, will do that. Trolls will be sprinkled with parmesan cheese and broiled.

I am careful about identifying socks, and maintain a distinction between mere suspicion (usually based on point of view and interest in specific topics) and stronger evidence. When I was merely pointing to obvious suspicion, from WikiMedia Foundation checkuser reports about impersonation socking to defame, I was warned and threatened, which was a clue to me that I was touching a nerve, that this was bigger than some transient tomfoolery. This was amply confirmed!

I have already seen enough to be quite sure that “John66” is “Skeptic from Britain” and that they are both Darryl L. Smith. I will be looking at further evidence that takes some time to examine. I have already used this kind of evidence to clarify the original identification of SfB, and to confirm my opinion that Bongolian (the RW sysop who has no given John66 sysop privileges) is not the same user.

Something like 1% of registered RationalWiki users may be Smith brothers. That’s quite a large number, but it is normally only a very few at a time, but continued over the years. Most of the socks, as with most AP socks on Wikipedia, only show a few edits. Here is an example that turned up from looking at John66, from history for Courtney_Brown:

Brian_Gene_Kelley, only three edits in 2013, two on that article, one on Rome Viharo, a red flag.

I have edit timing studies of other DLS socks in 2013, I will see how this fits. The behavioral pattern is quite common and not usual, ordinary new user behavior: the user appears immediately creating entire articles, on a narrow range of topics. That is very popular on RationalWiki, and someone who does this in line with the site point-of-view will quickly be given sysop privileges, I’ve seen it over and over again for Smith socks. They know how to do it.

These are anonymous trolls who hide their identity in order to attack real people. I did not get involved because I agreed with their targets, but because they used lies, deception, and impersonations to attack others, which harms everyone. For blowing the whistle, I was threatened and attacked, in many ways. It’s just history.

In my training, “If they are not shooting at you, you are not doing anything worth wasting bullets on.”

The focus of Darryl on “diet woo” is recent, but reasonably consistent. After spending the day looking at the data, my confidence has increased.

  • This is not a vegan plot, nor is it funded by big pharma. This is Darryl L. Smith pandering to where his bread is buttered, the “skeptical” movement, debunkers, aligned with the Amazing Randi and friends. A much milder incarnation of this movement is Tim Farley., whose connection with Darryl Smith has been claimed but is not clear, and if there has been a connection, that Farley knows what Darryl does is even more unclear. Tim Farley’s web site is a collection of anecdotes where people believed in or were deluded by or defrauded by this or that “woo,” and died or suffered losses of some kind. No comparison is made with following “conventional wisdom,” or the “standard of practice” which can also be fatal. The skeptical movement, unfortunately, does not actually educate in critical thinking, the real thing, but rather the site is utterly unscientific, even though many of the ideas covered are often thoroughly wiggy. It is obvious that defective ideas and thinking can kill us, including the ideas that if I do whatever a doctor tells me, I’m safe, and if my doctor follows the standard of practice uncritically, he’s a skilled physician and I should trust him. The standard of practice is not necessarily and truly “evidence-based.” There is science behind much of it, but  not all of it, and the exceptions can be killers.
  • The Malcolm Kendrick article was not deleted because of Skeptic from Britain’s arguments. His claims of “quackery” and the like were irrelevant. The issue was the normal one for biographies that are deleted: a lack of reliable secondary sources. This has almost nothing to do with how well known Kendrick is in certain circles. His popularity has not yet resulted in adequate secondary sources about him. It will, I predict, and then the article could be re-created. That process will be faster if it is not recreated out-of-process, and if unskilled attempts are not made.
  • There are certain people allied with the skeptical movement and Wikipedia faction who use impersonation and other highly unethical (and sometimes illegal) tactics to promote the movement. These do not use critical thinking, they use and promote knee-jerk response to dog whistles. “Critical thinking”, properly understood, looks at balance and does not uncritically accept the mainstream, it only uses reactive thinking to identify what is “wrong” with fringe ideas.
  • Skeptic from Britain is the same user as Debunking spiritualism, Goblin Face and many identified socks, and most recently John66. (The objective evidence on the last account is weaker, because there are not yet as many edits overlapping in time, but there are enough to show consistency, and the duck test — which could be documented — is strong. Skeptic from Britain lied about his intentions, and lied in order to use his alleged departure from Wikipedia to attack an innocent user who had criticized him. That is a classic Darryl Smith behavior. Research is continuing on the set of socks, but overlap of DS and SfB is clear. It takes time to do edit correlation studies. I’m learning, so it gets easier.
  • Wikipedia is vulnerable to factional manipulation. This is not a simple problem, given the Wikipedia systems and structures that developed and became highly resistant to reform. The problem is not the policies (which can seem counter-intuitive to those who don’t understand them). The problem is enforcement of the policies, and this problem is as old as Wikipedia. Solutions are possible but the will to implement them has never existed.

One final point.

Historically, Darryl Smith and his twin brother Oliver were confused on Wikipedia, and defacto-banned under the user name Anglo Pyramidologist. The identification of Oliver D. Smith is definitive. The real Oliver Smith has many times admitted his identity. He has a known public email account, and I and others have received email from that account, responded, and he responded back. This rises to the level of proof. However, he also lied in those mails, changing his story radically as conditions changed. On Wikipedia, they did not care which brother was which account, and the accounts were linked because (according to one of them) they were both visiting their parents when editing Wikipedia. That story was consider the usual “evil twin” excuse and was ignored, but behaviorally, there was always the appearance of two users, with distinct interests and habits.

The existence of a twin brother (probably) was established from a public record for the family, showing the two brothers the same age. Oliver D. Smith has shown a strong interest in Atlantis, and wrote a paper on the topic accepted at a peer-reviewed journal. This interest has all contributed to his positive identification. However, positive identification for Darryl L. Smith, the twin, is not so easily available. Most of my opinion on this is from comments made by Oliver, who, when Darryl was outed, defended his “brother” or his “family.” (And in the emails, he, attempting to deflect blame from himself, he claimed that most of the socking had been his brother. From what I’m seeing, that was a gross exaggeration, as to certain kinds of socking.) It is Darryl, with his interest in debunking the paranormal or fringe, who created impersonation accounts and later, when I documented this, organized a quite visible campaign to privately arrange my global ban on Wikipedia.

There is another brother, older. I have seen no trace of this brother. However, in the cloud of confusion that has been created, it is possible that individual accounts might be incorrectly identified with one of the AP brothers. This is implausible with accounts where long-term behavior is visible.

Darryl claimed that he had other accounts in good standing on Wikipedia. That could be true, and it would simply indicate that he learned to use evasive techniques, to avoid checkuser identification, and partitioned his interests to avoid suspicion. I found one account that I suspected might be such a “good hand” account. When I did an edit timing study, my conclusion was, no, this was not Darryl. If anyone suspects other accounts that are or were active on Wikipedia, that have not already been identified, please let me know by establishing email connection. (which can be done by any comment here, and anonymity will be protected; however, don’t lie. All protections disappear for those who lie. Don’t worry, I know the difference between error and lying.)

(If someone names a plausible sock in a comment here, I will also investigate, at least briefly. I will respond as the situation warrants. Too many people have already been wrongly accused, such as the user attacked as being SfB based on the knee-jerk assumption that SfB would be telling the truth! (And then, that this user was allegedly vegan — it was false — led to claims that Malcolm Kendrick had been attacked by fanatic vegans! That’s a common Wikipedia error, when an impersonation sock says, “I’m BannedUser,” they believe him. That’s not an immediate problem because the response is to block that user, but when, then, there is retaliatory action on another wiki, based on this, harm has been done. That is what happened, and that is how I got involved. These tactics are repeated because they work, and so much for “critical thinking.”)

I have also done one major control study, Bongolian. This is an established RW user with advanced privileges . One look at his contribution history shows immediately, this is not Oliver or Darryl!!! (I have never suspected him of being anything more than an “enabler.”) The level of sophistication that would be required to create the appearance of being distinct would be phenomenal! It would be far, far too much work to be practical.

The comparison between Bongolian and Skeptic from Britain shows that these users are independent, with a very high level of certainty, and it anecdotally confirms the methods I am using.

List of comment socks and timeline

(and possible “meat puppets — if one carelessly repeats as if fact what is from a puppet master, one risks being called a “meat puppet,” one of those charming Wikipedian terms.) (MK is Kendrick’s blog, FH, Naughton’s)

    • MK Stephen Rhodes December 4, 2018 at 5:12 pm provided misleading information, not “first post by [SfB]”, but an essay by JzG, a factional admin. There is a post here about the source of that phrase, “Lunatic Charlatans.”
    • MK Stephen Rhodes  December 4, 2018 at 5:17 pm points to User page for SfB, edit of March 7, 2018. SfB added a userbox created by JzG. This was a notice of factional affiliation, nothing more (or less). That is linked from 59 pages. 
    • FH james    (deleted) Fathead blog appearance of false claim of identity for SfB. No evidence was given.
    • FH Wikipedia editor December 14, 2018 at 9:59 pm
    • MK Stephen Rhodes December 15, 2018 at 7:52 pm repeats the false claim from james.
    • MK Alex Davis  December 18, 2018 at 2:52 pm
    • December 14, 2018 MrStrong (Oliver Smith) hints, to Michaeldsuarez, that Skeptic from Britain is his brother (Darryl), then effectively admits it.
    • December 15, 2018, Skeptic from Britain has his name changed to MatthewManchester1994. He had previously claimed to be from Manchester. This was very likely a lie. He also claimed an interest in biology, and one of his former sock names was Skeptical biologist.
    • December 17, 2018 MrStrong claims Rome Viharo is Skeptic from Britain .
    • December 19, 2019 MrStrong claims I (Abd) am Skeptic from Britain (MatthewManchester1994) (and a host of other accounts well-known to be him or his brother.)
    • (Setting aside Michaeldsuarez — to whom Oliver admitted SfB identity — Rome Viharo and I would be the most likely people on the planet to recognize the work of Darryl Smith.)
    • FH Low-Carb Man  December 19, 2018 at 4:57 pm (that name blocked on Wikipedia as sock of Amanda ZZ, all very suspicious. Repeats the story of “XXX” being Skeptic from Britain, ascribing cause to “outing”. In fact, that alleged outing was almost certainly Skeptic from Britain planting a red herring to cause disruption. Darryl does that. Oliver might do it too.
    • December 20, 2018 MrStrong threatens to expose me to the people upset with Skeptic from Britain, on my user talk page, guaranteeing it would get my attention. So I investigated and published this page, December 21, 2018. I did not know about the conversation with Michaeldsuarez until more recently. All is not well between the brothers, if Oliver was not simply lying again. His story about RationalWiki , told to Suarez, checks out, and he predicted the articles appearing there (under John66).
    • December 20, 2018, MatthewManchester1994 puts up “farewell,” claims real-name outing (which would validate it, if it had happened, SfB was obviously an experienced user and would realize that announcing that you have been outed is inviting everyone to look for it and believe it), and then changes his name again.
    • MK Wikipedia Astronomer  repeats standard Smith story about me.

Jimbo Wales commented on Skeptic from Britain in a !vote on a deletion request SfB had submitted. My emphasis:

Strong keep – As others have noted, WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason for deletion. It is worth noting that the proposer is a serial namechanger and POV pusher who has now apparently left the project. A quick research of the film reveals that in addition to the sources that User:Strikerforce rightly says are enough to ‘barely’ pass notability, I found an article at Motley Fool and this one at Vulture. It is not a major film to be sure, but there seems to be no reason for deletion other than the POV pushing of the proposer. In the original deletion way back in 2009, the proposer wrote, correctly “This movie may eventually garner enough coverage to warrant an article here, but as wikipedia is not a crystal ball, it’s a too early for an article now.” I would suggest that it is no longer too early. [Addendum: this review is now beyind a paywall. It is from BoxOffice (magazine), a clearly reliable source.]–Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:54, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Wales probably is not aware that this “POV pusher” has long been blocked, he is a sock of Goblin Face, who is one of the Anglo Pyramidologist brothers, most sock investigations are under the latter name. When he “retired” from Wikipedia, he took up on RationalWiki with the same agenda.

Wales also is unlikely to realize that this activist is affiliated with a faction, and claimed to have been paid to edit Wikipedia by a “major skeptical organization.” If Skeptic from Britain was such a major POV-pusher, why had he escaped notice? In fact, his POV fits in with that of a faction I confronted long ago. They are “debunkers,” and have strong opinions, they have explicitly rejected Neutral Point of View, but advocate what they have called “Scientific Point of View,” but that is an oxymoron.

Authentic Darryl Smith on himself

A kind reader supplied me with a link to an archive of deleted material on the Smiths. This was from late 2016, long before I had any awareness of the Smith brothers (and only a dim awareness of one of the Wikipedia socks of Darryl L. Smith, Goblin Face).

The material is exactly what I’d expect from Darryl, in an unguarded moment. It confirms my own conclusions from research. I can imagine that someone familiar with this research, by myself and others, could write such a thing, but it would be a piece of work, and why would it be done? (though the only persons likely to have that knowledge could not have done it in 2016). If this was impersonation, as Oliver claims, it is by far the most skillful impersonation I’ve ever encountered. No, I consider this clearly Darryl, the arguments would be his, and the facts rarely known. At that point, there was substantial skepticism that there were actually two brothers. Later, Oliver played on this by claiming that it was all him, but this was blatantly deceptive, probably attempting to protect his brother (and requiring that very much he had written before was lying, not merely false).

The only way that the brothers could have covered up the deception would have been to, using technical terms, “effing shut up and effing stay shut up.” They did not, and defamation and, yes, illegal activity, still continues.

The material: Talk:Oliver D. Smith/Connecting the dots, edit of  18:27, 27 November 2016 (to deleted page, by Iambic,  Oliver D. Smith, replying to Lulzkiller, who rejected the post by Skeptic, Darryl L. Smith). What “Skeptic” had written:

Request to delete this page please read

What Oliver has said about the brothers is true. I have not appeared anywhere in relation to this anywhere until now so I will only type one message here, please read this.
Oliver has written a lot. What Oliver had written was, at least sometimes, true, but misleading. That is, it was not the whole truth. Because of the Wikipedia history, and other events, the brothers had become confused, and it appears that this confusion was encouraged. So, then, Oliver could claim “I was not that account,” and it could be completely true. But if he knows that it was his brother, and he would often know that it was not the whole truth, and Oliver often frames the possibly false statements of others as “lies.” Which would be a lie! He would know that there was some truth to them, and that the writer was merely confused.
Skeptic, by the way, would be a standard Darryl L. Smith sock name. Many of his names have “Skeptic” in them. An impersonator might also use Skeptic, to be sure, but no impersonator exists who could have written, in 2016, what Skeptic here so clearly expresses. I have other “semi-open” writings from Darryl, and the style and sense is identical.


I understand that Oliver for the last 3 years has had a personal internet battle with a guy called mikemikev. JuniusThaddeus seems to have got involved in this as well and it has been going on for years now.
Pretty much all the accounts listed by JuniusThaddeus are accurate.
Nice. Later, Darryl and Oliver dismiss, on RationalWiki, documentation on this, as the “paranoid Smith brothers conspiracy theory.”


I am not denying they belong to us, I only own the skeptic accounts on wikipedia and rationalwiki, it’s pretty easy to see which ones are mine, the ones debunking spiritualism, fraudulent mediums, alternative medicine, pseudoscience, quacks etc.


Notice that, later, he actually created a RatWiki account, “Debunking spiritualism,” that was made sysop. This account was obviously Darryl. It went out in a blaze of attempts to delete embarrassing material, and then retired and then a new account was creating that the account had been hacked. This is extremely unlikely, it is merely that the account revealed too much, including about the “family,” clearly identifying himself as Oliver’s brother — as Oliver had previously referred to him on RatWiki. Darryl decided to bail, and the new account and Oliver blamed it on . . . me, and the RatWikians appear to have believed that.
One thing the Smiths have been very good at is demonstrating how idiotic a wiki community can be.


The reason Oliver denied owning the skeptic accounts is because they belong to me. He doesn’t want the skeptic accounts under his name for some reason. He does not identify as a skeptic.


Right. He uses RatWiki to pursue an antifascist agenda, attacking people who believe as he possibly once believed. He has a number of times stated that he does not agree with the general RatWiki politics. The brothers are similar in that.


A long time ago when I was in my teens I was a believer in paranormal phenomena, even endorsing various silly things like ancient aliens on wikipedia.


Yes, he stated that in a comment on the Wikipedia Anglo Pyramidologist SPI case. (Below, we see evidence that he was a supporter of Larmarkian evolution.


Over the years I started to realise it was all nonsense after I went to university, based on wishful thinking or the result of fraud or self-deception and I became a skeptic. I debunked a lot of people and things on both rationalwiki and wikipedia.


Unfortunately, “debunking” is generally pseudoskeptical. I see no sign that Darryl L. Smith ever developed enough understanding of science to write from a genuine skeptical perspective, and I’ve seen him reject genuine science because it conflicted with his own ignorant concepts.


I regret creating the rationalwiki pages I have to to dislike rationalwiki it is not an academic website or as professional as Wikipedia. But I disagree that they are ‘hit’ pages.


Partially incoherent, possible typo. Some are hit pages, and were created, at least in some cases, as revenge. My article was clearly so, and Darryl had, through a sock puppet, threatened retaliation for my exposing his impersonations of another user. The argument here is exactly what I’d expect from Darryl.


All the criticisms I made of creationists, parapsychologists or of fraudulent spiritualist mediums, ancient astronaut proponents etc were sourced to scientific or skeptic publications.


At this point, he had not encountered my work, and his attacks on me and some others were not of what he describes above. He admits, below, another “criticism” that doesn’t fall into these categories. Yes, he sources his articles, generally. However, sources have often been cherry-picked, because the RatWiki general agenda is snark, not balance. That is standard pseudoskepticism, and would not have led to my involvement. Rather, it was impersonation-to-defame, and, to a lesser extent, long-term sock puppetry and “attack socks,” SPAs or IPs that only edit to attack.


I honestly cannot workout the obsession with my skeptic edits on wikipedia or rationalwiki. What business is it of anyone here? I don’t get it.


The wikis are public and what happens on them is of public interest. What business is it of Darryl that so-and-so is interested in or a believer in, say, parapsychology? Darryl, creating those articles, he calls them “skeptic edits,” scours the internet for dirt, what is popular on RationalWiki, things that make the target look like a crank, and documents them on RW, attacking the person by their real name, and outing any accounts they attempt to use (or that might appear to be used) to correct articles, as well as outing anyone who attempts to intervene (sometimes correctly, sometimes not). And he wonders why people are interested in clarifying the situation?
Some people documenting the Smiths have been heavily attacked by them, some were more neutral. I did not start out because I was attacked, but because someone else was attacked and the academic freedom of Wikiversity was attacked. And that attack became more intense and was supported by some Wikipedians, who happened to be long-term POV pushers there, one of whom was site banned for a couple of years for it. The other was reprimanded by the Arbitration Committee out of . . . his clearly improper actions, and his refusal to correct them when I suggested it. At that point, the whole faction came after me.
RationalWiki took a general, so-called “rational skeptic” position, before Darryl, but it was not dedicated to exposing every crank or fringe believer. It became so, largely because of Darryl’s work. And there is a pattern: Darryl creates an attack article, the target shows up, and eventually realizes that the creator of the article has been creating many such articles through extensive serial socking, and says so. The target is then banned for “doxxing” — even if this is not actually doxxing, i.e., doesn’t mention the RL names. And such bans are often by a Darryl sock.
(But sometimes they do mention “Smith”, and sometimes, even, Smith socks have themselves pointed to the “Smith brothers theory” to ridicule it. The page was not as pretended in the deletion discussion. It was started by MrOrganic, an obvious Smith sock. Which Smith? I am not sure, not yet, but probably Darryl, in which case Darryl was running multiple socks. The article was then attacked by a series of impersonation socks. At that point, I was a RationalWiki sysop, and this mess was used as an excuse to remove the tools without cooping (the normal process, if anything is normal on RW. Attempts had failed years earlier.)  and then to block me. That deletion discussion was either stupid or collusively deceptive.
As well, many impersonation socks appear as vandals and attacking RationalWiki users, pretending to be the target. Meanwhile, Darryl and Oliver retire their accounts and start new ones to continue the same. )


Millions of people edit Wikipedia. I am essentially a nobody. Nothing I have done on the internet is illegal.


He is now notable, by RatWiki standards, except he is protected there. So he is covered elsewhere, such as on Encyclopedia Dramatica or lolocow or other sites. The claim of “nothing illegal” might possibly have been true in 2016. It became untrue in 2017. Impersonation socking to defame is illegal. It is a form of harassment, and is illegal specifically where the Smith brothers live, assuming that they both still live in the U.K.


I may have upset people by debunking their nonsensical beliefs on wiki websites but there is no crime in this. The majority of the stuff I add is sourced, it is not my own opinion.


Material exists in sources, which is then used to create an image, and that image may go far outside what is actually in the sources. Again, this is quite what I would expect from Darryl. By the way, such an agenda would be a violation, not of law, but of Wikipedia policy, as blatant “POV-pushing.” With biographies of living people, it can be an additional violation. However, there is a whole faction on Wikipedia with that agenda, and it has often gotten away with it. In addition, there is an organization more or less dedicated to this, which may be violating policy against off-wiki coordination, and there is substantial evidence that Darryl has been paid to serve that agenda.  Again, that is not illegal in itself, but if people have been defamed by a Smith brother who was funded, the organization and its organizers could become liable for defamation.
The idea that if a statement is sourced, it is therefore true and proper, is insane. You can find sources for almost any position. Sanity (and encyclopedic wiki neutrality) involves considering the full range of sources and balancing them, and on a wiki, ideally, this is done through consensus. But the faction acts, often, to arrange the ban of anyone with contrary opinions, and has developed skill in accomplishing this. RatWiki is practically a parody of it. The same thing happens on Wikipedia, just a bit less obviously.


Oliver holds a minority of fringe academic views and he has got me banned on wikipedia numerous times for causing trouble on there. They then checkuser our location and my accounts come up. There is not much I can do about that.


That’s deceptive. There is a great deal that he could do and could have done. Darryl could have exposed his brother’s activities instead of waiting until he accidentally got caught. Here, he doesn’t state it, but he is claiming that his brother lied when his brother claimed that most of the accounts were his twin brother.


I have not yet done an overall analysis of accounts. Most RatWiki accounts, though, appear to have been Darryl, my rough impression. Especially when the transient attack and impersonation socks are included. I know that Darryl does engage in this massive socking. As well, if someone was impersonating them in doing this, a proactive response would have been to immediately confront it and disavow — and support the targets against whoever was causing the disruption. I have never seen that happen. No, the attack socks are going after people Darryl or Oliver consider as enemies. Darryl on RatWiki has often blocked them, but …. the timing, when I’ve looked, indicates to me that he also created them. He also, as Debunking spiritualism, attributed many attack socks to me, when he would know that they were not me. He was obsessed with me, based on his edits to my article there. He would know exactly what was me and what was, instead, displaying a very different pattern.


I am not very much active on the website anymore, I ran out of things to debunk.


He may have slowed, I have not yet analyzed this. But he became intensely active there, after he attacked Wikiversity and me.


Dan Skeptic, DinoCris were me.


DinoCrisis. That was obvious. That is, Dan Skeptic was an earlier name of GoblinFace, tagged on Wikipedia as an AP sock from checkuser. DinoCrisis was an early RationalWiki account.


As were the other skeptic accounts on Wikipedia. Oliver does not know anything about parapsychology, his interest has always been history, mythology etc.


Right. This was how I have distinguished the accounts, already.


The only controversial thing I have ever done is create a rationalwiki article on Rome Viharo.


Bingo. The above was written in late 2016. Darryl’s anti-parapsychology obsession led him into attacking the Wikiversity resource on parapsychology, and going after the single major active user there, who occasionally socked on Wikipedia, with massive impersonation socking to induce Wikipedians to attack the Wikiversity user and the educational resource the user was working on (a collection of sources). It worked. Wiki users can be effing naive. If a new account says “I am Banned User, I’m showing what idiots you are on Wikiversity, and you can’t do anything about it!” they believe it. It’s one thing to block the account — that would be obvious — but quite another to go after than person, now under his real name, and attack his work as “cross-wiki disruption.” Which is what happened.
As to the Rome Viharo article creator, This could be Dave1234, who created a redirect there, or Debunker, who actually wrote the first article. Both were very likely Darryl, from other contributions. Millenium Scallion? No. It is not difficult to distinguish the socks from ordinary RatWiki users.


He is a troll I came across under my account Dan Skeptic on wikipedia.


And, of course, when Viharo claimed Smith brother involvement, that was cited as proving he was a troll.


Since then Rome Viharo has targeted Oliver who has immaturely done things on various websites and forums to retaliate, even on this website. There is not much we can do about this, but 90% of it is all deleted.


It is quite unlikely that Oliver created the impersonation socks on Wikipedia, targeting a student of parapsychology and his studies on Wikiversity. Steward checkuser also identified the socks that massively attacked my documentation of those impersonations and the Single-purpose accounts that followed, as being all the same user. It is very unlikely that this was accidental IP coincidence, it was extended, and we know that the Smiths often have used open proxies; by this time, late 2017, that became routine.


Oliver no longer is interested in creating blogs or websites about Rome Viharo’s abuse. He wants it all deleted.


Ah, but was that Oliver? Why would Oliver have been interested in Rome Viharo in 2016? Maybe if Rome was starting to document what had happened to him, and believed that Dan Skeptic was Oliver. At that point, there was no information about “Darryl L. Smith,” if I’m correct.


JuniusThaddeus says he wants a photograph. I’m sorry I am not doing that. I am in full time employment, I have a job and am in a relationship. I don’t want my personal details up or name slandered and pictures put up about me. I have the right to remain anonymous on the internet.


By doxxing others, which the Smiths have done, and by their mutual tolerance and failure to stop it, both become responsible and the right to privacy vanishes when it is abused. Obviously, though, Darryl has no obligation to provide photos, nor to identify which brother is which in old photos. These are twin brothers, but I don’t know if they are identical.


We are not blaming anyone here at ED for being our accounts, they belong to us. Oliver has made the mistake of blaming JuniusThaddeus for these accounts because he can’t mention my name so just decided to blame him. He doesn’t want the skeptic stuff under his name. There is not much I can do about it.


That’s a disclaimer of responsibility, when there is much that he could do. Oliver, by the way, has taken a similar position that he is not responsible for what his brother does. That is a shallow and self-serving opinion. We are responsible, in reality, for what we allow in those close to us. If we help them cover up, say, illegal activity, we can be committing a crime ourselves in that.


Oliver in the past has made a lot of mistakes. He regrets joining metapedia. He was associated with the BNP briefly. He used to believe that biological races are real. He no longer holds these positions and since turned the opposite debunking the idea of race.


Yes. (and I have seen evidence for all of this.) However, from my point of view, his fundamental position remained the same. He’s a hater, and simply changed targets.


Oliver does not have schizophrenia, he made that up because he fell out with mikemikev and metapedia so wanted to make them look bad but it back-fired.


Notice the theme, this is repeated. It is claimed that “schizophrenia” was a lie., but, then, it is admitted that it was a lie created by a Smith brother to make others look bad. And then that they repeat what the Smith brother wrote, they are called liars, because it is “false.” I see in Oliver definite signs of deranged behavior, but I have also seen this in Darryl. If it is schizophrenia, which it could be, that tends to run in families and if they are identical twins, it could show up in both, and even if they merely shared their mother at the same time. There is other evidence of mental disorder, with different names. In the cloud of confusion created by years of deception, I consider none of this reliable. However, I do conclude that this present comment is from Darryl, it fits far to well to be an impersonation, as Oliver will claim.


As for JuniusThaddeus unfortunately he now has a large grudge against Oliver and stalks him across the internet.


And this is mind-reading.  Junius Thaddeus has suffered real-life harassment from Oliver, apparently. Junius is a person who researches topics that seize his interest. Now, consider my article on RationalWiki. When that article appeared, after what may have been weeks of research, I was amazed at how much had been found, by someone obviously “stalking me across the internet.” “Stalking” is what RatWikians do to write articles on people. Apparently they think that this is okay if the person is a “crank.” But not if they are fine upstanding citizens like … like themselves, of course.
They can doxx others all they want on RationalWiki and it is mostly tolerated or even encouraged there. But if anyone doxxes them, on RationalWiki or elsewhere, they act to ban the person on RatWiki for “doxxing RationalWiki users,” even when they are the only users whose identities are revealed.


For example uploading those recent pictures of Oliver is not very fair. Oliver now wants to move on in his life I have spoken to him about this and he agrees. He is going to cease all internet communications with mikemikev, Rome Viharo and all these other people like Lulzkiller (above) who posts on lolcows.


I have found that promises from the Smith brothers are utterly useless, whether or not they are lies.


Regarding certain beliefs, Olvier used to hold various views and changes his position over time, this is perfectly natural. Like myself he is embarrassed about some of his former beliefs. Change happens.


Yes, it does. But some changes are superficial, like changing from hating, say, other races, to hating racists. It’s still hate, and the approach is still the same: expose and debunk and defame — and lie and hide and sock and impersonate if that helps “the cause.”


Apparently users here seem to think we have to stay static all our lives. Some of the skeptics I greatly admire started out as believers in things but shifted their position drastically over the years. Like I said this is natural.


It is.


Oliver was embarrassed about his posts when he was 14 or 15 years old on the tomb raider forum so it is natural he would deny them. Don’t we all posts stupid things when we are young? I think it is ridiculous that this sort of thing has ended up here at ED. Nobody cares about it and it is not funny.


It is natural to change views, and natural that adolescents will do something embarrassing. And others even older. However, it is not necessarily natural to deny that it ever happened. Basically, Darryl is here making excuses for his brother for lying.


As for lolcows website that now stalks Oliver it contains deliberate falsehoods to try and annoy him.


Yes. That’s lolcow. So? Nobody looks to the lolcow wiki for reliable information. The Smith brothers have done all this in spades and it is done routinely on RationalWiki.
Encyclopedia Dramatica is also for lulz, it is a satire and parody site, with some underlying actual research. Indeed, that’s what is done on RationalWiki, but with a veneer of serious intention enough to fool readers, as it did with media about Emil Kirkegaard in January 2018, with all that being solicited by Oliver contacting media.
I use nothing from those sites without careful independent verification. However, the page being discussed here was a sober account of investigation, essentially the personal testimony of Junius Thaddeus. It is as reliable as he is. Over the years, I have found him trustworthy. I still personally verify everything and don’t use ED as if a “reliable source.”


Oliver is not a peadophile or attracted to children in anyway shape or form. His biggest enemy is peadophiles and the sexually immoral, he even used this website in the past and another to attack a peadohpile and warn people about them. It is slander to call someone a peadophile when they are not one and you have no evidence.


That’s correct, and Oliver has done exactly that. This is not actually arguable.


My request here is for this page to be deleted.


And why? It’s a personal account of a study. It is not actually an attack, just a history, and in this request, Darryl admits it is basically accurate. By the way, Darryl and Oliver also sought to delete my meta LTA study, and forum-shopped until they got the answer they wanted. It was, by that time, completely unnecessary, having long been moved to my blog.
The Smiths attempt to hide, even as their actual activity created a great deal of attention. The intense attacks actually convinced me that there was more to this than appeared at first, i.e., some isolated pseudoskeptical fanatic. I’m still uncovering what actually happened, and how deep this goes and who is involved. It is not just the Smith brothers, who are what I have called “attack dogs.” There are those who use attack dogs.


1. Nobody is blaming ED for owning our Wikipedia or rationalwiki accounts. We created them. But many of these skeptic accounts belong to me not Oliver. So it is actually false and not factual to say they are his.


They are “Smith brothers” accounts. So what would be appropriate is to make that clear. Eventually, that was, indeed, made clear. When Oliver Smith actually wrote me, from an account known to be his by public usage, he made statements that confirm what is written above.
However, when I documented “Anglo Pyramidologist socks,” using the Wikipedia name for the sock puppet investigations, and being quite clear that these were likely two brothers (and maybe more), the studies were still attacked as lies. This, again, is typical for AP socks: instead of correcting errors, they want it all deleted. When I asked Oliver, in those emails, to detail which accounts were his and which were his brother, he declined. Too much trouble, was his excuse. Okay, but in that case he remains responsible, as a collective responsibility.


2. Oliver’s mental health has deteriorated and he wants to move on with his life. JuniusThaddeus has been angry but seems to have an unhealthy obsession with stalking Oliver. I request for this to stop and everyone just move on with their lives.


Again, this is what I expect Darryl to say. The Smiths create massive disruption and then want everyone to just forget about it and move on. And some do. And then they repeat the pattern with others, and the damage grows and gets deeper.


3. Oliver at the end of the day is also a nobody, this page exists because of his personal feud with JuniusThaddeus.


This is obviously not true now, but he could reasonably have alleged that, then. Junius Thaddeus did delete the page, and others restored it. Junius retired from his documentation crusade, and why? It simply became too much for him, and this is quoted in the current Oliver D. Smith article:

“I didn’t realize what I was getting into when I decided to document the activities of a psychopath. It’s just too much.” —JuniusThaddeus who regrets encountering Oliver

I understand. I had no idea what all this would lead to. I was being heavily threatened, but am not easily persuaded by threats. (I’ve been internet-active, in controversial areas, where real people actually get assassinated, and there are real fanatics, and I have received bomb threats.) Threats on the meta wiki were from Darryl, I’m reasonably certain, and Oliver has confirmed that, my opinion. These are serious bullies, who do what they accuse others of, attack by Google.
What’s it like when you have a business meeting, and you are asked about your RationalWiki article? What’s it like when you have a woman friend, and her children confront her about her friend, based on believing what is in the RationalWiki article? What’s it like when one is covered in major media as a “pedophile” or “child rape apologist” when this is based on insane interpretations in the RationalWiki article on you, and has never been your position or activity, and was nothing more than out-of-context interpretations of what you actually wrote? What’s it like when your mother is fired from her job because Oliver Smith wrote her employer? These have all actually happened to Smith targets.
I decided that I could take the heat, and …. I’m not dead yet. I will be, soon enough. It’s a challenge. I need to write legal documents, filings or pleadings, which I haven’t done for years. It’s a pain in the ass. I’ll do it anyway. Back to Darryl:


I think it is silly to have three pages here at ED dedicated to him and unfair, and it is getting freaky the stalking behavior. This is Junius’s personal grudge war. I would appreciate if this page could be deleted. Like I said I have owned up to these accounts which were actually mine not Oliver’s. Nobody is saying they belong to ED.
Oliver wants to move on with his life. I have spoken to him and he will not longer communicate with JuniusThaddeus, Mikemikev, post on forums, blogs, reddit or any of the other immature things he was doing. He wants to move on with his life and he is involved with a job now.


When Oliver wrote to me this year, expressing the same desire, I told him the way forward was clear: disclose everything about all the disruption he has created, just what he knows and actually did, and, as well what he knows about his brother. If his brother were to do that, the entire mess could be cleaned up. As it is, the brothers have created real-world responses. It may be more than they can clean up, but they could take a stand and support the cleanup, fully. They could, for example, apologize to me and to the WikIMedia foundation for any deceptive implications in what they wrote (and they were complainants who, with a few others whom they recruited, created the WMF global ban and, as well, the major damage to Wikiversity academic freedom, with long-term implications). I don’t know how they will compensate Joshua Connor Moon’s mother for her job loss, but, again, becoming willing to be completely truthful would be a start.


JuniusThaddeus says its odd for family members in their 20s to still be living together. I am pretty sure Junious is older than Oliver yet still living at home with his mum and dad. It really is of no interest to ED who Oliver lives with or what he does with his life.


On Encyclopedia Dramatica and Kiwi Farms (lolcow wiki) this can be of high interest! This is basically irrelevant and would not be a reason for deletion on ED.


Why don’t you guys just live your life? Oliver like myself is a nobody at the end of the day.
It is coming up to Christmas and I just think it is sad that this stupid online battle is still going on.


It will soon be coming up on two years later, and the drama continues. If it was so stupid, surely the one arguing that, here, would give it up. The evidence I have indicates that Darryl was being paid. It is currently circumstantial, not direct. This admission was remarkable. It may have been completely sincere, even if misguided. The page and the talk page were moved by Junius Thaddeus to a Smith Brothers article, and then both were deleted on ED. How did the Smith Brothers respond?
To me it looks like they took this as “we won,” and continued playing the same games. After all, if you are winning, why stop? Recently, though, it appears that Google results are freaking them out, and they have been getting desperate. There are other effects working their way through the process. It takes time to consult with attorneys and time to create and file demand letters and legal actions.


There is a large world out there with many good things to see or get educated about. We all make mistakes but this whole thing is ridiculous. If the mods here have any sense of knowing what is right you should remove this page. JuniusThaddeus has removed other attack pages he has created on people. The whole point in ED is to be funny. These pages on Oliver are off-mission.


The Smith escapades are beyond hilarious. They are utterly and completely outrageous. There was a RatWiki user who has (had) a blog, “I’m not making this up.” That was generally about what passes for “conservative.”
I fully understand why ED users would want to keep the Oliver D. Smith page, and why there would be interest on Kiwi Farms. If Darryl doesn’t understand it, it could be because he’s a socially dysfunctional basement dweller. (Does he really have a job? Maybe. One of the socks appearing on the blog claimed that one of the brothers had a family he was supporting. Let’s say that this could not be Oliver. Yet Darryl is obviously dysfunctional, continuing to stir the pot, as he did with the impersonations on Wikipedia (illegal!) and the attacks on me for pointing that out. There is an obsession there, obviously, and I have other material to publish on this.)


I am not posting here again. You guys all need to move on in your lives. The world is bigger than this. We are all going to die one day, and I think it’s sad websites exist like this. I have made a lot of mistakes myself but you guys should just see sense and move on with your lives. Oliver has promised me from this week he will be doing this, so you will never hear from him again. Regards. Skeptic 04:48, 27 November 2016 (EST)


That did not happen. This year, Oliver attacked me on Junius Thaddeus’ talk page, and created many socks pursuing all this. Did Darryl ever again edit ED?  Not with that account, for sure. I haven’t seen any other Darryl edits there, but it’s difficult to tell, there are brief snarky comments in sequences of Oliver sock attacks (or continued attempts to get his article deleted). All of these could be Oliver. There was an immediate response from one user:

Fuck off Oliver.
 Cobalt Cat.jpg CobaltCat 05:45, 27 November 2016 (EST)

CobaltCat appears to have been a regular ED user, and then

17:13, 27 November 2016 LulzKiller (talk | contribs) blocked Skeptic (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of infinite (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Sockpuppet wankery: oliver we know it’s you m8)

This reminds me so much of RationalWiki…. simply turned around.
In any case, what appears to be the real Oliver Smith shows up. He had already been arguing on that talk page:

The vast majority of these accounts are not mine; this article doesn’t record my internet history, but other peoples. Michaeldsuarez is a deranged liar. Barkhang Monastery 18:26, 25 August 2016 (EDT)

and then this, after more documentation from others


  • 1. Vordrak has seen a family photo of me and my brothers. He knows I’m telling the truth and you’re a bunch of delusional idiots. I requested he covered a blog post on his forum about how Michael D. Suarez and Kiwi Farms have harassed me for the last year. He accepted, but I changed my mind a few days ago when I realized Rome Viharo was creating defamatory threads about me on forums (Wikipedia Sucks, Wikipediocracy etc). Vordrak doing an article on me will just feed Viharo’s trolling. Instead I will request to Vordrak he does a separate blog entry on Viharo.
  • 2. Providing a family photo to Suarez is a obviously not an option since he’s cyberstalking and harassing me (just look at this creepy “connecting the dots” link where Suarez is trying to dig up my internet history, but failing), do you really think my brothers want this nutcase following them and writing more Encylopedia Dramatica articles filled with smears, lies and personal attacks?
  • 3. Suarez has just admitted if I provided the photo – he still wouldn’t retract any of his misinformation about me because somehow its all my fault – when he is the dim-wit who confused my identity. As I mentioned in my post on Wikipediocracy: Suarez is one of those people who thinks he’s correct 100% of the time. He will never admit when he’s wrong and has a narcissistic personality disorder.
  • 4. Several accounts/links of this “connecting the dots” include impersonators and dubious/no evidence to link my IP to them. So even if I showed what accounts were my brothers, it wouldn’t remove the accounts Suarez is outright lying about and trying to pin onto me.
  • 5. It’s rather laughable Mikemikev falsely accuses me of impersonating people, when that’s all he does. Today Rationalwiki blocked yet another of his sockpuppets using my real name. (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Oliver_D_smithBacchylides 19:24, 25 November 2016 (EST)

The RatWiki account demonstrates absolutely nothing. The account was blocked on registration, it has no contributions (not even deleted or suppressed). There is no evidence shown that this was Mikemikev, other than purely circumstantial (i.e., perhaps nobody else would impersonate Smith). Or it could be a red herring. However, compare this: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abd_ul-Rahman_Lomax, blocked as soon as recognized, but with two contributions. Absolutely not me, and this was one of many socks created there impersonating me, and claimed to be me, by Debunking spiritualism, i.e., Darryl.

This post rings totally, to me, as authentic Oliver Smith, as I have read a great deal directly from him. There are persistent mentions of another possible brother. It might explain certain anomalies. But I have no definitive information on this. One thing is clear to me: Michaeldsuarez may have been mistaken about this or that, but I’ve known him for years and I have never seen him lie. Crying “lies” is a common behavior of liars and trolls, and Oliver is both.

The Smiths commonly claim “there is no proof,” even when evidence is completely overwhelming. They claim impersonation, and very recently, Darryl L. Smith, as Debunking spiritualism on RW, went on a deletion rampage, mixing that in with a block of an enemy and an unblock of his brother, creating vast confusion, ultimately admitting to his “family being doxxed” to justify it, i.e., admitting he was a Smith brother, and then, next day, he retired and a new account appeared, claiming to be him and that the old one had been hacked, and, of course, I was accused of being the culprit. I think that trick was used by Oliver before, he claimed that the accounts on Metapedia, where he made racist comments, were hacked.

Yeah, right.

So then Darryl showed up and wrote the screed quoted above. And, after that skeptical rejection also quoted above, Oliver responded again. Damage control:

  • 1. “Skeptic” isn’t mine, nor my brother. Its a troll impersonator from Kiwi Farms, probably Dynastia (I noticed him doing something similar here: https://allthetropes.org/wiki/User_talk:GethN7). The IP on “Skeptic” also won’t be mine.

That Dynastia comment bears no resemblance to what Skeptic wrote. Here is the discussion on that wiki. They conclusion there: this was “copypasta” from Oliver, not Oliver, it was actually Dynastia. That Oliver then jumps from that to attempting to connect Skeptical to Dynastia is his classic deception. The argument holds no water at all. Skeptical was not an Oliver impersonation, at all, but rather precisely how Darryl had behaved and had written, in many places, and at this point, Darryl was not at all well known, the focus had been on Oliver. I find it impossible to imagine that someone, in 2016, knew the situation well enough to create such a sophsticated impersonation. Only if Oliver was telling the truth when he claimed that he had been lying since 2011, and it was all him, then, of course, he’d have known that he created that persona and would have known what he had written before.

No, very unlikely, and it conflicts with checkuser evidence from WMF wikis, and just plain common sense.

Apparently Oliver IP and Darryl IP are almost always distinct, but they occasionally use the same address, so Oliver was setting up a red herring here by mentioning IP. ED does have checkusers, but checkuser would likely have provided zero useful information. Apparent Oliver socks are immediately blocked on ED, and they don’t care enough to go through the motions of verifying by checkuser.

  • 2. Most of the above is misinformation; I do though share a Wikipedia IP and the edits on parapsychology were never me – so yes its true large chunks of the “connecting the dots” are not my accounts and Michael Suarez is a dim-wit who confused my identity. Needless the say, all the talk about me and sex at Kiwi Farms is libel; Lulzkiller is the sick freak spreading these lies about me because I exposed him as the pervert (https://lulzkillerblog.wordpress.com/2016/08/30/connor-evans-pests-females-on-twitter-for-sex-admits-to-watching-porn-all-day/).

    The link is to an obvious attack blog created by  an obvious AP sock, in a common tactic. They create these blogs and immediately archive them before the host takes them down. It purports to present the real name of “Lulzkiller.” (If Lulzkiller requests it, I will redact that link.)  It is completely deranged to expect any other result than dedicated enmity if one does this. My guess? Lulzkiller doesn’t care about what he wrote being “exposed,” or he wouldn’t have written it. Lulzkiller is not far from normal as a young man. And, yes, this could later be embarrassing. Yet this was all irrelevant, feuding. It’s what Oliver and Darryl do.

No wonder the ED article was restored after Junius Thaddeus deleted it!

Oliver is deranged about sex, he acknowledged to be being an anti-natalist, and he commonly accuses others of “perversion,” sometimes for acknowledging normal male sexuality, about which he appears radically ignorant. At that point, Junius Thaddeus had not apparently realized the issue of two brothers. He did, later. The Smiths have lied for years, and then blame others for being “confused” “dim-wits.”

  • 3. My brothers are not stupid and know nothing here will be deleted by requests. This site won’t remove content about people since its used to harass them like at Kiwi Farms.

Except they, and especially Oliver, keep pestering ED, with hosts of sock puppets. Hundreds, maybe thousands. They are very quickly blocked and immediately new socks replace them. Recently, AP socks requested the deletion of Rational Wiki articles that they had created. They did not, however, reveal that they had created them. In one request, for example, the article was called a revenge article. But they did not admit their own role. And they had succeeded, with years of impersonation socks and other tricks, that the article targets richly deserved the articles. So simply asking for deletion was not enough. To clean that up, they would need to admit, in detail, exactly what they had done. They would need to apologize to the community and to the targets, using real names and confirming how much disruption they had created, on RationalWiki and elsewhere.

  • 4. I did not cease going after Gethn7; I work with Vordrak and we are obtaining his personal information by going through his internet history; the same for Lulzkiller. Eventually Vordrak will cover a blog post on them both. We just now do this behind these scenes. Lots more to come.

Notice that he admits stalking and harassment and attempted doxxing. Was this an impersonation? If so, brilliant! The impersonator knows exactly how Oliver would write and think. But I don’t think so. None of the people who might be candidates would be this accurate.

He worked with Vordrak for a time, (Samuel Collingwood Smith, no relation, apparently). Then apparently Vordrak figured out how crazy he was and that fell apart.

Yes, he does a lot “behind the scenes.” The Smiths file complaints with administrators, privately. They often succeed in getting their targets banned, and perhaps web sites taken down.

  • 5. These ridiculous ED pages on me do not affect “my mental health”, whatever that is supposed to mean. My work colleagues and family have seen it all and know they are full of lies and smears and so they paint a false picture of who I am. And you don’t get many page views on my articles here because (a) I blocked them from UK search-engines for defamation and (b) I’m of little interest; few people search my name. Michael Suarez should have his own Kiwi Farms thread called the “goofy documenter with no life”. Iambic 13:27, 27 November 2016 (EST)

I cannot be sure that Oliver is lying about “Skeptic.” That is, he might not have known this was Skeptic, except he’d have known that the “impersonator” was mostly telling the truth. Later, Oliver personally confirmed much of the story. GethN7 is associated with RationalWiki, I’m not sure of his account there, but he ran into Oliver and wrote an expose, but eventually gave up, being so broadly attacked.

One of the extant Google complaints from Oliver is about the GethN7 blog. Google does not completely remove all trace of search results. The search I used was for Oliver D. Smith, and in the U.K. (where Oliver would care), there is a note with results that responses have been suppressed, and there is a link to see the complaints. On that linked page there are URLs with the critical name redacted, if it was in the URL. By knowing the name already, I was able to find all of them. Many still exist or have been archived. If a new employer is looking for “Oliver D. Smith” and sees the omitted results, they might do something similar. As well if the employer is in the U.K. and is at all sophisticated, they could use a proxy server to access Google in, say, the U.S. Trivial to do.

Hiding is not a decent strategy, particularly when one keeps up the behavior that one would want to hide, continually motivating others to document it. I explained all this to Oliver, and he rejected it, claiming that I was “immoral” because I was supporting alleged racists and pedophiles who had been defamed. He is clearly deranged. (I have never supported racism and pedophilia. There are no pedophiles associated with this situation, to my knowledge. I have pointed out that someone who was accused by Oliver D. Smith of being a pedophile was not, and Darryl pointed out that a false charge of pedophilia would be libel. He was right.)

His complaints would only affect Google access from the EU. Further, the huge pile of complaints would be a red flag to someone investigating that something was amiss.

Update: Darryl as Darryl

Public information showing Darryl as Darryl is rare. However, it exists, in spite of apparent efforts to erase it.

First of all, the famous “doxxing my family” image, which is in many places. The Smiths apparently don’t realize that by saying this is “my family” they are confirming it. Not terribly bright. (On Wikipedia, the standard advice, if you are outed, is not to mention it on-wiki, but email a functionary privately, to get it revision-deleted. Making a public fuss will call attention to it. However, if your goal is to prove that someone is Bad, not actually caring about your “family,” then you will wave it about and archive it!

(There is some evidence that this is not the “birth family,” but the home of a relative. At this point it does not matter. For me, the concept of two Smiths, rather than one, helps organize the data, and there are clearly two behavioral patterns and special interests. That there can be some overlap could be confusing. Oliver might edit “Rome Viharo” pages, as an example.)

Then there is https://www.researchgate.net/post/Are_mutations_random, apparently a question asked by Darryl Smith (“Deleted profile”, as can be seen by responses that quote him and refer to him as Darryl.)


Can_Neo-Darwinism_ND_today_be_considered_a_valid_scientific_theory begins with [Tip of the hat to Darryl Smith.]

In it, “Deleted profile” refers to another question of his. What_is_the_scientific_position_on_the_inheritance_of_acquired_characteristics_Lamarckism, In that, as well, he is called “Darryl.” That Answer set contains why he left ResearchGate.

In an Amazon discussion, the user was apparently Forests, one post refers to him as “Forrests [sic]/Drifter/Darryl Smith”.  Another quotes him as claiming to have created the RationalWiki article on William Fix. That was created by DinoCrisis, a known Darryl sock.

Since I am collecting edit times, there are these notes:

  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013, 2:38:42 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Oct 25, 2012, 3:23:02 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013, 2:38:53 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Oct 25, 2012, 5:48:56 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013, 2:39:00 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Oct 25, 2012, 5:50:52 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013, 2:39:07 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Oct 25, 2012, 10:10:51 PM PDT

Going to the internet archive, I find more for that thread.

  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013 2:09:30 PM PDT]
  • Initial post: Sep 2, 2012 2:28:50 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 31, 2013 5:37:10 AM PDT]
  • * Posted on Sep 2, 2012 3:28:17 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013 2:09:38 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Sep 2, 2012 5:00:05 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013 2:09:49 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Sep 2, 2012 8:17:24 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013 2:09:55 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Sep 2, 2012 8:22:32 PM PDT
  • [Deleted by the author on Mar 26, 2013 2:10:04 PM PDT]
  • * Posted on Sep 2, 2012 8:30:29 PM PDT

The middle of the discussion (which went on for a long time, for 1871 comments by last capture, April 7, 2013) is missing, AFAIK. So Darryl started the thread, about “Darwin believed in God.”

DinoCrisis retired from RatWiki, 22 August 2013, (Perm Retired moving to NZ.)” Retired messages are common for Darryl socks. He had previously announced retirement 8 June 2013 with “(Retired from this site. Too busy in real life. Got an entire biology dissertation to finish :)” 5 June 2013 Forests “retired” and requested that DinoCrisis lock his talk page, still pretending they were different accounts.


Sites with evidence and claims

If you are reading on an archive site, be sure to check the URL for possible updates, corrections, and retractions.

This is a draft, incomplete, to be expanded.

The realization that there was a family of disruptive users, and that one of them was Oliver D. Smith, goes back to at least 2012. Many of the targets of the Smiths were marginal in some way, fringe or provocative. However, the level of sock puppetry was quite unusual, and the intensity of attacks and harassment. Early documentation was often not clear on which brother was involved in a particular incident, and there were impersonations (both by the Smiths and possibly impersonating them as well), creating a veil of confusion, and there were deliberate actions to create confusion.

Nevertheless, it is possible to see reality through confusion. Such perception may not be free of error. Consider looking at some scene through a dirty window, one particular snapshot may be almost unintelligible. But if we move, we can see through the visual noise, by what remains constant behind it. The AP socks do not come with ready tags when we observe them (usually). It is much easier to, however, consider them as if the same, to distinguish the sock family from others who might resemble it in some way or other. When an account has substantial edits, I have become sufficiently familiar with the traits to identify “AP socks,” and, as well, there are two obvious general families of interests and modes of expression.

I did not develop this facility by reading what others have written, I developed it from integrating the study of the account behaviors with my own experience and confirmed knowledge. As an example, there has been massive impersonation on RationalWiki, including impersonation of me. I know it wasn’t me! So for my own purposes, I don’t need to find specific evidence for that, I may assume it. As well, I concluded quite some time ago that Debunking spiritualism was Darryl L. Smith, and have covered evidence for that. When Dubunking spiritiualism continued some patterns of behavior, becoming more and more extreme with them — not abruptly but more or less gradually — and then appears to have realized how much he revealed, he then told the story that his account had been hacked, and probably by me.

The story did not match the actual evidence of his behavior, but on RationalWiki, studying actual evidence is deprecated in favor of snark and quick judgments.

Here, some other web pages have been pointed out to me. I will link to them here and make a few comments. Listing here is not an approval of those sites, and those pages may have many errors. Few of them, in my experience, are lying. (It is a common Smith practice to call documentation of the behavior of the brothers “Lies.” He does not specify which statements are lies, or if he does, it’s misleading. I.e., if some source misidentifies the activity of Darryl as Oliver, say, Oliver will call it “lies” and Darryl will remain silent. Calling a possible error a “lie” is common among fanatics and trolls.) To the pages:

The archive.is search for *Oliver Smith returns almost 55,000 pages. Oliver has filed Google blocks for many sites, I documented those on another page; these affect google results, but not archive.is searches.  *Darryl Smith returns over 8,000 pages, but almost all are not the same person as is of interest here.

Encyclopedia Dramatica.

That project is down at the moment, it may be restored [note 5/11/2018: it’s back up], but many pages are archived. ED has long been a parody site, for the lulz, not to be taken seriously. This was commonly obvious from articles themselves, but it was also well-known. The site was somewhat cleaned up recently, the pornographic and pop-up ads were removed, but some of the pages linked here, through archive copies, are NSFW. (All of the pages linked here are for information and further research, they are not “approved” other than for possible usefulness, to be confirmed, later.)

In listing pages, I may comment as to the general content of the page, without necessarily approving all the content. Anyone may point out errors to me, and I am committed to correcting what I cannot personally confirm. As well, my intention is to allow the Smith brothers the right of comment, if comment comes as verified. (I.e., Oliver Smith has a known email address. He can write me and I know it’s him. — and if someone spoofs that address, he’d still see it when I reply, as I would.)

Other comments will be approved based on my discretion.

Oliver D. Smith as of 4 Feb 2018, recent version of the article, which is sarcastic, lulzy and dramatic. There is factual basis underneath.

Oliver D. Smith/Connecting the dots 15 Jun 2016. This was well-organized but defective in one way: the author does not apparently realize what is now seen as a probability that Forests was Darryl, not Oliver. In order to link them, the author depends on an assumption that conversations between the accounts was faked to divert researchers. A certain level of common article and mutual support would be expected from the brothers.

There are some who believe, apparently, that there is “no brother,” and that it is all Oliver. It is plausible, but, because it is known independently that there is a brother of the same age, Darryl, it must be interpreted as “the brother is not involved,” not that he doesn’t exist.

This is inconsistent with many claims from Oliver, except a very recent one where he claims he was lying to everyone for many years, including lying to a possible supporter of Darryl’s work. Tim Farley. (Farley has claimed to not know the Smith brothers, as I recall, but he has not yet been asked more specifically.)

To me, there are visibly distinct personalities that can be seen. On the other hand, Oliver claimed at one time to be schizophrenic, which could create very erratic behavior.

Oliver D. Smith Brothers in spite of the displayed capture date in 2012, shows that it was last revised 20 December 2016. It begins with a description of the brothers:

The Oliver D. Smith Brothers are a duo or trio of brothers involved in massive online arguments, sockpuppetry, impersonation, deception, and harassment. Of these brothers, Oliver D. Smith is the most prolific, as well as the only one whose name is known. Topics of interests to the brothers include Rightism, Racialism, Atlantis, and the paranormal. Known pseudonyms used by the brothers include Anglo_Pyramidologist, Atlantid, Boglin, Dan Skeptic, Jake Speed, DinoCrisis, Cassiterides, and Krom, as well countless others. Oliver is a former Neo-Nazi and a former British Israelite, whose autism and bibliomania lead him to keep changing his political and religious views. Oliver is “hetero-demisexual” and lack of interest in sex leads him to wage an online war against what he calls “sex pests” and other immorality despite the fact he claims to love violent video-games and once watched Cannibal Holocaust. Oliver’s internet history traces back to least 2005. He also has a disturbing history of impersonating people and inventing personae on forums and is a pathological liar who will blame his impersonations on his enemies, apparently unaware of how transparent his efforts are. As “Atlantid”, Oliver was a sysop on Metapedia, while his brother (“DinoCrisis”, “Forests”) was a sysop on Rationalwiki. Oliver, as “Krom”, later became a RationalWiki sysop as well. Together, they’ve upset various people with their edits. Hundreds of the brothers’ Wikipedia accounts have been blocked.

“Neo-Nazi” is a problematic claim, possibly an exaggeration (but there is evidence for it). I have seen clearly racist comments from Oliver, but that was years ago, on Metapedia, and he claimed to have changed his position (which then is roughly consistent with the article description). I consider the allegations about his sexual interests irrelevant, other than his having a penchant for accusing others of pedophilia based on statements that reflect normal male sexuality rather than anything pedophilic.

I suspect that Oliver has been impersonated, but it is clear that the Smiths collectively employ impersonation socking to defame, there are many examples. From circumstantial evidence, the most extensive impersonation socking was by Darryl, not Oliver.

In the list of interests, they were all Oliver’s interests except the “paranormal,” which was Darryl. This distinction of interests is found back to Wikipedia in 2011. Interest in the paranormal can slide into interest in pseudoscience and fringe science (which some skeptics call pseudoscience, though that is clearly a misapplication of the term) and then we see claims that racialism and associated intelligence studies are “pseudoscientific” (which some may be). As well, the brothers communicate and help each other out, as is described in the ED pages.


RationalWiki has a salted page, Oliver D. Smith. Only a sysop can create a page with that name. Why? It was never created. I don’t know the history. However, the Smiths claim that there is no “Smith brotherconspiracy” it is all a paranoid fantasy by crazies.

Oliver claims to have been harassed, meanwhile he and his brother create many articles on RationalWiki about their enemies

Further, someone is creating massive impersonation socks on RationalWiki, and it unlikely to be Mikemikev and it sure is not me!

In the most recent craziness, Debunking spiritualism went on a massive revision deletion and blocking spree, and then, next day, retired the account and claimed it had been hacked. Meanwhile, though most of his actions were reversed, some were not. Here is a page from RationalWiki today:

He blocked Merkel, Oliver’s harassment target (for which Calimachus had been blocked), and he also unblocked Calimachus, and both actions are standing.

User:Merkel (history). The current text was added by Merkel January 9, 2018.

Vindicated about Oliver/Atlantid[edit]

I mentioned this fact and everyone flung venemous insults at me. He later admitted it. He never apologized for lying nor did anyone else.
Dr. Witt and User:Anti-Fascist for life put that they retire on their user page at the same time. The second account didn’t get its sysop powers removed like the first.
Debunking spiritualism removed this and added:

This user is banned indefinitely from editing RationalWiki.
The reason given is doxing, impersonating and posting libel about a RW editor; also off-site harassment.”

Why I permabanned this editor:

Doxing and posting libel about a RW editor.
Ongoing harassment: Merkel is a sysop on the neo-Nazi wiki Rightpedia.
He uses Rightpedia to dox and harass the same RW editor.
Merkel has also impersonated the RW editor.Debunking spiritualism (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

So that was reverted, but the block was not.

And his brother, Darryl L. Smith

May 2-3, 2018, Darryl L. Smith, as Debunking spiritualism, thoroughly outed himself before retiring. He still does not reveal to the RationalWiki community, with this, what it would take to get his libels deleted, but the Smiths still have not figured out that the prime way to recover, from indiscretions that come to light, is full disclosure, not half-measures. He may still be active on Wikipedia, as he claimed, and may still be able to collect financial support for it, so … he’s attempting to limit damage. While guaranteeing that he will fail.

He retired, creating a new account to claim Debunking spiritualism had been hacked. He had unblocked an account of his brother (, wheel-warring with Spriggina, and taking other actions that would clearly be Smith agenda, mostly in an attempt to scrub references to the Smith brothers (mostly Oliver, including places where Oliver accounts admitted who he was) not some new strange initiative. But the RWikians are about as gullible a group as I have ever encountered, most of them are far from “rational.”

His deletion actions merged with contributions and the block log:

This speaks volumes. That page was started as a redirect by Dave1234, which was Darryl L. Smith. Oliver Smith was not lying when he denied being Dave1234. The article itself was started by Debunker, also Darryl.

For Darryl to link to the WWHP page was completely remarkable. However, he has enough experience with RationalWiki (and he tried also to fix the article on me), to know that the deceptive impressions that he spent years to create would not vanish just because he, on the face someone different, says that it was wrong. He engaged whole generations of RationalWiki editors in his crusade as retaliation for Rome Viharo documenting the “wikipedia problem,” which intimately involved him, certainly as Goblin Face and likely other accounts.

Notice that DS claims “author request.” That’s because he was the author!

(We can think that an impersonator wanted to establish this. For what audience? I know of no person who has investigated the AP/Krom/Atlantid/Gobling Face sock family who still thinks that it was one person (i.e. Oliver Smith). That opinion has been expressed in the past, but this was before there was serious investigation, using better evidence. In addition, I have the equivalent of checkuser evidence and I’m suspecting I’m going to see some interesting facts when I look — it takes time, I have no automated tool like Media Wiki checkuser, on the blog. In the past, commentary focused on Oliver Smith, because he has been public about his identity. I began, some time ago, to document Darryl L. Smith. There were reactions). They did not begin on May 3!)

So, naturally, his deletion was reversed, by Cozmicdebris.

admits it is about doxxing of his family. I.e., the Smith brothers.

and 12 more revision deletions on that page. These were all restored by Grammar Commie. What was he hiding? Until I saw this, I didn’t realize there was an early incarnation of “Racialism.” Some archives I found: Talk page history\

This was the second attempt to hide all that, see below for the first. Both failed.

Archive 1 history (notice edit by Gorgonite, attempting to hide discussion.) Gorgonite was blanking an edit by Windir, replying to IP (Mikemikev? Maybe). Archive1 was deleted by FuzzyCatPotato, with the summary “13:42, 25 October 2016 FuzzyCatPotato (talk | contribs deleted page Talk:Racial realism/Archive1 (content was: “{{talk archive}} == Stupidly One-sided == So stupidly one-sided. This page is a complete joke. Clearly written by a “race denying” crackpot.<sup>— Unsigned, by: / User talk:…”)

Did FCP know what he was doing? The only edit of that IP was to create the Talk page back in 2012. FCP was indeed scrubbing history. Gorgonite was an obvious Oliver sock. (These users only effectively hide from others who are paying little attention, a common problem on wikis.) RationalWiki does not, per se, sanction sock puppetry, unless the user is unpopular.

The edit that Gorgonite blanked was by Windir (contributions). Naturally, I look for hidden  contributions.

Nice. To Talk:Race as an additional comment after his comment of 18:12, 8 October 2014

Btw, this is the level of Mikemikev’s intelligence:>


User:Excuse Me I’m ON LSD

I don’t want to wear purple pants and “i’m on LSD” are listed among two of Mikemikev’s socks.

Maybe it was the LSD he takes that turned him into such a mental-case. Windir (talk) 13:31, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Classic trolling. The entire RW site is like this. Articles troll for outrage, and if the target shows up, he is harassed, sometimes impersonated, and commonly blocked.

The Talk archives for “Race” have been deleted. However, Talk:Race is still up, so I’m creating archives based on the page as archived by the bot or others, including extensively blanked text. The full page history.  These are snapshots of the page just before removals. They are not as convenient as normal Talk page archives, but edits can be found. Some of these already existed. Text in collapse is also shown.

Users and IPs were outed as Mikemikev. Doxxing is Bad when AP socks(Goody Guys!) are doxxed, Good when Bad Guys are doxxed. The difference between Good Guys and Bad Guys is that Bad Guys hide. Oh. Wait! That talk page was deleted. Lots of RationalWiki discussion has been, later, deleted, with no explanation. Who is hiding?

Removed an edit by Torch (Darryl!) about Mikemikev.  Reverted by Spud.

  • 01:33, 3 May 2018 Debunking spiritualism (talk | contribs) changed visibility of a revision on page Talk:Racial realism: content hidden and edit summary hidden (Inappropriate comment or personal information: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Saloon_bar#Deletion_of_Talk:racialism_and_Talk:race)

and 16 more. GrammarCommie restored 13. What revisions are still hidden? Three revisions were previously hidden, one by Skeptical (Darryl) 02:27, 31 October 2017.  (which would be three or more years after the edit. Skeptical did the same thing as DS did later, only not so extensively. There are a total of five hidden. discrepancy of one. Nothing particularly striking on the page. Some more AP socks.

removed edits by Jon Donniz, Saxton, and possible Mikemikev IP. The first two are likely AP socks.

why would Darryl block this IP 4 years later? To tag the IP with “Mikemikev” for anyone seeing this later. The IP is Korean, which could indicate mikemikev at that time, but it’s also possible to choose an open proxy there.

Oliver and Darryl have both supported this, eventually. But that article was created by ODS (Oliver) and Oliver there acknowledges that it was as revenge against me. (Darryl, DS, created the article on me.)

The page was created by an AP sock, that’s clear. Which one, I’m not entirely sure. This is a common tactic: ridicule reality, call it a “conspiracy theory.” The creator comments, MrOrganic (possibly Oliver). The article on me was created by Marky (DS). While MrOrganic created that page, it gets blamed on Rome Viharo by Marky, and David Gerard bought that. The fact is that the “Smith brothers” theory is not a “conspiracy theory,” it is that there are two brothers, Oliver and Darryl Smith. The Oliver half of that is far beyond proven. “Darryl” remains somewhat circumstantial. There really is a brother, that’s clear, but Oliver recently claimed it was all him and that he’d been lying for hears about the “brother.”  So lying then or lying now, how much does it matter? This will get sorted legally, I strongly suspect.

Schizophrenic was Oliver. I found the edit and documented it, so Darryl is trying to cover it up.


Callimachus is Oliver D. Smith.

Archived 2 May 2018 19:45:01 UT.

Socks found in this review (these could be Oliver or Darryl). A few listed could be impersonations.

September 5, 2013 see archive. Fraudulently signs IP edit “Eveshi.”
May 23, 2014 hidden edit to Talk:Racial realism (remove libellous illegal doxing from the sockpuppet troll mikemikev/MU.) Content blanked: “Jon Donniz/Saxton is the mentally ill troll Atlantid/Pyramidologist/Oliver Smith. He specialises in accusing people of being his socks. http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5299104/1/ (talk) 08:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC) “(link is live, but archived). This material would have saved a lot of time. There are conclusions in it that I’m not prepared to support, but … Mikemikev did a lot of research, and reported it relatively soberly. Considering how early this was, it was quite good. Of course this was hidden on RationalWiki! (It would routinely be hidden because of the doxxing of Oliver Smith, for sure, but also mentioning Atlantid or Pyramidologist — known and admitted Oliver socks (i.e., Oliver was the original Wikipedia Anglo Pyramidologist, effectively banned in 2011– has also resulted in blocks and revision hiding.)

 Skeptic Jon 5-7 September, 2013 & 2 April 2014, last edit, hidden, to Talk:Racial realism.: “ is troll Mikemikev. He’s been on this page for years.” likely Darryl

Hot edits! Hidden revisions.
Eveshi 31 May 2013 – 5 June 2013 Possibly Darryl but is claimed to be Chung. defiantly blocked by Forests. Investigate other sites.
Prince Emmanuel. 12 February 2013 – 3 June 2013 at first exposes Forests as “darryl.” later signs “Max”. Accused of being Forests. Hypocrite claims 13 years old. Max is clearly in direct communication with Forests, see this conversation. notice the dino_crisis email for Forests.
Other site: An account “Forests” refers to eveshi and signs Darryl Forests.

Going dark on a topic

(May 2, 2018) This is obsolete. Some pages are still hidden, being reviewed before being re-opened. The content here has been misrepresented elsewhere. Simple documentation has been called “attack.” If we are attacked by reality, we are in big trouble no matter what others say!)

I have been documenting the Anglo Pyramidologist sock puppetry and massive disruption. Because of what I have found, and the tasks before me over the next year, I am going dark. All pages in the category of Anglo Pyramidologist will be hidden, pending, and possibly some others. Some have been archived (often on archive.is) and will remain available there. If anyone has a need-to-know, or wants to support the work, contact me (comments on this post will be seen by me, and if privacy is requested, that will be honored, the comments will not be published. Provide me with an email and a request for contact and I will do so.)

The connection with cold fusion is thin, but exists and is significant.

Warning: documenting AP can be hazardous to your health.

As well, the next year’s journalism will need support, some of this may become expensive. I will be asking for support, to supplement what is already available or in the pipeline.

Sometimes reality comes to our door and knocks. Do we invite her in? Other times we need to search for her. Ask and you shall receive. She is kind and generous.

Don’t ask, and reality might seem to punch you in the nose, and you might be offended. In reality, you just walked into a lamp post. Who knew?


The sock family known on Wikipedia as Anglo Pyramidologist is two brothers, Oliver D. Smith (the original Anglo Pyramidologist) and Darryl L. Smith, perhaps best known as Goblin Face, who continues to be highly active with the “skeptic faction” on Wikipedia. It is possible that there is a third brother involved.

They have engaged in impersonation socking, disrupting Wikipedia while pretending to be a blocked user, leading to defamation of the target user, and they have engaged in similar behavior elsewhere.

I was attacked for documenting the proven impersonation and other socking. My behaviot did not violate any policies or the Terms of Service,

The Smith brothers were able to coordinate or canvass for multiple complaints, (they have bragged about complaining) and it is possible that this led to the WikiMedia Foundation global ban, but those bans are not explained and the banned user is not warned, and has no opportunity to appeal or contest them.

Substantial damage was done to the long-standing tradition of academic freedom on Wikiversity.

Action to remedy this will continue, but privately.

IP study

If you see this page on an archive site, be sure to check the original URL, the page may have been updated, which could include corrections or retractions.

Subpage: list of RW IP edits (mine and impersonations/imitations)

Pages linked here might be deleted or hidden, so if a link does not load, check archive.is for possible archives for the URL given here.

I have been writing about impersonation socks, and I decided to look at recent IP edits to RW, using Recent Changes and looking for any red flags, as well as my own edits. Here is what I found.

  •  was certainly not me. I notice that the edit to User talk:Debunking spiritualism was deleted by GrammarCommie. GrammerCommie also blocked the IP with “piss off, Lomax.” Why? The plot thickens.

A conversation on User_talk: was read because it was edited by Debunking spiritualism, which is obviously Darryl L. Smith. He did something nice, asking for and implementing the deletion of an attack article (which he or his brother created). DS, however, assumes that the IP editing the talk page was the article target, which I’m not planning on mentioning here, but anyone can find it. And I do think he is correct, but he also took previous actions inconsistent with that.

These would be the edits to the talk page in question, March 9, 10, and 17. Those were reverted by DS, though they seem harmless. This could have been the article target attempting to explain the record. There had been sock editing before, March 6, which had been reverted. The two socks were 20,000 and Litoes. Those are not me, but they vandalized the page with material copied from me.

DS then protected the page with “abd lomax sockpuppeting,” in spite of substantial evidence presented of extensive impersonation — which has been removed whenever I pointed to it (in edits that I will be acknowledging there). And here we have more evidence of impersonation taking place. RationalWiki invites discussion from those who disagree. They lie. They block users with disagreements or complaints, with the slightest excuse, when

http://www.lulu.com/shop/ben-steigmann/abd-ul-rahman-lomax-internet-troll/ebook/product-23565204.html I will be taking legal action. RW users have created this. (talk) 19:07, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

The page on lulu.com, is an alleged book.  This was a copy of what Oliver D. Smith created on an Encyclopedia Dramatic Forum, then archived on archive.is within a minute, then linked from Rational Wiki, on his talk page, within a few minutes. The latter was revision-deleted by his twin, Darryl. Darryl surely, then, knows what Oliver is doing.

See also edits and page creations relating to the lulu book by impersonation socks: GrammarCommie, intrepid sysop, handles them

I had considered it likely that Darryl was the impersonator I had exposed on Wikipedia, but Oliver had impersonated this person on RationalWiki, starting the articles on Emil Kirkegaard and John Fuerst. So …. maybe that actually was Oliver. Oliver has claimed that Darryl was the one creating massive numbers of socks. But … these trolls routinely lie. The IP evidence from Wikipedia checkuser could be misleading. Etc. Of this I’m sure: the ED Forum page was created by ODS, which does not demonstrate that the Lulu “book” was created by him. Impersonation of the alleged author of the book was apparently by Darryl.

Oliver had, for the first time, openly acknowledged some of his RW accounts, and started editing as ODS, his real initials, at the same time as Darryl was editing as Debunking spiritualism, and confirmed that Darryl was his brother. Darryl is still trying to cover it all up, by creating a huge smokescreen that will confuse RW users, too many of whom dislike actually studying WIGO. They prefer snarky reactions, not realizing what fools the Smiths are making out of them and the wiki.

As to Darryl, he clearly realizes or thinks that the IP is Steigmann, so … why did he protect that page because of “abd lomax sockpuppeting.” He obviously knows that I am being impersonated, and he is still trying to convince others that the “Smith brothers conspiracy theory” is just a paranoid fantasy, though the horse ran out of that barn long ago. There really are two brothers, who really have created an enormous number of socks, some of which impersonate others in order to defame them.

Now, back to the IP study.

  • 17:38, 10 March 2018 User account Anonymous4thelolz (talk | contribs | block) was created
  • A4TL created a user page with wikicode, which fooled many user because it displays the name of the user who is reading it. The user also claimed to be a sock of Rimuru Tempest.
  • The discussion is priceless. Christopher points out what is happening, but ODS doesn’t get it. He is absolutely fixated on “Lomax” with zero evidence. DS actually blocked A4TL, saying “look at his user page,” meaning that anyone who mentions Debunking spiritualism must be Lomax. Neat!
  • Truly amazing, A4TL ends up blaming me for the hysterical reaction by DS and ODS, and the socking. This affair ends up testing the intelligence of the RW tribe, and they are failing badly.
  • 17:32 17 March 2018 was not me, it’s an impersonation, repeating the claim of impersonation with twists, as usual. It wrote: “Readymade, debunking spiritualism and Christopher have impersonated me to blacklist my name on this website.” I do not believe and have never claimed that Readymade and Christopher have impersonated me. The impersonator could be DS, but it could also be ODS. This is all straw man attack.

Notice this lovely sequence. This was me.

This was, literally, not me, i.e., User:Notme. Why would I create an account to simply revert?  https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AChristopher&type=revision&diff=1937228&oldid=1937183 and this edit takes the case, written as a response to Christopher:

Actually, that whole section is worth looking at:

An explanation

Sorry about all that, I’ll explain what happened.

There is a banned troll who has been harrassing and doxing people here, including Debunking Spiritualism. He spammed a link to his website which revealed personal info about one of our users here just before (I think) you posted about pi in the Bible. Debunking Spiritualism (who was probably still looking out for this troll as he’d just dealt with him) saw your post in special:recentchanges and clicked on your username. He saw “Hello Debunking Spiritualism” on a new user’s page just after a troll obsesssed with him had been active, he then started all of that discussion above. Christopher(talk) 17:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

They are impersonations from maybe yourself, readymade and debunking spiritualism. I will do a new article about this. Notme (talk) 17:18, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Christopher seems to be incapable of understanding alternate hypotheses. I have never claimed, nor do I believe, that any of the impersonations are from Christopher or Readymade. These are claims being made by an anonymous troll. They might be from DS, but I am now leaning more toward ODS, it is much less likely that it was another troll besides one of the brothers. The active troll that Christopher was talking about was “New article,” I think. See also Christopher’s logs, his activity dealing with the troll.

This trolling has developed a clear pattern. I created a page studying Readymade’s activity with respect to me, as the first in a possible series of pages on RationalWiki “Supporters and Enablers..” Soon after that page was opened for public view, many copies of what I had written appeared, as can be seen with the links above. This same behavior had happened before, when I wrote the page supra,

Most of the “personal info” would be about Readymade, who was a very well-known RW user, and who did not attempt to conceal it. Readymade lied, and I documented that, but Readymade is, I’ll repeat, not suspected of impersonations, just of terminal carelessness and of providing support to trolls. None of the information in what I wrote rises to the level of “personal information” that would be called doxxing. For comparison, look at my RationalWiki article, giving a birth name which is difficult to find. That article was written and developed by a series of accounts documented here. This was clearly the original “Anglo Pyramidologist” sock master, whom I had exposed on Wikipedia and Wikiversity. Originally, I did not know about the “Smith brothers,” only that the original Wikipedia Anglo Pyramidologist, with two hundred identified and blocked socks, was actually two brothers, as they claimed. (I.e., AP was Oliver D. Smith, and the brother, later known to be Darryl L. Smith, was creating many accounts.) Both were long-term disruptive. I requested checkuser and Wikipedia socks impersonating Ben Steigmann were shown to be not him, but single sock master both disrupting Wikipedia with impersonations, allegedly promoting Ben Steigmann’s work, and requesting checkuser and then requesting deletion of the work and blocking of Steigmann on Wikiversity. It worked. The work was deleted and Steigmann was blocked.

Evidence led back to RationaWiki and the long-term socking there. Oliver Smith later admitted he had created articles on John Fuerst and Emil O.W. Kirkegaard; looking at those articles showed that they were created by an account, Ben Steigmans. In an email to me, Oliver claimed that this wasn’t impersonation because the name was spelled differently and because it (allegedly) was not Steigmann’s real name.

When I started to look for socks on RationalWiki, and I was just identifying suspected accounts, this was called “doxxing,” though in the only cases where a neutral observer examined what I wrote, they said it wasn’t doxxing. This is all available for review by anyone who cares.

For a long time, Oliver and Darryl  Smith have used RationalWiki as a platform to defame their targets. This has been combined with a campaign to defame anyone who criticized them. The mother of a critic lost her job from complaints from Oliver Smith (and others working with him at the time). Many accounts on social media sites have been terminated because of a combination of impersonation socking and private complaints. I was globally banned by the WikiMedia Foundation Office, apparently because of private complaints. I was never informed of the charges against me, and the WMF claims that there is no appeal. We will see.

(I was in communication with WMF functionaries and had been told that there was no danger that I would be banned, given the facts. But the complaint letters probably lied, and when a number of people agree with lies, administrators, failing to see the connections, may decide to believe the lies.)

The RW article on me describes me as a harasser, but incidents in the past that might be described as harassment were very few. Basically, any request for checkuser could be considered harassment, as an example. I have absolutely no history of massive and disruptive socking. Recent edits on RationalWiki by me are the first time I have edited personally. (I socked for a very brief period in 2011 to demonstrate a process that had worked for other users, it was a method for a banned user to make positive contributions without complicating ban enforcement, it actually represented cooperation with the ban.)

Impersonation socking to defame is a long-term practice of the AP socks, it appears that both Oliver and Darryl have done it.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 16 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 16 March 2018 01:21 – 1:49 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 14:38, 14 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 18:16, 14 March 2018 was me

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 01:54, 13 March 2018 (and 1:56) was me.

March 4 – March 12, I made some edits to User talk:CheeseburgerFace.. (i.e., not even sysops may see them.) There was unnecessary revert warring from AP socks, as I recall, This was simply a request to look at the impersonation socking; CF did not respond for some days. His response, when he showed up, was to hide the whole thing. See the page logs

and CF suppressed the whole sequence, hiding 22 revisions.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ was me. This was a “message to all sincere users.” At that point, I did not know how many there were. I still think there are some, but almost nobody has come forth to actually engage on issues of substance around how RW is being abused. Maybe it’s not being abused. Maybe defamation is the actual purpose, and those parts of the community that didn’t want to participate in that have left.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3A69.181.4.251 was not me, though blocked by GrammarCommie as me. This was probably the real [redacted].

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 22:56, 11 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 18:01, 11 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 19:11, 11 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 15:41, 11 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 15:28, 11 March 2018 (and 15:29) was me. [suppressed edits by CF as above]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 15:05, 11 March 2018  was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 23:49, 9 March 2018 ( – 00:08, 10 March 2018) was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/  22:22, 9 March 2018 (- 23:21} was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 18:57, 9 March 2018 (-18.59) was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 18:41, 9 March 2018  was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 03:27, 6 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 22:08, 5 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 02:21, 6 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/  21:44, 5 March 2018  was me

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 21:14, 5 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 19:05, 5 March 2018 (-19:20) was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 12:17, 5 March 2018 was not me, nor was it a “friend.”

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ was likely an AP troll.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 02:56, 5 March 2018

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 10:40, 4 March 2018 was not me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 02:50, 4 March 2018 (-03:15) was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 02:35, 4 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 03:25, 1 March 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 02:57, 1 March 2018 (-03.06) was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 19:20, 26 February 2018 (-19:36) was me

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 00:08, 26 February 2018 was me.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ 23:55, 25 February 2018 was me.

I looked back to 00:44 18 February, 2018. I found no more IP edits that were mine. During this period there were many, many impersonation socks pretending to be me, and a few IPs the same. Most edits relating to the “Smith brothers” or “cold fusion community” issues were not me, by far. I created no pages in this period. The creation of abusive pages was an AP traint.

It is possible I have missed edits, though certainly not many. I did not  keep records. It is more possible that I have missed impersonations, particularly later on, when the impersonation socks were editing many user pages for users I had no particular connection with. Some of these may show up later, and suggestions and corrections and questions are always welcome.

01:53, 22 March 2018 Rimuru Tempest (talk | contribs | block) blocked (talk) with an expiration time of 314159 seconds (about 3.6 days) (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Harassment) was not me.



If you see this on an archive site, check the original URL to see if it has been updated, errors corrected, responses received, etc.

This page is under construction. Due to restoration from a crash, after starting to recreate it, it has redundant material. It’s a mess. Read it only if insanely interested in following this as it is edited. (This is not a blog post, it is an information page. Blog posts always have a date in the URL. Information pages may exist in information hierarchies, and multiply like bunnies as information is organized, which takes time.)

As the initials imply, this RationalWiki account is Oliver D. Smith, who apparently decided to register a new account at RatWiki, and he has openly acknowledged being the well-known troll and harasser. He is being protected by his brother, Darryl L. Smith, who is currently using Debunking spiritualism (DS), which would be a classic Darryl Smith user name. In a number of communications, Oliver has essentially outed his brother. But this page is about Oliver.

ODS contributions.

The following sequence took the cake, and shows what DS is faced with, attempting to handle his brother. It also shows a small piece of the cross-wiki behavior, with massive socking on Encyclopedia Dramatica (at the same time as ODS crows about small-scale socking by his enemies).

With his first edits he lied about the Emil Kirkegaard page on him. (Archive copy just in case). Contrary to his claims, and as can be seen by reading the Kirkegaard page linked, Kirkegaard did not claim that “every single editor on his article is Oliver Smith.” This is a classic AP straw man argument, both brothers do it. Oliver claims that “Like 90% of the accounts he lists are not mine and he provides no evidence I’m any of these users.” And then, “For example “igobymanynames”/”Skeptical”/”Antifa Ireland”/Dinocrisis etc I’ve never edited or posted on. Basically he’s looked at the history of the [[Emil Kirkegaard]] article, sees it has about 25 editors over past years, now says I’m all of them, when I;m not.”

Kirkegaard made no such claim. He quotes Oliver (in the archived copy): “Also, I created both their entries at Rationalwiki to warn the internet about these people.” (Referring to John Fuerst and Kirkegaard).  Both articles were created by Ben Steigmans, an impersonation account. [redacted, original name has two n’s at the end and no second s] was the user attacked on Wikipedia and Wikiversity by Darryl Smith; the interests are crossover, but Ben Steigmans’ focus was Oliver, and we have Oliver’s admission. Then, showing a screenshot of the edit history, Kirkegaard claims:

Skeptical is Oliver’s chosen sockpuppet in this case. He appears to have spent 2 days writing my page on this occasion. A list of suspected sockpuppets and IP’s is given later

When Kirkegaard wrote that, the extent of Darryl’s socking was not widely known. Skeptical was very likely Darryl, certainly Oliver claims that. Darryl was also definitely some accounts listed by Kirkegaard. AP socks have played on the confusion caused by the massive socking. Oliver claimed, in email to me, that “99.9% ” of the socks I had identified were his twin brother, based apparently on my Rational Wiki article list page. That was an obvious exaggeration, since he was some accounts and I had not claimed a thousand of them.

When I asked Oliver to identify his accounts, he wrote that it would be too much work.  The following identifications are based on the preponderance of the evidence. In many cases, there is not enough evidence to definitively conclude which brother it was, or even that it was an AP sock (and on Wikipedia, suspected socks will be listed based on thin evidence. Many of these end up being confirmed where checkuser is run.) My sense, however, is that few of the identifications listed on the List page are incorrect. The Smiths often claim this is all stupidity, but they don’t actually point out errors. Notice, the only error Oliver claims is that certain accounts were not him. But that allows them to be his brother, and the two have created massive confusion.

(The following has not yet been thoroughly researched. Links will be added as found)

  1. Asgardian
  2. Aza]
  3. Skeptical probably Darryl
  4. Welliver I suspected Oliver, from interest, but other evidence points to Darryl.
  5. Antifa Ireland single edit to RW. Oliver interest, but Oliver denies.
  6. BenSteigmans
  7. OldSword
  8. Krom As I recall, Oliver admitted this.
  9. Kromscape Encyclopedia Dramatica, definitely Oliver
  10. Krom1991 Reddit account, Oliver from interest
  11. Atlantid well known.
  12. BlackGoatCabal early Smith account
  13. Scionic Evil old account, widely identified as Oliver
  14. AngloSaxon
  15. Hyperboreanar
  16. pyramidologist old account
  17. Truthseeker
  18. cassiterides
  19. Anglo_Pyramidologist
  20. Boglin the name would indicate Darryl
  21. Thule
  22. DinoCrisis certainly Darryl
  23. PS2  see the RW account contributions
  24. Goosebumps the name would be Darryl
  25. Arcticos
  26. Atlantid
  27. Onion_hotdog
  28. Morpheus
  29. Dale
  30. HaraldBluetooth the name would indicate Oliver
  31. BenSteigmann ( Reddit impersonation)
  32. BenSteigmans (RatWiki impersonation)
  33. EvilGremlin
  34. Jean_Lusaz
  35.  … and 100s more (list heremeta-Wiki investigation found ~190 sockpuppets) [most of these socks could be Darryl, though.]

This is a list of suspected Anglo Pyramidologist socks and I have seen many more not yet added to the above list. The socks claimed that the original AP account was not the same as the massive army of socks that have been blocked as AP. I consider this likely to be true. It was Darryl (as Oliver said in 2011 and repeated recently.) However, I have bolded accounts that I would consider Oliver, and have put in italics accounts where I don’t have an opinion. I have not yet researched some of the names, but out of a list of 31 specific names (as this was originally), 15 appear to be Oliver. That’s quite about more than “90% not me” would suggest.

That was not a list of editors of the Emik Kirkegaard article. See the list page for a non-yet-up-to-date list of suspected AP socks (which would include Oliver and Darryl).  (and the same for the talk page).

The use of straw man arguments has been common, for both Darryl and Oliver. They depend on most users not carefully checking sources, reading them with expectation bias.

(I will continue with this page, to add what Oliver Smith revealed as to his Encyclopedia Dramatica activity, and how his twin reacted to this.)

User talk:ODS history currently shows DS hiding edits, including mine (expected) but also very embarrassing edits by Oliver.

ODS had published the WikiMedia Foundation response to his emailed complaint about me. DS advised that this was unwise. Gee, I found it quite useful!

First of all, there was [ material added] to ODS talk that extensively explored the account history. It was reverted by Darryl as DS.

What this will come to is a trolling page added to the Encyclopedia Dramatica Forum, created by Oliver, with proof that this was him from the timing of his creation and archiving, and adding the archive link to his user talk page, in response to a comment that pointed to his very recent ED socks. He did not deny the socks (which were obvious), but attacked. The page he created may be seen here:  http://archive.is/oAiGe

He has not changed his behavior at all. His brother tries to hide it…. Meanwhile, in many places, Oliver outs Debunking spiritualism as his brother, and denies that the massive socking was him. He is lying, but behind that is a likely truth: much of the socking that has been blamed on “Anglo Pyramidologist” was actually his twin.

Right now, I only see two active socks (aside from socks impersonating me): ODS and DS.

A system reset — Windows Update Sucks! — caused the disappearance of this content from a previous version of this page. This is now a mess. But it does show what is mentioned above. I will clean this up later.
If this page is seen through an archived copy, check the original URL for possible revisions or corrections. Errors may be noted in comments here, and replies from affected parties will be allowed, as long as they are not, themselves, illegal.

This page will document the RationalWiki user ODS, who is openly Oliver D. Smith. He is widely known to have a twin brother, Darryl L. Smith. First, a brief incident.

Because there was a section there discussing me, I had commented on User talk:ODS.  This was later collapsed by Debunking spiritualism which is DS, the twin brother, convenient as a name. DS, in his comment accompanying the collapse, lied about the content of my blog pages. That’s been typical.

Cheeseburger face had pointed out that the alleged doxxing above wasn’t. (That is one reason I reached out to him, but . . . too bad. So far, he is either actively enabling AP socks or he has his head firmly wedged in the sand. I had actually been careful, but AP socks call any identification of their accounts “doxxing.” Whereas they freely identify the accounts of others . . . and practically nothing is done about it.)

ODS commented on his talk page. It’s been revision-deleted. He wrote:

 I have to laugh at crazies like Lomax calling me an “internet harasser” for merely documenting and debunking pseudo-scientists. Also, the vast majority (90%+) of my articles creations for past 6 years are/were not on people e.g. [[Multiregional hypothesis]]. So he just cherry picks a few articles, disregarding my main contributions that have helped many people over the years. What a nutcase.[[User:ODS|ODS]] ([[User talk:ODS|talk]]) 07:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Of course, here ODS admits being Oliver D. Smith (as he has in many places, no biggie), but . . . Oliver D. Smith is widely known as a harasser, and little of it has to do with “documenting and debunking pseudoscientists.” This page will document some of that history. However, what has come up is that at least some of the most serious harassment, that got me involved in the first place, was not him, but his brother, DS. But that is not the point here, it’s coming up.

After a series of sock puppets were created on Encyclopedia Dramatica, and with discussion of me standing on User talk:ODS, I dropped a post there.

How is ED treating you?

Hey, Oliver, have you created enough socks on the Dramatica Encyclopedia? I don’t see any today. Are you sick, or what? Wait! Never mind! What am I thinking?

You are sick!

Temple OldKnight Oedipus Stesichorus Corinna Anoncreon Run Herodotus

By the way, “average male life expectancy” of, say, 76, doesn’t mean that if you are 66, you have an average of ten years to live. That’s from birth. Average male life expectancy at 66 is another 17 years. Your education is quite deficient. — (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Some comments about this post: RatWiki has an edit filter that prevents naming or linking to Encyclopedia Dramatica. I have, here, linked to the sock accounts, that was not done in the post. But, of course, Oliver knew full well that they were his. It’s not deniable. The comment about age was in reference to this edit of his.

Further, this was trolling. a form of harassment. It is normally reprehensible. There are exceptions. What I found, more or less by accident (including observing their interaction with others), is that when they are trolled, AP socks (Darryl and Oliver) often respond with actions that reveal more information, and information is the advantage I have, I have no “weapon” other than the collection of true evidence. Darryl Smith basically declared war on me on the WMF wikis, threatened what actually came to pass.

(Two wrongs don’t make a right, but sometimes they right wrongs, and this is ancient law, and the ancient law also limits such reactions. I have done nothing with the Smith brothers that they have not done with others, more extensively and without justice.)

I continue to trust the truth. What Oliver had written was also trolling, you can judge what was more reprehensible. In context, “harming back” can not only be allowable, but obligatory. These people have harmed many, over many years. He had written:

You will be dead old man, so why bother with this?

You’re 74 years old, and the average life-expectancy for a male in the US is 76.9 (77).

So why bother with this pointless internet feud and stalking my family? You will (hopefully) be dead in 3 years, and all the nonsense and lies you write on your blog will be deleted. You’re just wasting the final years of your life with this. Herodotus (talk) 11:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

To answer his question here, I “bother with this” because I care about the society that I will leave behind. Oliver is an anti-natalist, who believes that having children is immoral. So he only thinks about himself. Consistent with his beliefs, his parents were immoral to have children. There has been no “stalking” of his “family,” only documentation of the harassment managed by his brother and him. My blog has a backup administrator, it is not likely to disappear. While it is possible I won’t live long, Oliver’s understanding of life expectancy was deranged, like much of what he writes. Now, this comes to the real point.

Oliver responded to that comment. I can imagine his brother seeing it. “Idiot! Why don’t you keep your mouth shut!” Oliver’s response apparently kept him up late, photoshopping.

http://archiv e.is/oAiGe ODS (talk) 03:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

This was all revision-hid by Debunking spiritualism (i.e., Darryl Smith).

This was perfect. Oliver could not link to Encyclopedia Dramatica, the edit filter will prevent it. But they cannot filter out archive.is, they use it extensively. They could filter out an individual page, but anyone could re-archive a page and bypass that. In any case, the archive shows Oliver Smith in all his trolling glory. Really. It’s hilarious. The archive is timestamped 13 Mar 2018 03:39:01 UTC, and it shows the comment as being created “1 minute ago.” Then his RW edit linking to it was at 03:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC).

This definitively shows that ODS on RW wrote that attack thread, and archived it and then linked to it, and the context confirms what as already obvious: he was the ED editors named, and they connect with other editors there, eventually I may document them, but the ED socking has been so voluminous, I’m not sure I’ll get to it.

His brother, DS, didn’t see this, apparently, until 10:46, 13 March 2018 . DS removed not only my comments, but his brother’s, and revision-deleted, covering up for his brother. The comments were archived only a few minutes before DS removed them. I did not do that, then. I believed I had archived the material, but couldn’t find it….

ODS, meanwhile, was today given autoconfirmed status. Does RoninMachbeth know what he or she did? I don’t know. RM is generally sane, but RatWiki is a corrupted and corrupting environment.

Was RoninMacbeth aware that ODS triggered the edit filter 9 times as of today?

(Some of these were innocuous, to be sure, though they show the Oliver Smith obsessions.)

There are secret filters that are not documented in the log. March 4, ODS was attempting to edit the Saloon bar. His edits including that time are here. My guess is that he was attempting to mention the Encyclopedia Dramatica article on Oliver Keyes, or on Emil Kirkegaard — which links to it. Naughty. There is a lot more that could be said about Oliver Keyes, but not here and not now.

March 7, a minute later, Oliver edited the Chicken coop.

I don’t see how anyone could miss it, if they look. This is the infamous Oliver D. Smith. The possible problem is that ODS is a serious troll and will use the ability to edit protected pages. How much difference this will make, I don’t know. (None of my comments anywhere should be construed as defending Rightpedia, which is beyond racialist and deep into racism, unapologetically. They do have a copy of a public record showing the former home residence for Oliver and Darryl, and, in addition, the names and ages of other residents. Contrary to frequent claims, I did show the data from that briefly, but quickly redacted it, it now shows only the two names — as highly relevant to the socking — and the UK postal code. The street name has been removed, but AP socks continue to claim, long after it was removed, that I publish their home address, It is not on this blog. [January 27, 2019:, more has been published, actually, on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Plausible. By objecting to it, Oliver has confirmed it, as he did before.]

(Remember, I was accused of promoting the “paranoid RationalWiki Smith brothers conspiracy theory, and my RW article still calls me a “conspiracy theorist,” and still has:

He now uses his personal blog to spread a paranoid conspiracy theory and misinformation campaign that the two brothers described above created and edited his article, for which there exists no evidence.[63]

This is a straw man argument. I identified a family of socks, using the Wikipedia name Anglo Pyramidologist. That family was originally, in 2011, self-identified as two brothers. I did not distinguish between them. Nor, in fact, did I emphasize the “brother theory.” I considered it likely, but did not publish it until I had far more direct evidence, much more recently. The two brothers did not create and edit my article. One of them did, and this would be Darryl Smith. So showing that there were two brothers, twins, that shared residence at some recent point, which could cause checkuser identification, was important. to the research. The actual address was not so important. The geolocation was, and the house location is still on the map, but not precisely, just good enough to show how the IP addresses locate with respect to the residence.

This was not an attempt at harassment. If harassment were my motive, this would not have been on an obscure page that hardly anyone would have noticed except for Darryl Smith obsessively following everything. They accuse others of stalking, but stalking (of me and others) became totally obvious very early on, and what was done to create my RW article was detailed and extensive searching of everything Darryl could find. And this was obvious, and, like many other article targets before, when I simply responded on RatWiki, I was desysopped and then blocked.

Oliver and Darry Smith were being protected, this became obvious, and the extent of this is still becoming visible.

March 10, 14:14. A minute later, this edit. 

Michael Coombs is an obsession of Oliver’s. This is “mikemikev,” and a checkusered Darryl Smith sock (that’s a long story) pointed to mikemikev as a suspect for the sock master. It tricked one sysop for a time. I never trusted it, don’t trust SPAs bearing gifts, unless they can be verified. (They may point to “evidence,” but evidence can be misleading if taken out of context. These sock masters are expert at setting that up.)

Obsession with Michael Coombs is an Oliver Smith characteristic. (There are many of these, as will be found by anyone who actually studies the history, and we now have the benefit of beyond-doubt Oliver Smith accounts, admitted openly to be him.) So this shows up in the next filter triggers:

March 13, Oliver was putting together this edit.

Update January 27, 2019

I will add recent accounts here and later will add other Oliver accounts to extend the list. Most accounts before were classified as “Anglo Pyramidologist,” which is not specific to Oliver, even though he was the original Wikipedia editor by that name. Oliver has claimed that most disruptive accounts were his brother, Darry L. Smith. As distinct from Darryl, Oliver, of late, has created short-term accounts. He “retires” then starts new ones. (Both Smith brothers do that, commonly.)

  • Buxton Obvious. Buxton is allowed to claim that another account is “Wyatt,” but if an IP announces that Buxton is Oliver, it is to be immediately blocked and the page deleted. But the deletion log makes the point: 20:44, 18 November 2018 GrammarCommie(talk | contribs) deleted page User:Buxton(Harassment: content was: “Note to mods, Buxton is another Oliver D Smith sock account.…”, and the only contributor was “” ([[User talk:82.132… Wyatt was not banned, but blocked as Merkel by Debunking spiritualism (Darryl) in his last spree (before disappearing with the claim that I had hacked his account). Oliver had cooped Merkel as Wyatt and it failed. It appears that the average RW sysop is nearly brain dead, or they want this troll protected. Pick one. (The cooping comes very close to admitting that ODS and DS are brothers.)
  • Punisher claims to be Oliver here.
  • JosephGreen entirely focused on Oliver obsession.
  • Nissan common pages with Oliver socks: Octo, M87, Buxton
  • Aeschylus has come back after almost a year.


This story has legs. See Oliver desperate and Oliver D. Smith/Smith on Smith (the latter page has a copy of a bio that Oliver wrote about himself on RationalWiki, then when it was deleted, blamed it on Mikemikev.) Aeschylus has clearly claimed to be Oliver, there is no doubt about it, not that it was in doubt anyway.

Because he is being sued, because he revealed that on RatWiki, the sysop who gave him sysop tools has not only desysopped him, but blocked him indefinitely.

Oliver created biographies as hit pieces, pursuing private vendettas, and used RationalWiki because it was open for that. He misrepresented sources, all with blatant defamatory intention. The RatWikians think the articles are missional, but in fact, that aspect to the RatWiki mission was largely created by Oliver and his brother Darryl. Before them (starting in roughly 2012)  it was not filled with hit pieces. Oliver convinced RatWiki that the targets were worthy of condemnation even if there was little or no connection with the RatWiki mission. He and his brother learned to weaponize the wiki.

And he’s back

Doesn’t take him long. Oliver is back, using an old account, Arcticos. These are so obvious. I spotted it as a redlinked user name in Recent Changes. Sure enough, contributions made it obvious. Oliver Smith, not a doubt. He’s ranting about Encyclopedia Dramatica, where I was blocked the other day, by the same admin who blocked a series of Oliver Smith socks. He never mentions that part!

The history of Arcticos:

logs. Registered 13 July 2015.

Immediately attacked Mikemikev, first edit.

At this point, that this was Oliver was already highly likely. In the next few edits, Arcticos continued the attack. Posts displayed strong Oliver traits, which I’m not going to list because WP:BEANS.

Then, two days later, Krom (clearly admitted and well-known Oliver sock) showed up on Talk:Racialism.

Arcticos was inactive until two days in November, 2016, when he made another series of Oliver Obvious edits. Atlantis. RomeViharo (which could indicate Darryl Smith, the twin brother, but attacking Viharo became routine for Oliver also. Talk:Racialism.

16:56, 2 November 2016 FuzzyCatPotato (talk | contribs) blocked Arcticos (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of 314159 seconds (about 3.6 days) (account creation disabled) (mikemikev or troll again)

Classic RatWiki idiocy. This was not at all like Mikemikev. “Troll,” yes, but Oliver is nothing if not a troll. He creates articles on RatWiki to annoy and irritate enemies, as revenge for this or that disagreement. Why did FuzzyCatPotato block? Well, Oliver made an intelligent argument on Talk:Racialism, and Mikemikev also makes intelligent arguments. So by making an intelligent argument, and Oliver knows far more about racism and racialism than FCP, FCP assumed it was Mikemikev. So many RatWiki users think in cartoons.

Usually Oliver just disappears when blocked. I think I have never seen him request unblock except many years ago. The block expired in a few days, and then Arcticos was silent for well over two years, showing up 17 February 2019  with even more Obvious Oliver. That first day back, having been blocked as Mikemikev or a troll, he edited Anatoloy Karlin, an article he had created as SkepticDave as part of his attack on anyone who pointed out how he had presented misleading evidence about Emil Kirkegaard, which he simply denies without evidence, emphasizing “child rape apologism,” and then two edits to my article, and a comment on the Talk page, he was granted autoconfirmed by Paleonictis, and, the next day, with more Oliver Obvious, sysop by Dysklyver, who had just a few days before blocked Oliver as Aeschylus “for his own good.” Oliver is still doing the same things. “Child rape apologist” is almost as defamatory as “child rapist.”

Oliver does this: if anyone points out that Emil Kirkegaard did not actually condone child rape, that to think so requires taking a quotation out of context, ignoring the rest of his post (where he suggests that the idea was a very bad one, and that perhaps the only ethical solution if one is a pedophile is castration), he then attacks them for “defending pedophilia” or “defending a child rape apologist.” He creates news by misleading reporters and then reports the news created as proof of his claims. In the Karlin article, we see pure guilt by association in what he added. He bragged about causing that media coverage on the London Conference on Intelligence to appear; he not only wrote the RationalWiki article but he also directly communicated with reporters. Why would they call him? He was still trying to maintain some anonymity then. No, he called them and he fed them the same garbage as he has long fed RationalWiki.

He actually hates RationalWiki, at least he has acknowledged that elsewhere. But he has found it very useful for attacking his “enemies.” And if they respond, then, of course, they “have a problem with RationalWiki,” and the RationalWikians all rush to defend the wiki from these trolls and banned users.

There are those who love the drama, and those who are using RationalWiki for their own purposes.

So with his brand new sysop tools (which he has held many, many times, and still has sysop accounts, we think), what does he do?

02:01, 19 February 2019 Arcticos (talk | contribs | block) blocked Street scoop (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Block evasion: abd lomax) (unblock | change block)

02:11, 19 February 2019 Arcticos (talk | contribs | block) protected Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (expires 00:00, 18 February 2020) [Move=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (expires 00:00, 18 February 2020) (Excessive vandalism) (hist | change)

What was the “vandalism” Street scoop had only two edits. In one, he followed up on a comment  on Talk:David Gerard where Street Guy had made a misleading comment about my activity. (Street Guy could be Darryl) Street scoop gave links to the posts that Street Guy had mentioned.

And then yesterday, Street scoop similarly added a link to verify what Arcticos had pointed to, the actual Arcticos edit not actually showing anything to substantiate the claim made, other than “blocked,”

What articles did I allegedly create? The one who has created many, many defamatory articles on Encyclopedia Dramatica is Oliver, and he has hundreds of blocked sock puppets there. I have, at this point, one blocked account, blocked without warning, for doing what had previously been done by long-time ED users.

I wrote about it here, and it is obvious that Street scoop, at least, reads some of my work. So he linked to an archive.is copy of that article. It’s an interesting article, because it shows Oliver describing himself how he wants to be seen, not as he would be described by Mikemikev, on whom he blamed the article when he wanted to distinguish his obvious sock from the one who had created one of the articles probably mentioned in the lawsuit filed against him. By claiming that Mikemikev was the author, he was then able to delete the article immediately.

Claiming that an article was created by Oliver D. Smith, even though Smith has in many places (including where his identity was validated independently, such as emails to me, from a public address) admitted to creating them, has been and remains grounds for immediately blocking the user and often hiding their edits. This kind of operational bias has been going on for a long time on RationalWiki, but it used to be that RW actually welcomed dissent. Dissenters were more likely to give up from being gratutiously and commonly insulted than from being blocked. That changed over the years, and a large part of that shift may be related to the ramping up of use of the wiki by the Smith brothers, who have created hundreds of socks, possibly thousands. I keep finding more; they are obvious once one knows what to look for. It is possible that there are socks designed to not be so visible, socks that avoid the obvious signals, and that, then, the accounts that do show such signs are throwaway. But what I find remarkable is that even the obvious socks are protected and specially privileged. Rapid assignment of ops is common, whereas other users, with no problems and good edits, may not be opped for a long, long time.

I suspect off-wiki communication, requests for ops. It happens a bit too often to be a coincidence.

And if it wasn’t clear what is going on, another sleeper appeared, Jean. From those contributions, even before the edit to my article, I’d suspect Jean as a sock of Oliver. The interests of Jean are identical with Oliver. Then, the edit to Rightpedia is diagnostic. Who would know about the “demise of Wrongpedia”? Very, very few. It all aligns. Two hours after the Street scoop edit to my article, Jean reverted that edit claiming “sock of Abd Lomax.” The edit itself appears harmless, adding a related link to substantiate what Oliver (Arcticos) had added.

1 minute after that edit by Jean, Arcticos blocked Street scoop. Log out, log in. That is not enough time to communicate, say by email. It was at 2 AM their time. To be sure, it is possible that they communicated first and that Jean then did the revert. But Street Guy was already sure that Street scoop was Abd.

Right, is that you Lomax? By the duck dest and log in times, Abd Lomax or an associate of his (maybe Rome Viharo) is “rationalwiki” guy, playing a false game to cause this drama, he is desperate to try and close down this website because of his own article. According to JzG a Wikipedia admin – Lomax has a history of impersonation. If you check Lomax’ blog he is requesting for Kendrick to sue Rationalwiki (Don’t link to the Lomax blog though, it contains apparent dox). [[User:Street Guy|Street Guy]] ([[User talk:Street Guy|talk]]) 21:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

(Who would have been in communication with JzG? Oliver and/or Darryl Smith, that’s who. I have never impersonated, and JzG, to my knowledge, has never claimed I have. JzG is such an implacable enemy, as revenge for my getting him reprimanded by ArbCom on Wikipedia, that when the impersonation sock issue was live on Wikipedia and Wikiversity, he might have suspected me of creating that whole mess — but for what purpose? — but . . . I never impersonated anyone. Yet there are many many socks created on RationalWiki that impersonated me. Naive RatWiki users lap it up. Clever technique they use. They vandalize RationalWiki with text copied from me, often adding a twist, like a threat of lawsuit, or claims that so-and-so is a sock — when I have made no such claim nor do I even suspect it.)

(and what was “false” about that post? It was verifiable. David Gerard did not object to it. Street Guy was making false claims with no evidence at all.)

(rationalwiki guy was probably Darryl Smith, following up on his rather novel impersonation tactic. Socks had claimed that Skeptic from Britain was a certain young man, name and links given, but, oddly, no links to his Wikipedia account — under his real name. And then the SfB account “retired” because of the “harassment.” In fact, Jimbo Wales, a few days later, called SfB an “abusive POV pusher” or something like that. So people were angry with the other young man — who was completely innocent –, and Darryl, who was obviously Skeptic from Britain, had not been mentioned. So I pointed that out, and discussed the implications, hence the attack on David Gerard talk. The Wikipedia account was not mentioned because it would then be obvious that this was a user who had disagreed strongly with Skeptic from Britain on his WP talk page. Oddly, though, I had been alerted to the whole mess by Oliver Smith, who trolled me on Encyclopedia Dramatica, where I had been paying no attention, which must have unfuriated him, so he “made a joke” that I was Skeptic from Britain, and claimed he was going to tell all those angry people. Meanwhile Michaeldsuarez, a long-time reliable ED user (yes, there was such a thing at one time), pointed out that Oliver knew it was his brother, Oliver had disclosed this on the ED Forum, and posted screenshots. So why did Oliver effectively out his brother. All is not well in Smithland, I suspect. Having a schizophrenic brother can wreak havoc on family unity and one’s nice little schemes for profit from “skeptical organizations,” which has been hinted at by both Darryl and Oliver. Probably JREF or something connected with Tim Farley (Oliver claimed he had lied to Farley in an email to me, pretending to be his brother, after the S had hit the F and it was all unravelling, one more desperate attempt to reduce harm, but they never do what would actually clean it up: simply tell the truth.

I’m not sure that Oliver even knows what the truth is. And that is not an attack, it’s a possibility. He’s on the dole, apparently. Young man, 29, apparently living with his parents. (or are they his parents?) Regardless, these trolls have done a lot of damage, wasted many people’s time, gotten people fired (the mother of the owner of Kiwi Farms), caused harassment and blocks based on lies and impersonations, and destroyed the academic independence of Wikiversity, something I always knew was possible, but it had not really happened until they arranged it. They did exactly what they threatened to do if I continued to gather the public information about their activities on WikiMedia Foundation wikis.

Anyone who interferes with their agenda can expect to be attacked, both on the related web sites and anywhere they can find some traction. I have a daughter who is somewhat notable, easy to find. She got an email warning her that he didn’t know if her father was a pedophile, but he was defending them. Many others have reported similar retaliations.

I have not seen signs of Darryl activity on RationalWiki since the last edits of John66, over a month since this writing.

Another 10 minutes later, Arcticos protected the article, “excessive vandalism.” What vandalism? The only users to edit the article since August, 2018, had been sysops and Jean, and one edit by Street scoop, which was certainly not vandalism, it merely substantiated the claim, but perhaps in a way that Oliver would not want, exposing his own activity.

That article was actually created by Darryl, Oliver’s twin brother, as “attack by Google,” which the brothers are fond of accusing others of. For what? Well, I had documented the socks of Anglo Pyramidologist. (The name on the Wikipedia Sock Puppet Investigations archive, known to be Oliver and Darryl Smith), and in particular the impersonation socks used to attack a user and resources on Wikiversity. I had not outed them, except once I used a URL that contained the name of Oliver Smith, which was immediately deleted, the revision hidden, then the rest of it restored. Those studies and the vigilance created had led to many successful checkuser requests and then, rather suddenly, the wind shifted. There were obviously off-wiki communications. A steward became openly hostile, for no known reason. There were private complaints to the WikiMedia Foundation (later admitted) that lied about events. And then the big news, that Abd was “office banned,” which is indeed very rare. Office bans are not explained, even to the banned user. (But, of course, the Smiths tell the world why the person was banned, even though there is no actual evidence that doesn’t come from the Smiths. As I have seen over and over, the Smiths create news that they then report. Rome Viharo was banned on Reddit. What is quite clear is that there were many complaints, from many socks, and the Smiths do know how to make it look like socks are not the same user. Administrators seeing many complaints, and especially if they seem to come from different people, will often block first and ask questions later, if, indeed, they ever ask questions.

It is obvious: anyone pointing out how RationalWiki is being abused is to be immediately exiled, and then, of course, if they object and use socks or IP, they are “block evaders” to be blocked with no further thought. But if a sock appears that is Oliver or Darryl Smith, no matter how obvious, they are welcomed with ops. There are policies which are totally ignored. Ban first, rigorously enforced, and then maybe a chicken cooping, occasionally with the person not allowed to defend themselves.

It is a system wide open for abuse. It didn’t matter so much when RW was a joke wiki, designed to annoy Conservapedia. No wiki is a reliable source, but the Smith brothers learned how to create “sourced” claims that are based on even gross misinterpretations of sources. If they can put up what the RatWikians will consider a “killer quote,” they do it. And then later the sometimes-scurrilous accusation are preserved because “sourced.”

Oliver is getting desperate as RatWiki gets wise. Well, some get wise. Some may need a pie in the face or something drastic.

Every so often I look at RatWiki for the lulz. Today I see my name being bandied about. With a little history, (described in detail above):

19 February 2019, Arcticos (Oliver Smith) edited the RatWiki article on me, adding news from ED, and labelling me “King of the Trolls.” Pot/Kettle/Black. If am a troll at all. I took out a Wikipedia sysop by dangling defiance in his face, and, yes, I knew how he would respond. Technically, that was trolling. But nothing else was working, the guy had too many friends. Blocking me in the middle of an ArbCom case over whether he had the right to unilaterally ban me and enforce his own ban, was a bridge too far for even his faction. Making it very obvious who he is, Arcticos wrote:

However, in Feburary [sic] 2019, Encyclopedia Dramatica permanently banned Lomax for attacking other editors by creating defamatory articles about them. http://archive.is/owjUS [(as common for Oliver, link shows nothing of the kind)]

19 February 2019, Dysklyver removed the King of the Trolls caption, “Title disputed.”

19 February 2019, Arcticos added more hyperbole and a different link: http://archive.is/WiyJi , which also does not confirm the claim.

23:38, 18 February 2019, Street scoop corrected the spelling and added a link to point to an allegedly defamatory article. (That article was easy to find, because I had pointed to the page. I was blocked because the article was “unfunny,” and because that admin had blocked a series of Oliver socks and I knew that he might block me if I edited anything about Oliver at all, or maybe just anything. A touchy kind of guy, very much Obay Ma Authorite. Anticipating the possibility, I had archived the page *immediately* and also pointed to it on Talk:Oliver D. Smith. So anyone could have found it by reviewing the contributions display Oliver put up and by suspecting an archiving and checking — or by reading my blog, since I mentioned it here.

02:00, 19 February 2019Jean, possibly Oliver or Darryl (interests cross over), reverted, with “sock of abd lomax”

02:01, 19 February 2019, Arcticos blocked Street scoop. From the timing, Arcticos is likely to be Jean.

02:11, 19 February 2019, Arcticos protected the page, “excessive vandalism.”

03:53, 19 February 2019, Arcticos fixed the spelling error Jean had reverted back in.

16:12, 21 February 2019, Dysklyver cleaned up the article, removing non-missional Smith rants (The whole article might be non-missional, though that may be about to change.)

18:08, 21 February 2019‎, Dysklyver  (Removed protection from “Abd ul-Rahman Lomax“: the vandals interested in this page are sysops already)

The next piece of business is classic Smith trolling. It works, at least on RatWiki, and sometimes elsewhere, which is why they keep doing it.

20:14, 21 February 2019‎ Lomax_is_back reverted: Undo revision 2044222 by Dysklyver

“Ah, that will not look like Lomax, it will look more like Oliver, so I better vandalize some.”

20:15, 21 February 2019  Lomax_is_back replaced lead with Abd ul-Rahman Lomax will close down rationalwiki

20:18, 21 February 2019‎ Ikanreed reverted Lomax is back with (I don’t even know who this person is or why your username references them, and frankly I don’t care. This edit sucks.) 

Gee, who could it be? Let me think … The article is about Lomax and the account is named “Lomax is back”. Probably Mikemikev, maybe Rome Viharo or one of the other trolls. Mikemikev, however is not hostile to Lomax, nor are the others, but there is someone who wants the article to be semiprotected, the person who protected it in the first place. And that person has a long history of impersonations, and uses them to great effect. Hint: the fast easy guess, when Smith brothers are involved, is usually wrong. They are not subtle. Real sock masters only rarely telegraph who they are. Impersonators do, that’s the point!

And by the way, I will not publicly answer questions about non-disruptive socks, socks that do not violate site policies (other than possibly “block evasion”), and I recommend the same to others. It used to be Wikipedia policy that checkusers would not investigate alleged socks unless they were disruptive, and accusing someone of socking was considered uncivil unless done through formal process with disruption. Gradually, in spite of an early understanding that content was more important than identity, obedience to authority took over.

20:24, 21 February 2019 DuceMoosolini  blocked Lomax is back  with an expiration time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Ban evasion:: I breathlessly await the day when you manage to close down Rationalwiki)

This idiot is a moderator. The quality of moderators has gone way down since I was active on RatWiki. The person behind the sock is doing everything he can to abuse RationalWiki, including creating legal difficulties, at least for himself, but also possibly for the project. It has never been my goal to “close down RationalWiki” and all the socks claiming that were impersonations. Most accounts blocked as me on RatWiki have been impersonations. I used to disclose all socks, but it did no good at all, so if I sock again I will not disclose it. The behavior of others is trained by how we treat them.

20:44, 21 February 2019‎ Cold fusions reverted.

20:45, 21 February 2019 DuceMoosolini  blocked Coldfusions (Block evasion: fuck off already)

This is standard RatWiki insanity, sysops get their rocks off telling “block evaders” to fuck off. This, with any self-respecting block evader, will encourage more evasion, it’s like clockwork. Most RatWiki sysops are not aware of WP:INSULT. Or they DGAF. If they want more trolling, their behavior is perfect. Encyclopedia Dramatica wants more trolling! In order to stop troll sock attacks, ED shut down account registration, which, I am sure, caused that troll great joy. He won!

But does RatWiki want more drama? How does this further the mission? Comments like that on RatWiki will be called “concern trolling.” Charming, they are. Not.

These trolling accounts were almost certainly a Smith brother. Oliver claimed that most troll socks, impersonations, were Darryl. Then he claimed he was lying. Then he took it all back. In periods when Darryl is active, it can be possible to tell, otherwise, what is very clear is that when the Smiths are involved, and when it serves their purposes, massive troll socking, with provocative names, appear.

20:45, 21 February 2019 Bongolian semi-protected the article with “Excessive vandalism: Chronic vandalism by abd “.

This is typical for Bongolian. Also a moderator. It was exactly the response the vandal wanted.

I have never vandalized RationalWiki. Not ever. All vandalism claimed to be me has been impersonation, generally blatant (like this), since they want to blame it on me. Unless as impersonation, where it is illegal but often effective, vandalism is pointless, all it does is to waste some time of RatWiki users. That’s not enough benefit. I prefer to document what actually happens.

00:17, 22 February 2019‎ LeftyGreenMario edited the section on ED. Did he notice that the link does not support the claim in the text? Did he become curious and look for that “defamatory article?” Did he check to see why I was blocked? I rather doubt it. He’s stupid, not necessarily vicious. Actually, most RatWikians are teenagers or not much older, social misfits. Exceptions are rare. Genuine skeptics who have become involved burn out rapidly.

They lie about my position on skepticism. Skepticism is essential to science, one is not “pseudoskeptical” merely by disagreeing with something. “Pseudoskeptical” is pretend skepticism that is actually a belief in something without clear evidence. Gary Taubes is now under attack by a Darryl sock. He is a genuine skeptic, he wrote the classic book on Bad Science (referring to cold fusion). He is also documenting and writing books about Bad Science in other areas, some of which have become information cascades, where something is accepted as “mainstream” through reputation and not through actual clear science. The author of the RatWiki article is either ignorant or lies. For example, the Atkins diet does not encourage high protein. That is an old myth. The diet is HFLC, i.e., high fat, low carb, moderate protein.

Expose mainstream idiocy (which he did, quite effectively), and there will be plenty who will attack in return, providing lots of quotes for the RatWiki trolls. The Wikipedia article has problems, but is much more neutral and fair.

As to the RatWiki article, if someone creates a straw man argument, attributing it to the article target, that then becomes a source to smear the target with the argument. There is a highly critical quotation from a skeptical physician, but the actual review contradicts much of what the article claims. This is a disagreement, focusing mostly on other issues, where the physician indulges in some hyperbole, while, in fact, agreeing with much, and what he asserted as what Taubes is “preaching” is not a fair representation of Taubes’ actual positions.

RatWiki “skepticism” tends to be a belief in the infallibility of the mainstream, which is definitely not “scientific.” They use “skeptic” about what they call “pseudoscience,” which means, for them, whatever they believe is wrong; if someone is skeptical about mainstream opinion, they are called “denialists,” “pseudoscientists,” “quacks,” or “cranks.” In the cited physician article, much of the “mainstream” view is rejected. This kind of cherry-picking is common, not only on RatWiki, but also on Wikipedia. The physician joins Taubes in cautioning against confirmation bias. An editor searching for material with a slant can find it!

On and on

2019/02/24 at 23:17 (UT), using an open proxy, a troll, calling himself “Chinese Communist,”  posted a comment to the Dysklyver page here. It pointed to the Wikipedia Contributions page for Deleet (Emil Kirkegaard) and claimed he had been “banned.” Calling a block a “ban” is a common Oliver trope. He claims that “six people” emailed the WikiMedia Foundation about his “racist edits.” He named one of them, in fact. I’m not repeating it because nothing from this troll is reliable. There may be a core of truth, though, which could be that he, and certain others, in collaboration, emailed the Foundation or ArbComm. That is more or less how I was Office-banned. No warning, no explanation, and then the Smiths claimed it was for this or that, and they have even claimed a list of complainants, most of whom were plausible. But “plausible is not proof.”

However, Deleet has not been banned. He has been blocked without explanation, and he may appeal to the Committee, and his email access was left so he could do that, authenticated as the user. This would be common ArbComm practice in certain situations and there is an obvious possibility. I suspect he was accused of threatening Wikipedia users with legal action.

Technically, that should not disallow off-wiki warnings of a defamation action, the policy on No Legal Threats only applies to on-wiki threats, but the Committee is not always precise in its responses. Without knowing what actually happened, it is impossible to assess this.

ArbComm would be very unlikely to ban a user privately for “racist edits.” (The Office might. I’m half-way hoping they do, because it would be nice to add another plaintiff to what I intend to file tomorrow.)

That Emil Kirkegaard is a likely plaintiff in the very real lawsuit against Oliver Smith (which was just claimed to be a Mikemikev fantasy, do they actually believe that people will trust them?) could be a relevant fact to an ArbComm decision. I have no information as to whether or not Deleet has questioned or appealed this. Frankly, he doesn’t need Wikipedia for anything.

So, I thought, if this is a Smith, he will not wait long to announce it on Rational Wiki. I looked. Sure enough, eight minutes.

23:24, 24 February 2019 User account Muslim guy (talk | contribs) was created
23:30, 24 February 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+607)‎ . . Talk:Emil Kirkegaard ‎ (Adding comment about his recent ban)
00:26, 25 February 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+180)‎ . . N Talk:Alt-center ‎ (Another example)
00:27, 25 February 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+38)‎ . . m Talk:Alt-center
00:52, 25 February 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+2,115)‎ . . Talk:Emil Kirkegaard ‎ (→‎Kirkegaard whitewashing Wikipedia articles)
00:54, 25 February 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+152)‎ . . User talk:Arcticos ‎ (→‎Sysop) (current)

There is zero information on Wikipedia about the alleged ban (which isn’t a ban). It is only visible if you look at Deleet contributions (or in other logs, where it would be buried in a mountain of information). There were allegations of conflict of interest (some from Smith socks), against Deleet, but ArbComm would not issue a private block like that over conflict of interest, that would be handled on the Conflict of Interest noticeboard. That someone is somehow involved with a subject does not necessarily create a COI, and even if one were found, the user would normally be warned, not blocked, unless they violate the warning.

There is no notice on the Deleet talk page, so someone watching that page would not see anything. Only if someone were stalking him, frequently checking on contributions, etc., would they notice it. And someone who was complaining, trying to get him blocked, might very well see it, but not necessarily immediately.

And, in fact, the block was on February 21, so all this flap was three days later. Unless Deleet did something I’m not aware of — I certainly don’t follow most of his activity — he has done nothing worthy of a block or ban. His communication with ArbComm will be private. I think there is a good chance the block will be lifted, possibly even with an apology, or not. ArbComm, and Wikipedia in general, are terrible about apologies, and huge messes are created and never cleaned up, because “beating a dead horse” and “it doesn’t matter for improving articles.”

Muslim Guy (liar, he’s not a Muslim, trolls with similar names appeared as attack socks about me), asserts this about Deleet:

On his Wikipedia user-page before he was banned Kirkegaard wrote he was recruiting people off-site to help him edit Wikipedia (link to Wikipedia). What he meant by this was getting his friends to create articles for race realists, this is a conflict of interest and meat-puppet issue which is against Wikipedia rules.

This is standard Oliver Smith BS, and an example of how he creates misleading sourcing. If you have what he claims in mind, i.e., his mind-reading of Emil’s purpose, you can look at the link and it looks real. But this is what Deleet actually wrote, it is on his current user page:

There is nothing reprehensible or contrary to Wikipedia policy or guidelines there. The “recruiting” item refers to an essay on recruiting subject matter experts. Many consider this a good thing to do. I don’t, because Wikipedia never became welcoming to experts who disagree with the views of dominant factions. So it is encouraging experts to waste their time debating Lilliputians, too often.

The FAQ would belong more on Wikiversity. On Wikipedia it is highly vulnerable to deletion. (It would also be vulnerable on Wikiversity, but much less likely unless Deleet were to edit it aggressively and without regard for consensus.) And if it is imbalanced, which it certainly could be, it could be balanced, either through consensus by editing, or by creation of an alternate FAQ, and I developed procedures on Wikiversity, the result of which were an almost complete lack of revert warring, as well as deletion of good-faith work, compared to Wikipedia, and improved neutrality overall. It can be done if the editors are willing. The community generally favored it, but also became, too often, distracted and not paying attention to central process. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, and if liberty is lost, it can be too late to protect it.

Kirkegaard does appear to be an academic. When his RationalWiki article appeared, he seemed to welcome it. Then he found that the claims of RationalWiki to welcome civil disagreement were vacuous hypocrisy. They don’t. They actually used to, but that disappeared, and I’m suspecting that a big part of that disappearance was the result of enabling the Smith brothers.

(To keep diversity, it is not enough to tolerate minority opinion, it must be actively protected. Academic institutions have a long history of doing this, often at high cost. There are conditions and situations where simply telling the truth can raise a lynch mob to string up the “liar.” Democracy is superior to dictatorship only where it protects diversity, even diversity that disagrees with democracy. Hence the ACLU, and when I said something that promoted the ACLU ideals, these fascists quoted it as proof of Something Bad. They are actually fascist, i.e., oppressive and intolerant and willing to use whatever power they can gather to crush dissent, while pretending to be “anti-fascist.” Give them admin tools, they will use it to exclude contrary opinion. Oliver, as admin on Metapedia, did exactly that, there was a beautiful example I found.)

So: from the timing, very high probability that “Chinese Communist,” who also used “Chinese dude” in his email address (compare with “Asian dude” for an obvious Oliver sock on the Encyclopedia Dramatica Forum), is “Muslim guy,” and from the focus and arguments, this is very likely Oliver, playing with himself when he commented on User talk:Arcticos, or it’s the brother, Darryl. I will check timings, because Darryl is active and sometimes this provides information.

Darryl L. Smith

If you see this page on an internet archive, it may have been updated and errors corrected. Always check the current version of archived pages!

subpage of anglo-pyramidologist

Oliver D. Smith has claimed to have a brother, and I found rumors that this was a twin. There is apparently a directory or public record listing page, I have not verified it directly, but I was able to find sufficient confirmation to post it as likely authentic. It showed, from some years back, Oliver D. Smith and Darryl L. Smith as being of the same age and apparently living with parents, and it showed the home address — and another, older brother. I removed this and redacted the address and the non-AP names as not needed for any ongoing purpose. If anyone cares, the original directory could be obtained. (I simply didn’t want to spend the money, it would be on a paywall site — which AP socks think somehow means “private,” as they scream about revealing “private information.” It does mean that this is a simple form “doxxing,” particularly with regard to Darryl Smith, who has not voluntarily revealed his identity, so this information would violate WikiMedia Foundation policies and should not be posted or linked from any WMF wiki.) It is not doxxing in the sense of revealing phone numbers, home address, work address, or other very personal information.

Then Oliver D. Smith verified “twin” and more. This page collects evidence regarding Darryl. What did Oliver claim?

Apparently feeling the heat of many outings around the internet, including mine,  Oliver wrote me, using a public email address known to be his (from his blog and wiki on Atlantis).  The emails are here. (He has later claimed he was “harassed” by me by email. No, he wrote me and I responded, inviting him to reduce damage by simply revealing the truth, whatever he knew. In the end, he rejected this as too much trouble. He continues to be active, doing the same things. Or his brother is doing a good job imitating him. His choice if he tolerates it.)

From the January 25, 2018 email my emphasis.

… none of those MetaWiki/Wikiversity accounts are mine, with the exception of Za Frumi and possibly one other when I left him a comment on his user talk – this was months back. And the only reason I showed up there is because mistaken identity. The fact is, I don’t post on these websites and have never disrupted them. 99.9% of those accounts are my twin brother. I have no idea what any of that stuff is and it doesn’t involve me. I’ve tried explaining this to Rome Viharo about Wikipedia for ages, but he never listens. For example, I was never “Dan Skeptic”/”Goblin Face” on Wikipedia. Yet I’m named on his website when I never spoke with him on Wikipedia.

From interests (see below confirming my prior impressions), Dan Skeptic and Goblin Face, (the second is an acknowledged sock of the first) and the vast array of Wikiversity and Meta Wiki socks, and the impersonation socks on Wikipedia — which are continuing, and recently — would be Darryl L. Smith. I notice that Oliver does not deny editing Wikipedia, and recently blocked accounts there were following his particular acknowledged interests. The recent impersonation socks on Wikipedia (impersonating Rome Viharo, successfully) would likely be Darryl as well (though Oliver might have an interest in discrediting Viharo as well, due to Viharo’s naming of Oliver Smith as the sock master.)

.. [it’s claimed that] my twin brother edits from my house. However, that was mostly years back when we were young. Regardless, I have no control over his activities, he doesn’t now live with me, although does sometimes visit.

“Sometimes visit” is enough to create the “technical evidence” that AP socks often deny exists. “I have no control over his activities” is a self-serving claim, and I pointed out that he does have the power to reveal what he knows about his brother, which can be a form of control. If he allows his brother to disrupt and defame, he becomes responsible as a “sin of omission.” Under some conditions he could even be legally responsible. The fact is that he is apparently suffering because of the activity of his brother, and does apparently support and defend his brother, as we will see. In the earlier “brother evidence,” Darryl was apparently living at home, while Oliver was mostly away as a university student. Oliver visiting home was enough to create the technical evidence leading to both brothers being blocked. But both had been disruptive, and Wikipedia doesn’t care about “my brother did it.” Restrain your brother, or be blocked. The claim was not particularly believed at the time and for Wikipedia purposes, it did not matter.

In AP sock rejection of the “Smith brothers conspiracy theory,” the “theory” is commonly overstated, and it’s true that many critics don’t distinguish between the brothers. But they created this confusion, and then rely on it. Notice that the claim of “my twin brother edits from my house” is rejected, while, in fact, it is admitted. The claim is converted to “always edits from my house,” to make it false, then that it might occur is effectively admitted. Identified IP for the AP editors is often open proxy, and there is technical evidence that might distinguish them, but … that starts to get into thinking of checkuser and similar examination as “magic pixie dust.” They slip, sometimes, forget to enable the open proxy, or whatever. It’s information, not absolute proof. Ever. However, the probability of false identification can become low, under some conditions. WMF checkusers will not reveal details, usually, because of privacy policy. But then they sometimes do, by actions. I have no privacy policy here to violate and I have similar evidence available, as a blogger with domain access, and more.

Under some conditions, the use of an open proxy is an effective admission that the identity is being concealed, which then makes claimed identity implausible or unlikely. There is an exception: where I know that if I reveal my identity I will be blocked, I may still claim the identity but use an open proxy. I would not do this if I feel secure from being blocked just for being me. I have not blocked anyone on this blog, nor has anyone been harassed. Revealing a person’s name in an obscure evidence page is not “harassment.” Getting an enemy’s mother fired (which has been done by Oliver Smith, apparently, his denials were actually minimizations, not denial of the harassment. Not “I didn’t send that email to her employer,” but “I did not get her fired.” (Subtext: the employer made the decision, not me. I’m innocent!!!) But sending emails to the employer of a relative would be “harassment” in the WMF definition. So Oliver actually did — (less likely, he brother did) what I was accused of to the WMF, and that I did not do. Back to Darryl per his brother:

The overlap between us is actually very minor. We both have different qualifications, interests etc; for example I have no interest in debunking the paranormal, while he does. What little I do know is that he is linked to ‘skeptic’ organisations, supposedly is either paid or works with other people. I do not see any ‘real world’ harm by what he does though, if he’s just refuting or criticising spiritualists or ghost-believers where is the harm?

That there may be payment involved is ridiculed on RationalWiki, but, in fact, an AP sock on Wikiversity or meta (I forget which) bragged about being supported by a major organization. I’ll look that up. Rome Viharo has been pursuing the possible involvement of skeptical organizations. There is some plausibility to what he has suspected.

Where is the “real world harm”? The harm is when false or misleading claims are made, to defame individuals (or organizations). That can be illegal or actionable. Here, Oliver is “defending” his brother, which creates a kind of responsibility, but the point here is the brother’s activity. “Debunking” is an activity quite different from, say, what CSICOP was founded to encourage, the “scientific investigation of the paranormal.” There is common “real world harm” when a RationalWiki article, created to defame, is used to source information, reported by mainstream media without caution. Examples can be provided! Real-world harm is done when a person negotiating a business deal is asked about RationalWiki charges. AP socks have claimed that I have “weaponized” Google. In reality, that’s what they have done for a long time. Again, back to Darryl:

Yes, a major diagnostic identification of what, after I became aware of the identity claims on the internet, but before I verified them, I called, on the WMF meta wiki, “AP/D”, would be attacking “paranormal believers.” I.e., [redacted]. But there are overlaps. [redacted], it is claimed, was a racist and/or fascist, at one time, and the RW article claims he still is. As well, Oliver emphasizes racialism or hereditarianism as “pseudoscience,” when they are more rationally “fringe science,” and that confusion is quite common among pseudoskeptics. Looking at the interests of those I have identified as “AP socks,” there is often overlap, a primary focus may be racialism or fascism, (“Neo-Nazis”) but then there are edits to articles on “psi believers.” I will, if I find time, create classifications to measure the overlap.

I am not a “Ghost believer,” nor am I a “spiritualist,” though AP socks attempted to establish the latter because I was involved with a “spiritual organization,” but the word has a very different meaning in that context. Alcoholics Anonymous — an example, I am not an alcoholic — is a “spiritual organization” while being organizationally non-religious, and many members are atheists. It refers to the “spirit” of life, i.e., the essence of it, the “meaning.” This is an example of how AP socks distort reality in order to pursue defamation. I don’t think Oliver created my article, rather the creator, Marky, was Darryl. Probably. This article was part of a plan of revenge threatened by AP socks on Wikiversity and the meta wiki. That would be Darryl.

January 30, 2018 (second mail)

You have no legitimate criticism against my brother or myself. We simply have used RW to document and refute pseudo-science. No laws broken.

Also – I’m now inactive on RW.

Defamation is against the law in the United Kingdom. As well, not all offenses have been on RW. As an example, Oliver called Emil Kirkegaard a “pedophile” in these emails. The claim in the RW article on Emil, which Oliver has admitted creating, calls him a “pedophile apologist” and a “child rape apologist,” neither of which are true, but which can be “evidenced” by citing a six-year-old blog post of his that can look like that if one reads only the quoted sentences, and not the context. This is how the Smith brothers “lie with the truth.” They take a fact out of context. The article on me on RW was created by Darryl, I assume, as fulfilment of his threats. They prominently quote this from me:

…were I an attorney, and a pedophile were charged with a crime (pedophilia is not a crime!), I might defend one. —Abd Lomax in his defence of child-rape apologist Emil Kirkegaard[1]


What I was pointing out was that “defending a pedophile” was actually normal, under some circumstances, such as being a defense attorney, all defendants are entitled to counsel, and counsel is obligated to defend them to the best of their ability. However, I was not actually “defending” Emil Kirkegaard, nor is he a “child-rape apologist” and those claims were libelous. I am a defender of academic freedom and free speech. I was an officer of the Cal Tech chapter of the ACLU, and the ACLU defends civil liberties for all people regardless of their sometimes offensive opinions. However, AP socks believe that this quotation “proves” their claim that I defend neo-nazis and child rape proponents. I’m not defending the targets, but exposing the defamation, which has caused extensive damage.

Emil Kirkegaard, I think he would agree, is a racialist (or “race realist”) it is called, and a hereditarian on intelligence. Those are not racist or neo-Nazi positions, though the kind of research that Kirkegaard does may be used by racists to justify positions (that do not actually follow from the research). Kirkegaard is outspoken, but denies the charges. The “evidence” that Kirkegaard is “neo-Nazi” is very weak and easily subject to alternate interpretation — but AP socks never mention alternate interpretations when such are possible, since their purpose is defamation. RationalWiki, in general, encourages this, the site motto might as well be “Snark Forever!” But the AP socks take it to extremes, and AP socks are enabled and protected there, as is Oliver D. Smith.  (An article by that name was salted, so that only administrators may create it. Why does Oliver D. Smith get this special protection? Inquiring minds want to know. He claims, as “ODS,” that an article was created by a troll, but that is how most RW articles (in the AP interest areas) are created. A new account appears and creates them. But there is no article in history, as any RW sysop can see, unless it was suppressed, which would indicate high-level protection. If the article was over-the-top defamation of Smith, it might have been created by a troll, indeed. The outing of Oliver D. Smith has been going on  for a long time, but it is generally addressed with ordinary deletion, not suppression, which hides it from even sysops. Maybe it’s time for an RW article on Oliver D. Smith. Contrary to what he claims, it could easily be created by any new account. He has many enemies, created by his highly aggressive and offensive behavior over the years. Plus he creates articles on himself to then blame on his enemies!

The account ODS on RationalWiki acknowledges being Oliver. There is a conversation with another account that looks very much like his brother, Debunking spiritualism. That account has done much to increase suspicion of being an AP sock, starting with the name. The many rapid article creations, showing Darryl interest, is the major early indication. Those are new articles, and so these had not been noticed by me before. They will be added to the RationalWiki/Anglo Pyramidologist study. Eventually, I will attempt to sort the socks.

But here is “Debunking spiritualism” demonstrating that he is Darryl:

Abd Lomax sock-puppeting on Rationalwiki

Lomax was blocked on Rationalwiki and globally banned by the Wikimedia Foundation, so he has now resorted to creating sock accounts (some impersonation) and using proxy IPS. His agenda appears to be spamming his Cold Fusion Community blog around on here for traffic. These are the accounts he has created so far:


He has doxxed users and threatened both Rationalwiki and the Wikimedia Foundation with legal threats on his blog. I believe he should be blocked if he turns up on any more. He has given up on accounts and is now using proxies. Lomax has now sided with Rome Viharo. The Viharo talk-page has been locked. If there is constant vandalism here this may be recommended. Debunking spiritualism (talk) 04:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Fascinating. He leaves out one account, and the reason is obvious:


is the only account I have used to edit RationalWiki since I was blocked. [this was true when written.] The single edit that was allowed — it was immediately blocked — actually has most of the list given above. That single edit included an authentication link to prove it was me. This is a classic AP trick: create blatant abusive socks that self-identify as the target of his harassment. Remarkably, that seems to fool some administrators.

The impersonation socks listed were almost certainly created by the same person who is operating Debunking spiritualism, who is a typical AP sock with typical behavior, (and, by the way, very quickly given sysop tools, even though obviously obsessed with Abd.

AP socks — and this may be entirely Darryl Smith — have long created socks that impersonate blocked users, in order to continue defaming the person (and sometimes they are behind the original block.) In this case, though, Skeptical, who blocked me, was almost certainly Oliver, not Darryl.  Does it matter?

“Threatened with legal threats.” What I pointed out was that what Oliver Smith triggered, almost certainly by lying to the WMF, along with a few others, a possible cause of action against the WMF that can bypass the limitations in the Terms of Service. I’m not going to explain all the legal details here, but there are negotiations under way that might lead to a lifting of the global ban, because the truly disruptive user, actually violating the TOS, was Darryl L. Smith. Oliver tossed his hat in with his complaint, as did some others whom, I suspect, lied in complaints. None of that can be hidden if there is a lawsuit. The Smiths have never faced this before, and I am aware of no situation before where the WMF was exposed like this, to a user prepared to defend his honor and reputation in court. Others have been considering legal action for a long time, so … many hands make short work. Enough is enough, too much is too much.

[I did not actually file action until February 25, 2019. Here is the Docket for Lomax v. Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., et al, with copies of all significant documents.

Meanwhile, RationalWiki has set up a toxic site that fosters defamation, and is far more negligent in this respect than Wikipedia. Recent events have shown that RationalWiki articles can be picked up by news reporters and defamation on RW then makes a “mainstream newspaper.” I have initiated no process on RationalWiki yet, but will, eventually, if it remains  necessary. One step at a time. I’ve been documenting what AP socks do, and Darryl just gave me a splendid example, lying about those socks.

Now, the IPs. I have no intention of disclosing anonymous editing at this time, but would do so in a lawsuit. With this edit, Darryl attempts to doxx all those accounts, and the IPs, as being me. Thus he is doing what he has long accused me of doing, doxxing, when what I did had remained short of it, carefully and deliberately.

Turnabout is fair play. Doxxing at this level is not illegal. Impersonation to defame is, just about everywhere.

So what did those IPs do? triggered the edit filter, generating a spam warning. It looks like he broke the comment into sections, and narrowed it down to the inclusion of five names, the names of AP targets, some obvious ones would be me, Rome Viharo, Emil Kirkegaard, Ben Steigmann, I’m not sure who else. Why would these names trigger an edit filter? I don’t know. It’s weird. The IP was blocked by CozmicDebris, for “doxing” and he reverted the edits — but did not hide them.

However, another IP appeared and restored that material, saying it was not doxxing. was not blocked, even though admittedly the same user as .225. At this point, the material is not blanked, but was collapsed by Debunking spirituality, who is, then, hiding fact about his brother. The original discussion on that user page for ODS was, now that we know more — Darryl advising Oliver about publishing the WMF email. Why? Who other than the brother — or someone closely allied — would care about that?

It would establish that included in the complaints leading to the global ban for Abd were complaints by an abusive sock master, blocked from editing Wikipedia since 2011, who could not have been a victim of personal abuse through the wiki system.

SO Darryl both collapsed the discussion and semiprotected the page.  The collapse header: “Abd ul-Rahman Lomax socking + spam” The semiprotection comment: “Spam and sock-puppeting from Abd Lomax.”

There were no external links or web site promotion in the collapsed material. The references to the cold fusion community site, recently (notably without links, have been from AP socks, almost certainly Darryl, from the long-term behavior.  If this were me, wouldn’t I at least include a direct or, almost as useful and impossible to filter out without major damage, spam-filter munged link (simply remove the http:// part and the rest of the URL should sail through a MediaWiki spam filter. I did that many times on Wikipedia, when I was fixing abusively blacklisted sites — before I was blocked there).

I also would not combine “spam” or “outing” or even “legal threats” with clearly disruptive edits, and would not telegraph them with user names broadcasting “Abd,” or, in one case, using my birth-name initials. No, this is obvious: Debunking spirituality is Darryl Smith, who is obsessed with me and with getting me blocked and banned, but his scheme is falling apart.

CheeseburgerFace, a relatively sane RW sysop and moderator commented, replying to the blanking by CozmicDebris, after the restored section by the new IP, which now displaying after the collapsed section, “@Cosmikdebris: This isn’t actually doxing. At least, I don’t think it is.”

“Abd ul-Rahman Lomax socking” was doxxing, purporting to reveal (without evidence or necessity) the real name of the anonymous user, which offense has been loudly alleged about me, over and over, not to mention the impersonation socks, which were blatant impersonations (as with many before, if anyone was taking the time to think. But “rational” on RationalWiki often means “whatever impulse I have without using evidence and logic.” Abusers are protected and article targets who complain or attempt to correct errors are attacked and blocked. “Socking” is rich. It is completely obvious that Debunking spiritualilty is a long-time user — and some of the accounts were blocked for serious offenses. ODS repeats, in an ensuing edit, that he’s created and worked on many articles. Not by that name! So he is “socking.” This is not normally considered a violation of policy on RW, unless your name is three letters, starting with A and ending with D.

I know how to create links to my blog on RationalWiki, if I want and need to. I have, so far, only created one, a link to an identification page, containing no other content, verifying the account putting it up as belonging to me. That comment is here. The edit was reverted by GrammarCommie, and the account was blocked by him for block evasion. So a block appeal is reverted as block evasion, turning a block into a ban. Way to go, GC. Brilliant. Step by step, I’m being pushed toward taking legal action for defamation. I have a legal theory that might be useful to test, that could blow the TOS protections out of the water. But I have not yet actually retained counsel or sued, I am considering legal action, the same as ODS, who, with his brother, loudly proclaims “legal threats,” but makes them himself.

The edit, which was a request to consider unblocking and resysopping, was collapsed, so the next time I do this, it will be on the Chicken Coop. I’m not in a rush because it’s likely a waste of time, but … I’ll get around to it. That account will also be disclosed. If the faction supporting ODS and his brother attempt to stop that, and if the RationalWiki community allows it, the entire community becomes responsible, just as we are all responsible if we allow lunatics to carry the nuclear football. “Responsible” means that reality just might punish us and all our children and our entire species. Or the whole wiki.

There are signs, though, that some moderators might actually take some interest.

This posting was then copied by Kujilia. I was not Kujilia, and I did not write (or know about) what is added to what I wrote. It was reverted, and Kujilia blocked, as “block evasion,” That could be because the user quotes my prior post, which then begins with “I,” so this would look like self-identification.

However, I wouldn’t have done that if I wanted to create what would look possibly independent. I’d have pointed to the original edit, then I’d have added anything new as not coming from Abd. A request for unblock and resysop with no account name in it would be really dumb.

Who was Kujilia? I don’t know for sure. I had a reason to suspect Darryl Smith, and the sloppiness points to that, but … would Darryl have added the new material (which certainly did not come from me) about David Gerard? I doubt Rome Viharo, very much, though the material is confirming a suspicion of his. More likely, if not a Smith impersonation sock, this would be one of the many enemies the Smiths have created.

However, the choice of user name points to Darryl, because I had [ added Kujilia] to the last checkuser request I filed on the WMF meta wiki, and, above, DS claims I had a vendetta against that user. In fact, I had a small suspicion created by a single edit on Wikipedia to an article of high interest to Oliver, and wrote that. Reviewing his edits in more detail, I doubt that he was a sock. But AP socks often attempt to inflame disagreements, to turn them to their own purposes.

As well, the editing pattern for Kujilia points to this being another AP sock. A flurry of quick edits, too quick to be written, copied and pasted, to get many edits in before being blocked. (I might use this technique, but … probably one edit in the right place, and not blatant and repeated vandalism or harassment, which is what AP socks do. Watch for a post to the Chicken Coop, with a quick post to the Saloon Bar, both using a named account confirmed on my blog Identification page, as before.

(Searching for the original text, the additional text was copied from Rome Viharo’s blog. AP socks do this to desensitize the community to the claims, to make it appear that it is all coming from “trolls” and people upset with “criticism of pseudoscience.” Notice that there are no actual links to the site, neither direct (like the link above) or spam or edit filter-evading, as would be:  wikipediawehaveaproblem.com/2018/01/the-attack-of-david-gerards-50ft-troll-farm/

If this is Darryl, then, he is actually attacking David Gerard, creating increased visibility for the Viharo page. The socks directly and clearly impersonating me also harassed Gerard, similarly.

An IP later linked to the original post by me.

I keep finding more and more stuff, such as a possible legal threat from GrammarCommie. If RW sysops and moderators had email enabled, they’d be getting information privately, but … they don’t, for the most part. How did I find this? By stalking GC? No. By the edits of the impersonation socks to the Nerd talk page. Since I was being impersonated, I looked at what they did. AP socks keep leaving trails like that. Months back, they led me to the current user page on Wikipedia for Joshua P. Schroeder, which I didn’t know until then. Why not? Because I wasn’t stalking him! If one looks at the article creations and comments of AP socks, they stalk their targets, obsessively and thoroughly and frequently. That’s easy to show….

So, Debunking skepticism contributions (as of March 1, he’s stopped editing and may or may not return. AP socks often disappear when accused) show a heavy obsession with me. And with his latest edits, he reverts the user Dealer, which is an impersonation sock, after my actual sock “The real deal,” and blocks him. He’s awfully quick, which I saw before with the first gaggle of impersonation or disruptive socks that appeared on RationalWiki, just before Skeptical blocked me.

They were, in fact, legal threats, the problem being a possible identification of the offender, which RoninMacbeth did not do (but Debunking spirituality did, when he was almost certainly the offender. There is only one known person who would behave as he did, as seen in history.)

The content of all of Dealer’s edits is the same, emphasis added:

The chickens are coming home to roost. The truth comes out. That is not a threat, it is simply reality. If Lomax files his contemplated action, he will likely be filing evidence with affidavits under penalty of perjury. You and the Rationalmedia Foundation will be sued. [[User:Dealer|Dealer]] ([[User talk:Dealer|talk]]) 05:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

This was copied from this edit of , blocked for “doxing” that wasn’t. But the statement, “You and the Rationalmedia [sic] Foundation will be sued” was supplied by whoever was trolling. As the correctly quoted part indicates, I am contemplating legal action, I do have sufficient grounds to file a case, and the author of this post knew enough law to know how evidence is created in a legal action. Sworn testimony! Trolls are accustomed to having no responsibility at all for lies they put up.

The context of that remark was claims from the AP socks that I might be lying about the Oliver emails. Indeed, I might be, but I’m not, and it would be singularly stupid, if I’m considering legal action. I would testify under oath, and if found to be lying, that could be prison time. Would Smith deny them under penalty of perjury? If I go into court with “unclean hands,” the chance of failure would increase substantially.

So the context was removed, and RW sysops without a knowledge of law might misinterpret the claim, presented out of context. I have listed possible defendants in an action, and they included the RMF, but not generally the people whose pages the threat was dropped on. I would certainly notify the RMF before filing and provide an opportunity to ameliorate harm.

This is simply more AP deception. The timing is totally obvious: Darryl (almost certainly him instead of Oliver), created the Dealer account and edited at mostly the maximum rate possible for a non-autoconfirmed account. Then he logged out and logged in as Debunking spiritualism, within two minutes, and proceeded to “clean up” the mess, blaming it all on me. Others see this and, without having background, find it plausible. It’s not. Tim Farley (Wikipedia user Krelnik), saw through the same tricks on Wikipedia with regard to Rome Viharo. Others fell for them in various cases. Too many administrators are one-eyed and have no depth perception.

Debunking spiritualism is Darryl L. Smith.

(There is other evidence from the old 2011 Wikipedia SPI case for Anglo Pyramidologist, confirming the brothers, but Oliver D. Smith’s testimony in his verified emails nails it.)

I will add revealed articles to the RationalWiki list of articles page. Darryl, in this case, started with a slew of minor articles on psychics or the like. ODS also revealed an article he had edited, but this was merely Krom, already well-known to be him.  He seems to think that I’m claiming he never did good work. I’ve never claimed that. Whether the work is “good” or not, however, is another story.

Debunking spiritualism on a rampage.

I just noticed that the only edit of Authentic has been revision-deleted. So here it is, with the involved log(s).

The edit. The content:

More impersonation socks

This account is verified as Abd ul-Rahman Lomax here. The many vandal and trolling accounts pretending to be me are impersonation socks, and the one who is intensely aware of them, obsessed by me, is … nah, you can figure it out. I could say more, but won’t. A word to the wise is sufficient. —Authentic (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Activity with this:

What “inappropriate account or personal information”? My blog is linked from my article, but the page linked above only contains identify verification, as can be seen.  No, this is actual suppression of legitimate and non-disruptive communication. The contributions and logs demonstrate the massive obsession of Debunking spiritualism (DS) with me. And I’m not a spiritualist — at all! I will, below, examine the full history of this account, which shows long-term Darryl Smith interest.

(cur | prev20:53, 5 March 2018‎ Deal (talk | contribs)‎ . . (105,474 bytes) (+512)‎  added the above, but did not use the header, and added to it, below, so  this is how it looks … and when they see this, they will likely more competently hide it, so there is http://archive.is/3vXdt at the bottom.

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax is being harassed by skeptics at Rationalwiki

This account is verified as Abd ul-Rahman Lomax here. The many vandal and trolling accounts pretending to be me are impersonation socks, and the one who is intensely aware of them, obsessed by me, is … nah, you can figure it out. I could say more, but won’t. A word to the wise is sufficient. —Authentic (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Deal is an impersonation sock, restoring what Darryl had rev-deleted, and adding a new subject header. That is his message, not mine. I am not being “harassed by skeptics.” Long story. The article is defamatory, and the impersonation socks are defamatory, but …. this isn’t “skeptics,” it is a long-term internet troll who pretends to be a skeptic because he found he could find cover with the RationalWiki community, and perhaps even payment, which a troll claimed here — as Darryl had claimed before with socks on Wikiversity and/or the meta wiki. The AP story is that I hate skeptics, which is ironic because I’m a skeptic, and even have credentials. “Skeptic” does not mean that one believes the JREF party line, real skeptics are very careful about “belief.” It doesn’t mean “debunker” who uses ad-hominem irrelevancies to attack what might be pseudoscience or woo, or what might simply be not understood by the debunker. I’m a Truzzi-style skeptic, I hope.

Much of this blog has been skeptical coverage of various cold fusion topics. I also write about the science, real science, published in mainstream peer-reviewed journals — and I don’t believe that just because something is published in such a journal, it is necessarily true. One of my friends, I think I can call him that, a hero of sorts, though, like most of us, a mixed bag, is Gary Taubes, debunker of Bad Science in many fields.

“Deal” is a takeoff on “The real deal“, previously authenticated by me,  and immediately blocked (by GrammarCommie, who is unlikely to be a Smith sock — but I now think that almost anything is possible. Smith socks have boasted having many accounts, including Wikipedia accounts. They know how to evade checkuser, but sometimes slip up — or don’t care.) The impersonation socks have included takeoffs like that, and part of the Smith method is utilizing confusion created by these names. He can suck in the unwary into thinking the accounts are actually the same.

Setting aside IP edits, the only actual edit by me, then in that recebnt history of the Saloon Bar was revision-deleted, username and edit summary deleted, by DS. Whereas the impersonation socks remain. (and, ironically, because of the impersonation sock, even the text and the link to my blog remain.

The impersonation socks that day, on the Saloon Bar:

A full disclosure is a takeoff on Full disclosure, registered at 20:43, blocked by DS at 20:47, and impersonated within a few minutes. (registration at 21:00) I had not yet authenticated the account.

A full disclosure added this to the Saloon Bar (it has been revision-deleted):

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax‎‎ is being impersonated and harassed by biased skeptic Rationalwiki trolls. It is clearly Tim Farley doing this. This was the same man who has harassed Rome Viharo. Lomax will document all this on coldfusioncommunity.net

This is not my message at all. AP hides as a skeptic, and I have no quarrel with Tim Farley. (I’ve criticized his work, rather mildly, but he is not at all to blame for the impersonation socking, as far as I know. He actually pointed to an impersonation of Rome Viharo on Wikipedia, and the only thing really true here is being impersonated by “trolls” and documentation of the trolling. The community actually being disrupted is RationalWiki, what part of it isn’t AP dominated.

As to harassment, the article on me could be considered that, created and mostly edited by Darryl socks.

These Saloon Bar impersonation socks (and also disruptive elsewhere, with threats) were reverted and blocked: CF at 19:50 by ReadyMade, 35672 at 20:27 by Bongolian (not suspected of being an AP sock), Deal at 20:56 by DS, and A full disclosure at 21:03 by ReadyMade.

21:06, 5 March 2018‎ Readymade (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (104,736 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Changed protection level for “RationalWiki:Saloon bar“: Excessive vandalism: Lomax gonna lomax ([Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (expires 21:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite)))

By this time, Readymade has seen strong evidence that the disruption was not from me. My suspicion is now that Readymade is an AP sock, designed to hide the fact initially. It is also possible that he is just the common RW idiot, there are quite a few of those, too. His reaction to this comment from me was to simply revert it with “yeah yeah jimmy jimmy) .” That’s his right, but …. I wished him good luck and “all the best” and he removed it. So he won’t have good luck, and he will find “the best” elusive, not my problem, it is not even up to me, but to how he lives. The worst possible curse: condemned to edit RationalWiki. They think it is a joke that being blocked is a “promotion.”

The world outside is far more fun.

Signs to notice: account created Jan 1, 2018. User page: “I used to be here, but now I’m not. Also, tea.” So he is a returning user. Who was he? Somebody knows. Christopher welcomes him and offers to hide an IP edit to the Saloon Bar. I could find no trace of such an edit. Christopher was a tech, and, with moderators, which he also is, has the suppressrevision right, so he can hide edits even from sysops. Those who have database access (I don’t know who has that) could completely remove material from the database.

On January 9, Readymade was given autopatrolled, and sysop was offered. January 12, it was given by Spriggina. This is damn fast! I’ve seen this with AP socks, they are quickly opped. It’s fairly obvious, at least in some cases. There is off-wiki communication.

AP socks are being supported and enabled and also protected. Details are beginning to come out. They have often claimed it, see the Comment published here today, but this wasn’t the first claim.

(By the way, there is nothing illegal about being paid to edit RationalWiki. It is a TOS violation to be paid to edit Wikipedia, without disclosing it (with the account or accounts used), but that doesn’t make it illegal. What Smith socks have claimed would be grounds for a global WMF ban, in addition to impersonations, which also explicitly violate the TOS, besides being actually criminal. So the Smith claims about me are particularly ironic.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Quack_Hunter on Wikipedia was Darryl L. Smith.

16:50, 28 March 2015 User account Quack Hunter (talk | contribs) was created. An early edit to his user page added a JzG userbox. This links to an essay JzG wrote, Lunatic Charlatans. The Quack Hunter user page affirms and JzG material openly demonstrates JzG’s long-term defiance of neutrality policy. JzG got people banned for allegedly treating Wikipedia as a battleground, but he did this for many years. Later events have create substantial suspicion of collusion with the Smith brothers, as claimed by them.

“Wikipedia administrators love us,” an AP sock claimed to me (believed to be Darryl L. Smith). In the light of subsequent events, it’s an astonishing revelation. AP socks lie routinely, but there are bursts of truth. So I will go over this comment.

You can delete this message if you like. Just to let you know I will not be further engaging you. It seems you live for this drama, I will not longer be involved.

At that point, I was simply documenting the obvious impersonation and other disruptive socking of an LTA, having seen evidence that linked this to the Anglo Pyramidologist family of socks, and that had attacked a Wikiversity user and a Wikiversity educational resource (which was neutral, but the antifringe faction treats anything short of their extreme point of view as “promoting pseudoscience,” or the like.

I will do my best behind the scenes via email to get admins to delete all your material.

He did exactly that, and his brother joined in, and so did two long-term factional Wikipedians.

If you want to spend the rest of your life stalking someone that is up to you, but it is not healthy.

Concern trolling. I doubt that I will “spend the rest of my life” with this study, because it is leading up to legal action which may resolve this not only for me but for many others.

I object to such a thing. I am done with this. I would like to add though that AngloPyramidologist is innocent.

He’s not innocent, but he was probably not the creator of the massive socks I was looking at then. This is Darryl saying that his brother is innocent of that, thus agreeing with what his brother has claimed. But both have used impersonation socks

If you want the debunker of parapsychology/or pseudoscience it is me.

This would be GoblinFace, but there is another possibility. There is an older brother in the family. So far, though I have not seen enough evidence to warrant mentioning his name..

I have debated [redacted] in the past, he knows who I am, I have talked to him on Wikipedia in 2014. I have nothing against [redacted] personally, unfortunately he uses Wikipedia to promote his fringe beliefs, he promised in 2014 not to come back but his mistake was coming back in 2017.

The user mentioned did minor socking on Wikipedia, and a request for checkuser was filed by,  Michael skater claiming to be a Wikiversity user. He was lying. This was Darryl L. Smith, also known as Quack Hunter/GoblinFace, and by many other names.

That is something I object to, and of course the admins were too slow in banning his psychicbias and myerslover account. So you see I had to get him banned.

He is here admitting to the impersonation socking (confirmed by checkusers, including when they globally locked this account). This is, in fact, how he thinks. He thinks of “fringe beliefs” as enemies of rationality and humanity, and therefore to be attacked and “fringe believers” silenced, and he is willing to lie and deceive to achieve this noble goal.

Take care. Btw I do object to the ‘troll’ allegations. I have written over 250 articles on Wikipedia. As to this very day 30/9/2017 I have four Wikipedia accounts and 12 others I occasionally use, the admins are only interested in banning vandals. If you are atheist, pro-skeptic like me and debunking fringe beliefs the admins love us.

He thinks so, and for the faction he interacts with, generally, he is correct. Reviewing enforcement on Wikipedia, “pro-fringe” gets sanctioned and banned quickly, whereas “pro-skeptics” get a pass, even when behavior grossly violates policies. I was banned on Wikipedia, to make a long story short, because I confronted — successfully! — bias like this. I’m not the only one. Anyone who confronted the “cabal” — it was called in media — was attacked and worn down and rubbed out. In this affair, that faction reached out and corrupted Wikiversity.

I can’t go wrong. I was even offered paid work from the owner of a skeptic group.

His brother wrote that “to his knowledge” he was paid or working with an organization. This would be an off-wiki organization organized to promote skeptical points of view on Wikipeda. There are several possibilities.

I still create articles perhaps 12 or so a week.

It’s plausible. There are possible suspects, but nothing where I have enough evidence, so far, to name them. I will be bringing 0n-line more powerful sock detection tools, that can be effective with users with high contribution counts. No sense revealing them yet.

I have serious knowledge and I have improved the Wikipedia in skeptical related articles in relation to fringe beliefs. Your statement we are all vandals or doing illegal activity is false.

I never said that. This kind of straw man argument is common for AP socks. However, impersonation to defame is illegal in the United Kingdom, where Darryl is presumed to live. The reports I was writing were about “Anglo Pyramidologist,” known to be two people. No claim was ever made that all activity was vandalism or illegal.

Take care and Good bye. My advise for you would be to give up. You are fighting a war you cannot win. You will never work out who I am or get rid of me from Wikipedia. Leon. [[User:From a tower|From a tower]] ([[User talk:From a tower|talk]]) 01:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I have already won, because my goal is not personal and I am not personally attached. My goal is for truth to out, and it does. I testify to what I know, when it has relevance to real issues. Wikiversity was lost, but …. it’s not over till it’s over, and I have only begun the process to address that. I wanted to research the issues in depth, and the exact nature of the corruption and disruption is becoming clear, it all fits together, and this is based on the verifiable evidence that I’ve been collecting. It is indeed a larger story than two crazy brothers. I had already abandoned Wikiversity for personal use, concluding that it was not safe from exactly the kind of disruption that appeared and demonstrated it. I was able to rescue all content of importance to me and others.

He did not abandon confrontation, he merely shifted tactics, and, I suspect, engaged his brother. The two of them could disrupt and claim that they were not the same person. Because they weren’t. Something shifted in the steward responses. For some time, all my requests were promptly actioned. Rather abruptly, that stopped and I was accused of filing frivolous reports. But they were not frivolous and were supported by an administrator. What had been a friendly environment on Wikiversity turned, almost overnight, into very hostile. How that happened was actually clear, the acting bureaucrat explained it.

Private complaints. Star chamber process, presented with plausible but highly misleading evidence, which is what the Smiths do on RationalWiki routinely.

Quack Hunter had previously written, on Wikipedia, when blocked for sock puppetry

Those accounts are not me, indeed I stepped in on the SPI because I knew it was filed as a joke.. There is four people editing from my IP address and one of them is a young family member who has a tendency to create sock puppets, joke accounts or edit silly articles in favor of fringe beliefs. If you look at my edits you will see I am not the same person. My account and the Steve account (another family member) are proper accounts. [[User:Quack Hunter|Quack Hunter]] ([[User talk:Quack Hunter#top|talk]]) 00:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The Anglo Pyramidologist SPI 24 December 2014. is where Quack Hunter is shown as suspected. Remarkable there. Logos was suspected, and it is noticed that some likely socks had repeated Logos arguments. That is an AP behavior, I’ve seen it on RationalWiki. Socks appear, often with names designed to seem like they might be me (or even using my real full name), and vandalize and threaten users with legal action. Impersonation socking. Looking through this, I find many blatant AP disruptive user names, as appeared on Wikiversity and meta, found to be “Michael skater” socks. the same pattern had long existed on RationalWiki. Names like Jon Donnis Rome Viharo with an ectoplasm on top. I can show from other pages many names like this.

But the Quack Hunter account had not been created! What happened? Looking at the edits of the user who filed the case, they are missing. The SPI case pages are very poorly set up, and archiving process seems to be erratic. When cases are merged, it is copy and past, often, not an edit history merge. And when the original page is deleted, as these often are, the edit history is lost. Did the filer actually accuse an account that did not exist yet? Or was that added later in some edit to a deleted page? It’s a mess.

I could find no record of Quack Hunter “stepping in on an SPI.” There is no known Smith brother younger than Oliver and Darryl. There is an older brother, I won’t name.

The Anglo Pyramidologist SPI 10 June 2015. would ostensibly be the report of the identification of Quack Hunter, but he is not mentioned there. However, his edit to his talk page, linked above, was linked from it. It appears that he was blocked by Tiptoety

Quack Hunter went on:

The same thing happens every year Tipoety – I will give you one example, my previous account was Goblin Face  [link to Sockpuppet_investigations/Goblin_Face/Archive] highly respected Wikipedia account. Basically I am a hard working Wikipedia editor with decent contributions to this website.

This matches the opinion of self expressed by the checkuser-identified as an LTA, From_a_tower. GoblinFace may indeed be respected by some, but detested by others. I had noticed his activity before, but I was not editing Wikipedia and chalked it up as the usual usual there. He fitted into the antifringe faction (which often loses before the Arbitration Committee, whenever there is broad attention, but then acts to ban opponents.)

Outside of Wikipedia I own a skeptic website and I am a rather well known debunker of paranormal/pseudoscience claims.

So who is this? The well-known brother is Oliver D. Smith, but there is little on the twin brother Darryl L. Smith. “Debunker” is a point-of-view position. He is acknowledging pushing a point of view on Wikipedia and might even have a conflict of interest.

Every year my brother basically creates socks and messes around on this website ruining it for me in anyway he can – like I said unfortunately he always does this, he has a form of mental illness, I work and am not at home all day so I don’t truly know what he is up to.

Oliver D. Smith has acknowledged a schizophrenia diagnosis. There is a rumor of an anxiety disorder, which could go together with schizophrenia. However, the story told in 2011 in the original Anglo Pyramidologist sock investigation was a bit different. AP was interested in classics and Atlantis and has published a paper on Atlantis under peer review, and has a Wikia site on Atlantis. But Oliver is not known for crazy user names. He does create socks freely. I documented a recent series of them on Encyclopedia Dramatica, where he was attacking me.

He has a history of trolling the Atlantis article, insulting other editors, creating silly names or messing around on articles and other pseudohistoric related articles.

“Atlantis” would indicate Oliver. However, the “silly names” were used on Wikiversity and meta, attacking me for exposing impersonations designed to attack a user interested in parapsychology, and to attack the educational resource. This would not be Oliver, it would be Darryl. To be sure, the above was 2015, and the attacks were 2017. Maybe Darryl decided to adopt the Oliver strategy.

He repeatedly states to me he needs to be banned on Wikipedia because he can’t refrain himself from doing this.

I can believe it. However, being banned doesn’t stop him. He has continued to edit, I found socks referring to his published paper and there were recent socks tagged on matters of interest. He does create impersonation socks, but not the blatant, totally silly, obvious attack accounts. Just a bit more subtle.

Obviously I can’t win on this issue. All the accounts will be blocked even all the good stuff I do because of his vandalism, it has happened many times before.

This is bullshit. I wrote to Oliver Smith, when he was directly emailing me, that what he needed to do to clean up the whole mess was just to tell the truth. Darryl could have done the same thing, adding a few precautions, rather obvious ones. Don’t use the same computer and don’t edit from the same IP. In fact, the brothers did learn to use open proxies, but may occasionally slip and then they get tagged. But they are both defacto banned, each for what they personally did.

But you can easily see my editing from his if you spend honest time looking into the matter. Regards. I am not further responding. [[User:Quack Hunter|Quack Hunter]] ([[User talk:Quack Hunter#top|talk]]) 00:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I have spent a great deal of time since September, 2017, studying the edits of these brothers. It is not “easy” to distinguish them. Yes, there are certain characteristics that stand out, their interests, and mannerisms that create the “duck test.” But … there is crossover. Both brothers retreat behind a fog of lies and attacks and massive confusion. Quack Hnnter neverthless went on, with even more:

Basically the minority of skeptic accounts are all me, I don’t deny this I am a productive Wikipedia editor who opposes fringe beliefs and vandalism. I find Wikipedia is a useful website to debunk pseudoscience claims with decent references. But the joke accounts/ or accounts pushing fringe beliefs with silly names are not me. This can be easily proved. Look even at the log in times. He has attempted to pretend all the accounts are him to annoy me. I am ”’NOT”’ Anglo Pyramidologist  or any of [the] Bookworm44 socks. Look at my posts, I have debunked such crackpottery as pyramid power. I do not hold any fringe beliefs.

The accounts “pushing fringe beliefs” would generally be impersonation socks. Oliver was fringe on certain matters, before, but found his bread got more butter aligning with RationalWiki and the skeptic movement.These are all accounts to be blocked on Wikipedia, because they are socks of either Oliver or Darryl or impersonations of others, and the Wikiepdians don’t care.

It took me months to become familiar with this tangled mess. The original SPI case mentions the brothers, it appears that both brothers used

This is obvious: with the home situation described, don’t use IP!!! In that case, Darryl makes a complicated and difficult to read statement, a wall of text. He is describing the situation of his twin brother, Oliver. From what I have learned about the situation, Darryl was generally telling the truth, but that truth would also be likely to get him banned. He was about 20 or 21, and not well-educated. It is still unknown what education he has, but definitely, he is not a scientist, as he says, though as a RationalWiki editor he spouts off with ignorant opinions on science, and the same elsewhere.

The next filing, 15 June 2011, has more “brother” information. Back to what Quack Hunter wrote about his brother.

His statement here is not true [User_talk:Doug_Weller]. All the accounts under Anglo Pyramidologist/BookWorm44 are him, ”’not”’ me. I don’t mind you filing it all under Goblin Face – I guess you can’t be bothered to put his accounts under his and mine under mine so that won’t happen (it would be nice if you did though), but please put a message on there at least that there is two of us on the same IP i.e. on the sock puppet investigation page or put a link over there of my post here… I am definitely not him. I don’t particularly want all his crackpottery or loads of accounts filed under my username, but I guess that is what is going to happen. Please look into this, not just because you can’t be bothered and it is an easy block. I am telling the truth here. Regards. David. [[User:Quack Hunter|Quack Hunter]] ([[User talk:Quack Hunter#top|talk]]) 18:21, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

He might be telling the truth, but radically unskillfully. He calls himself “David,” which is not the name of any known Smith brother. With the “not true” comment, he is claiming that JohnJons is his brother. That obvious sock (but of whom?) JohnJOns lists a series of articles and accounts. Johnjons does not claim to be Oliver Smith. This would look more like an enemy, but surely Darryl would know. Unless Quack Hunter is an impersonation, which isn’t impossible.

But unlikely.

What JohnJons caaims:

Anglo_Pyramidologist is Goblin Face, just recently banned on a major sock farm. There are his banned socks logged under the same name such as Anglo Pyramidologist Returns. He’s been revisiting the British Israelism entry under different socks for years, and even speaking to you. The only difference is that he is now anti-BI, and people don’t recognize this. Some of his socks that edited the BI entry: AncientScribalPhiloSemiticGeekHerodotusReader. Note he was also on the Chronicles of Eri as IrishBookofInvasons and on Laurence Waddell on WaddellSumerianOldScrolls etc, as well as re-editing his old AngloP contributions such as Ethel Bristowe. As far as I’m aware no one has picked up on this, and not filed it under Anglo Pyramidologist. When this AngloP is banned he always uses the same excuse the socks are his brothers or sisters in his house. Its obvious though this is all one individual based on the edit history overlap. Also, between the Goblin Face and Anglo Pyramidologist sock archives, was another sock farm owned by AngloP: BookWorm44. If you look at edits, and account names they are connected. The only ‘missing year’ for AngloP is 2013. However it turns out at the start of that year he went to Metapedia, and became a sysop there for a short while (until Dec. 2013). On Goblin Face, various of his blocked socks have tried to remove the mention of “Atlantid” on the Metapedia entry here, including a sock called Atlantid. All the socks on the race talk page are the same person, i.e. AngloP (blocked under Goblin Face or “Quack Hunter” filed as a checkuser sock of Goblin) e.g. Ralph RoadrashPalaeoresearcher, etc. Note Atlantid/AngloP’s enemy is Mikemikev (formerly also) from Metapedia who he was debating on the race talk Wikipedia entry. In October 2014, it was AngloP on his sock FossilMad who reported and banned Mikemikev again for sockpuppetry. Atlantid/Anglo_Pyramidologist are confirmed to be the same editor off Wikipedia, but I won’t link to anything. This though can easly be confirmed by running google checks on both names. JohnJons (talk) 00:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

And another sock blocked. JohnJons is Goblin Face. Doug Weller (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The block was issued by Tiptoety, checkuser. It is then likely that JohnJons is the same user as Quack Hunter. I find it unlikely that Oliver Smith would write the above description about himself. The Metapedia story is correct, I think. Bookworm44 appears to be an AP sock, probably Oliver.

But why would Oliver make the “single person” claim. And why would, then, Darryl care? There is a lot more to be found.

Skeptic from Britain

This Wikipedia account, contributions (account was renamed twice), was obviously Darryl L. Smith. See the subpage. Beyond the duck test (in itself obvious), I have strong and more direct evidence not shown there, based on what is verifiable, and will show this to anyone with an established identity who needs to know.

Psychologist Guy

This account has recently come under suspicion as being Darryl. The subpage will start to collect evidence relating to this. At this point, this is merely a suspicion, not considered proven beyond reasonable doubt. 

Correction invited

All pages on this blog invite correction. The easy way: comment on any page or post with comments enabled (sometimes “pages” don’t have comments enabled, but it’s quick for me to fix). Where interpretation is involved, alternate interpretations with any possible color of good-faith may be presented and would generally be published. Someone like Darryl Smith would be allowed to make a statement, for example. Use a real e-mail address, it will not be published unless the identity asserted is conclusively verified to be an impersonation.





Anglo Pyramidologist

If you see this page on an internet archive, it may have been updated and errors corrected. Always check the current version of archived pages!

Subpages: See category/anglo-pyramidologist/


Confirmed as Oliver D. Smith. (Copyright unknown. Fair use claimed.)

Anglo Pyramidologist (AP) is a Wikipedia account, created 14 February 2011 , see the block log.

As well, see the SPI case archive. Early on, in 2011, it was claimed that there were two users involved, brothers, sometimes editing from the same location (their family home). An IP claimed to be the “other brother,” not AP.

In many places, Oliver D. Smith has acknowledged being AP. He has also claimed, repeatedly, that most of the accounts tagged as AP are not him, but his twin brother, known to be Darryl L. Smith. Oliver Smith was outed years ago, and widely. In many places, though, where people who have been harassed have criticized and documented him, he has repeatedly claimed that he was not the accounts some have associated him with. This is consistent with those accounts being his brother, who, just as AP shifted from being a white nationalist, apparently, to being antifascist and antiracist, shifted from being a fringe or pseudoscience believer to being a “skeptic,” and Oliver wrote about his brother that, “to his knowledge, he was being paid or working with an organization.”

Summary: the family of Anglo Pyramidologist socks is Oliver D. Smith and Darryl L. Smith, twin brothers. It is unknown to me if they are identical twins or merely fraternal. Oliver Smith has openly acknowledged being at least some of the AP socks. See the Identity subpage. for information on how Oliver D. Smith was identified, and Darryl L. Smith, for information about his twin, who, as a real-life identity, is far less visible, so far, but whom Oliver Smith blames for most (“99.9%,” an obvious exaggeration) of the sock puppets identified.

Recently, as there started to be heat on Darryl L. Smith, Oliver claimed that it was all him, he had been lying since 2011 to avoid a block on Wikipedia and to confuse those who were stalking him.

I thought about what to call this page. Anglo Pyramidologist was the name of an early appearance of the user — or family of users –, and the primary Wikipedia Sock Puppet Investigation page uses that name. There is another account sometimes used to refer to the user or family (Atlantid). One of the characteristics of AP socks is impersonation, and it is possible that

  • There have been impersonations of AP.
  • There have been accounts incorrectly identified with AP.
  • There are family members — or friends — who have been tagged because of using family IP or computers This can also happen from sharing internet access, not only at home, but also at, say, a cafe or library.

In the fog created by all these possibilities, what can be known? Plenty.

AP has had certain identifiable interests and practices, leading to the “duck test,” which is often so clear on Wikipedia that an SPI will be closed with no checkuser. That process, however, has been vulnerable to impersonation socks, designed to target an individual by creating blatantly abusive socks. It is very clear that this has happened, and it is likely that both brothers have used impersonations, either for defamation or to confuse reviewers.

My long-term practice in many fields is to collect and present evidence first, before drawing conclusions. Such collections may involve days or weeks of research, or more. Ideally, I come back and summarize and may draw some conclusions. But understanding derives from experience, not so much from analysis and conclusions. Here I am initially collecting reports on the identity and behavior of “AP socks.” These come from sources of varied probity and reliability. AP has attacked anyone who has exposed him, and he threatened me that he would not rest until all my work was deleted. He’s had some “success” in that; but he does it by presenting “plausible lies” to those inclined not to look  carefully. That all, in time, is being documented. I will stop collecting data when I die, which will happen soon enough. I’m not dead yet.

I have now been looking at many hundreds of possible AP edits and accounts.  Patterns appear and become obvious, and I begin to state conclusions. However, I do not expect anyone to “believe” my conclusions, though I do request the courtesy of either examining evidence or suspending judgment. I will review pages and posts reviewing AP socks on subpages.

The first page I saw was one of the Rome Viharo pages. Rome Viharo was Wikipedia editor tumbleman, and a handful of socks. “Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition,” and not on Wikipedia, countless editors have shown up, believing that Wikipedia was run according to the generally-excellent policies, and it usually is, but where there is a strong faction, a faction that includes a few administrators, with a strong point of view, it often is not. This exception will generally aligned with what is believed to be a “majority point of view.” The problem is not the point of view, in itself, but the methods used to imbalance articles well beyond “due weight,” which methods include targeting and banning those believed to have some “minority point of view.” As if point of view is Bad. (That idea, that “POV-pushers” are to be banned, has resulted in long-term corruption of what could otherwise be genuine consensus.)

These methods include what I have called “attack dogs.” These are users willing to stretch the limits and even act outside them, but who are mysteriously protected and often not sanctioned. With many years of experience, I have concluded they are protected because they serve others allied against some minority view, who are not willing to risk sanctions themselves. Rome Viharo independently came to similar conclusions.

Some pages here on Anglo Pyramidologist:

Wikipedia/Anglo Pyramidologist list of suspected (and often checkusered) socks including IP. Mostly organized by date of checkuser requests or IP discovery.

MrRowser a brief SPA, mentioned in passing (not actually accused), came back recently to attack the studies. Clearly AP from the later comments.

RationalWiki/Anglo Pyramidologist list of suspected RW socks organized by article or page of interest.

Geolocation List of identified IP addresses. There is a map.

Skeptical an obvious AP sock, the one who blocked me on RationalWiki for “doxxing” that was not doxxing. Listing accounts is not doxxing. Naming real persons behind an account is minimal doxxing, and thus this page doxxes AP socks. When an account defames and libels, it looses privacy rights.

AP socks commonly claim that the “Smith brothers conspiracy theory” is an invention and claim with no evidence. In fact, the idea of brothers originally came from the socks themselves. From the Wikipedia Sock Puppet Investigation in April, 2011. “we have a claim of that he is not his brother (Anglo Pyramidologist) but that they sometimes edit from the same house.” There are details about alleged positions on issues. 

In June, 2011, there are more comments from Livingintheforests (the “other brother,” not Anglo) that Anglo is thulist88, again with more details about points of view.

Many analysts don’t make the brother claim, but some do. My own opinion has become that are indeed two major users behind “AP,” matching the stories of “Oliver D. Smith” and “Darryl L. Smith.” Some alleged these are twins. Oliver has confirmed that, and public records confirmed that they are the same age. Another possibility is a multiple personality (deliberate or otherwise), which would require, however, that the impersonated twin be silent.

There are various sites and pages covering Anglo Pyramidologist. It has been claimed on RationalWiki that I am supporting the people who wrote those pages. I have not necessarily investigated the various positions of these people (beyond, a little, Rome Viharo). These sites, however, provide clues for further investigation. I will comment a little on each. Inclusion here is in no way an approval of or ratification of the politics or content of a site, unless that is specifically expressed. This is material for research.


Rome Viharo, the blogger, was attacked on Wikipedia by a skeptical faction there. I had also confronted that faction (and anyone who confronts that faction is risking their account).

However, until recently, I was not aware of extensive socking as part of the problem. Rome started out by describing certain users who are not suspected of being AP.

AP socks commonly lie about Rome Viharo, and an AP sock just posted to my RationalWiki article a comment I made several years ago, on RationalWiki — I had forgotten all about this —  that Rome Viharo was a troll (specifically, that what appeared to be his RationalWiki editing was trolling, not that he was trolling elsewhere.) When I first saw this, I thought that I may have been writing about an impersonation sock. No, it was about the RomeViharo account on RW, which was almost certainly Rome. My fuller comment places this in better context. I was critical of Rome, and have been, as well, recently, though about older posts of his.

Rome has been impersonated and extensively maligned and threatened, and people who go through that often are not polite and carefully correct in response. However, I wrote “opinionated self-important blowhard.” At that point, I had given up on RationalWiki, my edits were few, but that kind of rhetoric was common RationalWiki snark. I apologize to Rome for writing that, it was beyond the pale. He was merely wrong.

This is not the point here. The point is what claims are being made about Anglo Pyramidologist (or Atlantid, or other equivalent names).

Skeptic Sockpuppet army gets busted on Wikipedia. November 15, 2015. Understates the problem.

Latest Email threatens to increase harassment if I don’t stop reporting on it. November 30, 2015. The style resembles the style of threats I received. Threat of impersonation socks to ruin his reputation. Actual sock had been created and wrote fake opinion. At this point he did not have a name.

WP Editor Manul tries to bully WP Admin Liz on Wikipedia, continues with ‘Tumbleman’ paranoia. January 8, 2016. There are some claims here that I may follow up on when I begin to document the “fellow travellers” who have supported and been supported by Anglo Pyramidologist socks. I am indirectly mentioned — I had an article in that issue of Current Science, which is a mainstream peer-reviewed journal. I had seen discussion of it on Wikipedia, which was all strange. Long-term, peer-reviewed reviews of cold fusion have been excluded. The argument might generally be “undue weight,” but where are the reviews in the other direction? Recent reviews are disregarded and very old reviews — that may have reflected the status of cold fusion at the time, perhaps more than twenty years ago — are instead emphasized. In this post, however, Viharo mentions the Smith brothers.

One of those editors on Wikipedia is ‘Goblin Face‘, who edited on the Sheldrake article as ‘Dan Skeptic’. Dan Skeptic was one of over 50 sock puppet accounts used by a ‘skeptic army’ on Wikipedia which has now been busted and linked to the Smith brothers, Oliver and Daryll.

The Smith brothers picked up where Manul left off with their original slanderous comments and began a campaign of harassment and slander which they took to Rational Wiki, Reddit, and Encyclopedia Dramatica, Wikia, and a host of other forums.

When I started to study the AP sock disruption, I mentioned Manul (the former vzaak). It was a casual mention, not an accusation of any wrong-doing. Yet I was immediately attacked by AP sock puppets for that mention, one of the attacking accounts was named Friend of Manul.

Viharo does not provide a source for the Smith brothers claim. The page he links (also linked above) doesn’t contain any mention of Smith.

What will Wikipedia and RationalWiki editor Goblin Face/Atlantid do next? February 19, 2016. This is covered elsewhere. It has a claim of identity of the sock master as Oliver D. Smith. No source.

Factual harassment versus fictional harassment, Deepak Chopra’s Wikipedia article reflects larger problem. March 26, 2016

I’ve seen evidence for much of what Viharo claims, but I wouldn’t expect others to believe it from what he writes, there are too many claims without evidence. It’s a blog, one can simply state one’s opinion on a blog. It is also difficult to establish interest such that people will read evidence, but if the evidence is not available, it’s impossible. Few will do independent research. Most people just react, believing whatever they want to believe. So-called skeptics can be even worse than ordinary people in this way.

Clear Language, Clear Mind (Emil Kirkegaard)

This is reasonably correct, but does not directly provide evidence about identity (though this is where I got the photo of Oliver D. Smith. I have verified a few facts stated there. For example, Kirkegaard claims that he compiled a list of RationalWiki socks and was then blocked for doxxing. That’s true. The list was compiled on his user page. It was as archived. It was not doxxing, it was a claim of socking, which is very, very different. It was deleted by Skeptical, an AP RW sysop (who was shortly to disappear when outed).

Just about Skeptical’s last cough (November 7, 2017):

Hi Oliver!

How’s it been holding up big guy? Parkordude91

Abd Lomax’s conspiracy theory about my identity is getting old… I’m not that person. […] Skeptical (talk) 03:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

At that point, “Oliver” hadn’t been mentioned by me, as I recall. It was all over the internet, though, long before I was aware of the existence of these socks. Skeptical’s behavior had led me to conclude, by about the time Skeptical blocked me, that he was indeed AP. Emil points to my small study of Skeptical.

Other links from his page:

  • Lolcow Wiki, archived from April 2017. Someone did a lot of research. The foundation is laid, thoroughly, for a claim that Atlantid and the rest are Oliver D. Smith. There is also mention of the brother, but the link is dead. There are many socks I recognize from my own research, but others I had not found and will investigate. I recall an AP sock claiming that the Smith brothers story came from Encyclopedia Dramatica, and from what I show below, the clear identification as Oliver D. Smith may indeed have come from there. It’s completely plausible and is at least roughly confirmed by other sources, such as a Smith bio on Wikia.

I’m skipping the three Encyclopedia Dramatica links. There is some research there into early activities, but it’s not worth digging through the noise — and exposing others to it through links.

I found another Lolcowiki discussion.

It gives a home address. There is a reference to another discussion which has a list of five names, appearing to have been taken from some directory, all at the same address, which would be Oliver’s mother and father and then his two brothers. Darryl and Oliver are listed as the same age, roughly confirming the idea I’ve seen that these are twin brothers. I’m putting that address into the IP map database for comparison. (that other discussion shows what purports to be a threat from Oliver Smith to harass Joshua Connor Moon (of Lolcow wiki). I’m not showing more evidence here on that, but apparently there was real-life harassment and damage.


On the issue of the real-life identity of Anglo Pyramidologist, I spent a day compiling information, shown on the Identity subpage.

I received some comments from Anglo Pyramidologist (apparently). I don’t want those conversations featured on the blog home page, so they are moved to a comments subpage. 

Anglo Pyramidologist

I will be reporting newer activity on this page: wikipedia/anglo-pyramidologist/new/


This study of the massive socking called “Anglo Pyramidologist” was originally on the meta wiki, the first study having been moved from wikiversity to avoid disruption, as the file User:Abd/LTA/Anglo Pyramidologist, but was deleted there for mysterious reasons, given that it was the source, the evidence, for a list of socks that was allowed by the same steward. That page was ported here from an archive of the meta page and I am removing all the chatty discussion of why I started the study, etc., the page before such stripping can be read at http://archive.is/iJ1SI

When hosted on meta,  I attempted to comply with WMF privacy policy, and some material was not disclosed there, that is disclosed here, where there is no such restriction. This user is the most disruptive and libelous I have ever seen, and does not deserve protection, and those who are protecting him (and there are some), are taking a side against decency, not to mention WMF neutrality policy.


  • MrRowser deserves a special honor being at this point the most recent identified AP sock to edit using his account. (Identified by the duck test.)  There are other new IP accounts listed.
 There are indications that AP is more than one person, twin brothers are often mentioned on other sites (Oliver D. Smith and Darryl L. Smith) and there may be a third brother or a sister (HealthyGirl?). Behavioral differences may be seen.
Recently (April 7 2018) Oliver D. Smith claimed he had been lying since 2011, that there is no brother, he made up the story to get unblocked. However, in many other places, Oliver Smith  claimed that most socking had been his brother, (example) and there are at least two apparent personalities (sets of interests) involved. (In fact, it’s clear there is a brother, but the issue would be who did all the socking, including impersonations and other major disruption…. He is really saying it was all him, and that his brother is “innocent.”)
Complicating matters is that, as Anglo Pyramidologist is known to impersonate enemies in order to bring down  the thunder on them, it is possible that he has also been impersonated. He has not complained about this, as far as I know, with specifics in any context where claims could be verified. It has not been investigated using checkuser or similar tools, to my knowledge. I am finding, for sure, strong signs that almost all of the activity is coming from one location in England, where IP can be identified (the user often uses open proxies, but not always).
This will be covered in the IP section.
On Wikipedia, though, all the accounts are classified as Anglo Pyramidologist, they don’t really care if it is one or two people, if they behaviorally match one of the tagged accounts, and/or are confirmed by checkuser (which can fail to distinguish between people using the same internet access).
I was banned by the WMF, reasons not explained, and will be pursuing recourse on that. What is known is that there were complaints, and the documentation of the AP socks figured prominently; Oliver Smith, in particular, published, on RationalWiki, the WMF response to his complaint. He was quite proud of it.


Inclusion of an account here is not a claim that identification is correct, only that it — or suspicion — can be documented in some way. If a claim is included that is not documented, correction is invited.
The recent activity has been through SPAs, which register and dive immediately into high conflict discussions, these are easily recognized. Most recently, open proxies and then mobile phone IP addresses have been used
You can delete this message if you like. Just to let you know I will not be further engaging you. It seems you live for this drama, I will not longer be involved. I will do my best behind the scenes via email to get admins to delete all your material.
He meant it, and he has done just that, but was lying when he said he would not be involved. He continued to create sock puppets — or to create disruption with open proxies and then mobile IP>
If you want to spend the rest of your life stalking someone that is up to you, but it is not healthy.
On his favorite web site, RationalWiki, that is called “concern trolling.” The sock master has obviously been stalking Ben Steigmann, then me, and many others.
I object to such a thing. I am done with this.
Excellent, but he just contradicted that with a threat of endless effort.

I would like to add though that AngloPyramidologist is innocent. If you want the debunker of parapsychology/or pseudoscience it is me.

This would be, I tentatively assume, Darryl Smith, whereas AP was Oliver Smith. I don’t really care. Both were disruptive and the checkuser evidence does not distinguish. There does appear to be crossover, i.e., some shared interests. If the original AP is inactive, good for him, but the other brother, then has also taken on some of his brother’s interests, because the original patterns still show up.

I have debated Ben in the past, he knows who I am, I have talked to him on Wikipedia in 2014. I have nothing against Ben personally, unfortunately he uses Wikipedia to promote his fringe beliefs, he promised in 2014 not to come back but his mistake was coming back in 2017.

Obsession with Ben Steigmann is an AP trait.

Take care. Btw I do object to the ‘troll’ allegations. I have written over 250 articles on Wikipedia. As to this very day 30/9/2017 I have four Wikipedia accounts and 12 others I occasionally use, the admins are only interested in banning vandals.

Most of the provocative posts this user made were trolling, poking, attempting to find some vulnerability that could be exploited. On Wikipedia, this user, perhaps hiding his true mission, would poke and provoke until a naive user explodes … and then he can get the person blocked for incivility. There is a trail of wreckage, if one were to look back.

If you are atheist, pro-skeptic like me and debunking fringe beliefs the admins love us.

If admins love this, they have lost the core of Wikipedia, NPOV, in favor of something they like personally. I could think of a couple who might, but most would recoil in horror, and the SPOV faction has lost every time the issue comes to serious community attention.

I can’t go wrong. I was even offered paid work from the owner of a skeptic group.

There are possible connections between AP, the faction mentioned, and a well-known “skeptic group,” but others are working on that aspect of this. I’m not, at this point. That is, I think this may be true, and I may know who that “owner” is. However, I also know that it is possible that some enemy of those people is pretending to be their friend, here.


I still create articles perhaps 12 or so a week. I have serious knowledge and I have improved the Wikipedia in skeptical related articles in relation to fringe beliefs.

I have found some recent activity, but I have not begun systematic study. Now, if this is true, why would he tell me? Indications are that this person is mid-twenties, and is obviously arrogant. He is likely unaware of all the ways that activity can be studied, that socks can be identified. He may imagine that certain defenses are impregnable. Truth, however, tends to out. If he stops attempting to disrupt Wikiversity, and to attack me, maybe I’ll never get to it. He’s been quiet for a day now. I’ve been warned that these people never give up, so we’ll see.

Your statement we are all vandals or doing illegal activity is false.

First of all, there may only be one of him. Secondly, impersonation with intention to defame is a crime almost everywhere.

This is common in his arguments, they misrepresent what has been said. It has not been claimed that the accounts or IPs are “all vandals or doing illegal activity.”

Take care and Good bye. My advise for you would be to give up. You are fighting a war you cannot win.

I’ve already won, thanks to reality. Survival is a game that we always lose, eventually, if that’s the game we play and the war we fight. However, at my age, every day that I’m still alive is a victory, and the mystery is how many more I have left to win.

You will never work out who I am or get rid of me from Wikipedia.

Leon. From a tower (talk) 01:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC) [this section has a link to the edit in the heading]

Relying on sources I consider reasonably reliable, I have some developed opinions as to personal identity, I’ve mentioned that. This would be AP/D, probably. It doesn’t matter. I’m unlikely to sue, because I have not been damaged. Some, however, might.

If Wikipedia is infested with him, that’s their problem, not mine. No critical interest of mine depends on Wikipedia at all. Nor, in fact, on Wikiversity or any WMF wiki. There are sincere people there, working for the goal of a user-created encyclopedia based on neutral presentation of what is in reliable sources, and that goal is damaged by those who work to selectively exclude some point of view or position, rather than channelling these into collaborative work. Wikiversity, not having limited space for specific topics, is not normally afflicted by factional wars, AP/D attempted to take such conflict there. He failed, because I recognized what had happened and addressed it.

(However, the last attack, by IP, including canvassing on Wikipedia, drawing in his faction, the one that he claims “loves him.” And something was indeed going on behind the scene, because admin response on Wikiversity (1) completely ignored the previous history and obvious personal attacks, and (2) served the AP agenda.  The effect of that is to demonstrate conclusively to me that Wikiversity is not safe, so, unless something drastically shifts, bye bye Wikiversity!

I will continue to document what has happened and is happening. I’m not dead yet.

 SPI investigation archive for Anglo Pyramidologist

roughly 190 socks on Wikipedia, plus IP
11 April 2011

15 June 2011

28 November 2011
13 December 2011
above confirmed mutual.
21 September 2011
27 September 2011
03 October 2011
03 October 2011, take 2
05 October 2011
IP check declined for privacy reasons. There was “other behavior” which the checkuser declined to disclose. I have a suspicion of off-wiki coordinated editing, and the checkuser may have detected actual sock accounts and left them alone. I may look more closely at this later. These are all Verizon wireless. So why doesn’t the account register, if they want to edit that much? Likely reason: they don’t want to be identified. Wikipedia went overboard in privacy protection. Privacy is important, but … sometimes there are higher values. I don’t know if that applies here, yet.
It appears that IPs were blocked. These IPs don’t look like AP, but … open proxies or something else.
02 November 2011
all confirmed. match to BookWorm44.
13 June 2012
claimed to be w:User:Earthisalive
Quack. Previously blocked as User:Earthisalive, now returning as User:The earth has a mind, First edit is to recreate European origin of modern humans as Out of Europe theory. Check user requested to check for sleepers. SummerPhD (talk) 23:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Follow-up. Mentions a series of articles deleted, that lead to RationalWiki articles and more possible socks there. AP has been claiming that he has created many Wikipedia articles and RationalWiki articles. Yes, he has. Often very disruptive articles, the cloaca of RationalWiki. See the tip of the iceberg in the RationalWiki/Anglo Pyramidologist study. 
29 September 2012

From a combination of the duck test (which I have not confirmed (but the account names!!!), I have not yet studied these account activities) and the checkuser confirmations, I suspect that AP may have been using some kind of open proxy then, though that also seems unlikely.

11 November 2012
24 December 2014